The beta provider problem

i don't get it?

This man in the picture made the woman he married happy, so of course he is a beta provider.

>the beta provider problem

It's pretty difficult, almost impossible without something like a white sharia/ old world family marriage contracts meme's unfortunately. The current meta for long term relationships in the west is species ending.

>80%men work hard getting them self's ready to be stable providers in there late 20's early 30'ds

> 80%women slerp/ride dick rack up debt till they hit the wall. Blowing off stable partners, going for bad boys, getting tossed away like used condoms till their late 20's crushing their fertility/ whatever pair bonding property's they posses. .

Most men, assuming they don't go MGTOW are pretty much forced into being beta providers. Most men are invisible till they are set in life, but by then most of the women he can chose from have become self centered hores, who are probably going to end up divorce raping him, and going into single motherhood life.

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Lol truth

It’s fine. IMO this is the natural order.
I am almost certain there will be a huge spike in age gap relationships in the future.
Every now and then, things imbalance.
Too many men, we go to war or have revolution.
Too many women, and high quality males stop being exclusive (there’s too many high quality single females to choose from), and the beta males get easy pickings on the low tier girls and sloppy seconds from the alpha males.
The overall male population becomes pretty domesticated and tame politically, the women become antsy over not being tied down in a relationship.
So after a few years the older women say “hey let’s change this, promote family again, stop promoting promiscuity” (see the sexual revolution in Russia for example).
After this point, the men their age wont give a shit but the younger men will take heed. Only they won’t go for the older women who were so desperate for it. They will go for girls younger than them. The 20 something girls will never change, they are disinterested in change and political thought, they’re self absorbed, their education and upbringing is the prime time to train them right.
So when the older desperate women teach the young girls to value relationships and honesty and long term loyalty and shit, they will see men their age, acting typically for the most part, and men older than them who have already internalized the same thing those girls are taught to look for.
Eventually, young men will follow that lead, when their own options for mates dwindle, and they get a little older and work out what they need to change to get what they want.
Slowly, the age gap average will close again.
To recap, desperate old women prep young girls to marry the men they though they’d be marrying, young men realize their women are being taken by the group right before them, and start to shape up for the most part.

I bullshit that whole thing but it sounds pretty legit eh

Before she married she was a single mother. So the OP checks out.

>tats

Women with tats look so fucking trashy

>Dating anyone a day older than your countries age of consent
They're still mostly thots, but every now and then you find a virgin, and if they pass your rapid shit-testing they might even grow up to be decent people.

Look at her fucking face
>I've ruined my appearances with these fucking tattoos, I've fucked enough guys to be legally considered a sperm bank, my parents haven't talked to me in 13 years, and this motherfucker's still gonna take care of me for the rest of my life, fucking hell why am I so perfect?

it makes sense. more single people also people with not as much money and not buying as much stuff. then there are people like me who dont plan ahead and go shopping like 3 times a week

you just intentionlay compared hugh heffner to a beta. news flash. every friday all house bunnies met in his room to bang, he took a viagra and fucked everyone not on their period then finished in his head girlfriends ass....into his 80s. theres a point you hit where giving hoes even hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars is for your convince. youd do well not to get confused again.

Good topic though. I do see them more and more.

>Make memes of beta providers
>portray men marrying women that have children as bad as possible
>do it for a long time

DESU being a provider for wife and kids is the most constructive way for most men to contribute to society.

Most men are betas. That's just the nature of things. According to Pareto's rule it should be about 80/20 beta/alpha rate. Not everyone can be a leader and frankly society would be absurd if every man was an alpha (all leaders?)

Since most men will just be chumps and we want a sustainable birthrate pretty much the only thing they have to attract women is that salary. And that's how it worked for most of history in monogamous christian societies: you were supposed to be just a "good man" who works and social pressure would prevent your semi-arrange married waifu from acting like a roastie. Most men were beta providers and christian culture supressed hypergamy instincts.

Now, of course, it's good to be an alpha.A man shoul aspire to cultivate alpha qualities in his life. But, let;s face it, the beta provoder married to a heavily policed woman slut shamed into not being a whore was the backbone of society.

We shouldn't hate on beta providers, they will always be the majority. If we want to have a functional society we need to encourage men to have self respect and aspire to be manly, of course, but also crack down on women being whores which makes beta providers look really bad.
Which will not happen propably and the West will die.

SAD

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>It’s fine. IMO this is the natural order.

Natural order doesn't fit well for civilization. Nature got the species this far, but huge changes are needed to make sure there are enough quality offspring to hit replacement rates, cause implosion. Country's like japan are kind of fucked right now, but the U.S is doing way way worse after adjusting for the bazilion's of migrants we get. (60/1000 women) are having children,according to the last yearly report i read, the number is probably way lower among the native population.

>am almost certain there will be a huge spike in age gap relationships in the future.

One of the thing's i mentioned, old world marriage contracts where young girls 16-18 are sold under the table to 20 somethings who don't want used hores who have had like 30+ dicks leading to something like a 60-70% divorce rate, causing their children to get financial death sentences

>see the sexual revolution in Russia
>To recap, desperate old women prep young girls to marry the men they though they’d be marrying
(most of the story's i hear are actually the opposite lol, they just keep pushing """""female empowerment""""") though there are some that are turning.

DESU i think the rest of the west is too cucked socially and legally to take steps to change things in a positive direction. Women and the state enjoy having power to crush mens balls, and use them as tool's. If anything it's going in a more negative direction (see mouse utopia project) women seem to want to ignore the problem, rail road men, and forgo having children all together and settle for mass abortion and fur babys . I think we'll have do something like they did in Rome and have state forced monogamy/early marriage. ORRRRR just toss all that shit aside and wait for sex bots/AI/artificial wombs come on line in 15-20 years.

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>how do we stop the cuck cart
by offering baskets, so even families can go in and buy just small things if they forgot, not having to haul some cart.

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I think you're getting the concepts of being an average wageslave joe working something he hates in order to provide for his family and the kind of beta fag that would marry an used up slut with children already mixed up.

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user there are only two ways. One, White Sharia is mandate globally. Two, we all revert to hunter gather societies.

Sex robots will replace motherhood and family the same way porn, vr and fleshlights replaced sex.
Incels not welcome. Take your pathetic larp somewhere else.

>contributing to bunch of mouthbreathing retards
Why would you do that?

I don't like the idea of sex robots but honestly if they won't be used up whores and can trick my dick into believing they are real idc. I really want a medieval style patriarchy (not with the feudalism just the dad giving away his kids for marriage). I don't think we will ever see that again tho.

Don't date single moms.

>Before she married she was a single mother.
How do you know?

>I've fucked enough guys to be legally considered a sperm bank,
Source?
>my parents haven't talked to me in 13 years,
source?
>and this motherfucker's still gonna take care of me for the rest of my life,
How do you know she doesn't have her own job?

>theres a point you hit where giving hoes even hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars is for your convince. youd do well not to get confused again.
Sorry, but how is that different than being a beta provider?

double standards

there are no beta and alpha in nature, nature is more complex, humans act according to their instincs and commands from brain
for example king is alpha when he is surrounded by his servants, but pirate can kill him in one to one combat if king is without servants (and his servants). thats why in terms of nature king is beta, because he is weak (and inherited wealth from his 3rd ancestor, which was alpha etc).

"peasants" in the past had society like you described but their life expectancy was 45-50 years (excluding child mortality), they believed in lords and kings shit untill ww1 and they were not able to know the truth due to low level of development of communications

today few people will want used whores, some will take them for period of time. but such system will be unstable, because brains of all people work similar way and nature programmed all people similar (from the worst nigger to Einstein). brain can evaluate your abilities by default and chose best strategy to get goals that you do not even know about yet, then you will have wishes and will to act (because system was created by nature), you can create fake reality for brain to trick it (like commies and religion do), but old used whore is such a trigger that even 10 walls of fake cant cover it. look thats why solution that you propose will lead only to wars and revolutions.

reducing marriage to "use" is all the same. People don't know what love means. They love the idea of a person more than any actual person. Men who marry young Thais, gold diggers, beta providers, it's all the same degenerate shit.

Story time?

Look at this incel wanting a free gf lmao Bootstraps, loser!

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I'm not really as worried about myself as I am about my future children. I don't want my sons to have to marry whores, and I don't want my daughters used like sex dolls.

Goddamn you are illiterate.

>how is that different than being a beta provider?

beta only gets to fuck when she says so

>tfw dating a 9/10, 17 year old virgin with insecurity issues who constantly looks to me for validation and whose parents love me.

I think I may be on to something here lads.

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I cringe every time when some greasy neckbeard who is on this board during working hours uses the words "beta" and "alpha" and "hard working" unironically. AND as some kind of hidden knowledge only accessible to his self-important pea brain.

I wonder why I ever saw anything in you guys than the perfect mirror image of antifa.

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LEGALIZE PROSTITUTION

then beta males can get sex from prostitutes

Prostitutes don't care if you're not handsome or if you're short or overweight.

You're pretty small minded if you think everyone has a 9-5 job.

>2018 western world
>dating
You still trying hard to pretend you scored? What does it all mean? You wasting your time, sure money too, but mostly time. The bitch fucked many guys and probably you won't be her last. Fapping is much better than dating. Goddamn she's ugly, those tattoos. Fucking a goat would be more civilized.

A world war, where these weak fucks used to be the first to get killed.

everyone can't be alpha and this is better than the roastie running the streets neglecting her welfare baby.

I never had sex or kiss.

but poo in loo
and pee in tea

Makes sense. The average Jow Forumstard is too self centered larping as a Chad SS member as mom cooks them tendies

most of you people aren't alphas and if you didn't have a high school sweetheart that you married you are probably going to have to settle for something less than ideal if you don't want to grow old childless and alone. Sorry fellas.

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Can't believe I wasted my time reading half that babble you leaf cunt

Prostitutes don't care if you have been divorced three times or six times or if you have children by several ex-wives or ex-girlfriends.

Sexbots/sexdolls

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You live a sad, sad life don't you.

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>Sorry, but how is that different than being a beta provider?
Betas actually work hard to provide for ungrateful bitches and also have to bow down to their every whim because the woman knows he wants her more than she wants him and even the legal system is on her side.

I was fucking a single mum for a year. Best sex I've ever had, clit piercing and squirted everywhere. Wanted to suck my cock at every opportunity and even rim me.
She also wanted me to look after her child.
Had my 12 months of fun then moved the fuck on.

kiss goodbye to your sanity

>Not being able to spell definitely

Not the way to go anymore. My high school sweetheart ripped my heart out and now I'm here.

same
said she regretted leaving me about a year after
fuck her though, she should live with her shitty decision

I think MGTOW's are stupid but I've given up on women. I'm not "going my own way" because I'm not so bitter and pathetic that I can't admit to myself that I'm just not good enough. MGTOWs are incel and burned betas. I'm beta and weak and broke and no woman will ever want me. I had an awesome gf but she left like they always do and is now dating some tattooed, motorbike riding, mountain climbing extroverted dude. I simply can't compete, men never can.

I've given up. Fuck MGTOWs, at least admit to yourselves you are incel losers and don't pretend its a choice. If I liked Asians I'd fuck off to Thailand but as it turns out, I'm not attracted to those women at all. Its a shame that white women became so conceited and given so much power. But at the same time, the natural order also stands and I accept that I am genetic sewage.

>Cuck cart

my fucking sides

Emotions are for women and faggots. Go chop some firewood, Mary.

lol boo fucking hoo, that's a good thing, you should try other girls.

Nah I'm fine now. Made me look for truth in life.

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>Walk into neighborhood grocery store
>Go to grab my usual small cart
>Remember Jow Forums cuck cart thread
>Laugh to myself
>A lady sees me laughing at the shopping carts
>Pulls her daughter by the arm out of the store
Fucking Jow Forums

it really is infuriating when you see a big white man cuck himself out by pushing one of those effete little things.

I laugh about it too, but these carts are so much more practical. I shop for my family just fine using them, since we go pretty regularly to the store so we have fresh food.
I understand using the big original carts if you live 30+ minutes from the grocery store, but mine is 5 minutes away. The real cucks are people using the big carts only because they get 5 cases of soda on every trip.

I had a high school sweetheart, but then I left her cause I was bored honestly. I used to make her cry when I was on drugs, idk why. I think i've always hated women because my mother left me when I was a child.

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If you limit your sexual activity to prostitutes and girlfriends and don't get married, you won't marry a young, thin, pretty woman when you're young and find yourself married to an old, fat, no longer pretty woman when you're old. When you're 60 you'll be able to enjoy the company of prostitutes who are as young and pretty as the women you were having sex with when you were 25.

you answered your question in the title

Of course the cuck cart user finds justification for his cuck cart.

Same as a cuck car driver that drives something like a smart.

Self-assured men don't care what strangers think of them.

this faggot probably carries a purse too because they're so "practical"

This faggot probably stuffs his trousers with tube socks full of tennis balls because it's so "practical"

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Does a middle school sweetheart count?

>not displaying dominance and showing off your gains by carrying around a basket filled to the brim with chicken breasts and milk to the point that it begins to warp the plastic
I thought Jow Forums was supposed to be fit

>happiness in life comes from optimizing the attractiveness of your sexual partners

Never going to make it

>To recap, desperate old women prep young girls to marry the men they though they’d be marrying

Once things get bad enough they will turn around and go the other direction.

t.trust me I know these things

>tfw there's no baskets anymore at the grocery and you are forced to cuck yourself
Sometimes I grab the big cart fill it up with random shit and a few things of what I need go to the front and just return everything I don't want so I'm not a fucking cuck. That's what they get for not having baskets anymore.

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>other girls
you mean whores, fatties and thots?
no thanks

If you know your gains, you'd be holding that basket not top-down by the handle, but by the brim.

Dude! I thought I was the only one! Chest out, arms perfectly curled, walking with a purpose, Basket filled with steak, eggs, avacados, and leafy greens. Then at check out, find the lane with the cutest grill and set the basket in front of her with authority.

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the solution is to emigrate to societies where the women aren't thots.

There's two problems with this mindset. Firstly, you could improve yourself over the course of a few years and become cool enough to pull and keep a woman if you really put the effort in. But, secondly, you SHOULD improve yourself to the point where that would happen, but then don't fucking talk to women because they are trash. Inseminate some bitch with good genetics and then poison her and raise the child yourself. The uncorrupted woman no longer exists and it is imperative that we do all we can to make up for her absence, or, at the very least, take advantage of the jewing of society for personal gain by fucking tons of slutty single mothers who are super good at sucking cock and then abandoning them.

The most alpha man of the end of the 19th century is beta.... god damn the fags on here really do make me want a massive genocide.

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>shitskins role-playing as wypipo talking about being pussies
you guys are hilarious every tim

Its called projecting.
Pretty sure he's right about the first and third one though. Maybe even the second.

Unlike many if not most wives and even many girlfriends, prostitutes will have sex with you whenever you want - and not just when she happens to be in the mood.

That girls gonna break your heart user

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I'm in my 30s, its too late for me. I've had a lifetime of being a nobody. I'll never be rich, I have no skills or people skills. I hate work to be honest, I am very low in Conscientiousness as Peterstein would say.

I see women with guys and they are either chads or neurotypical normie guys with generic looks. I am actually tall and well dressed and not a sperg. But I am shy and introverted as fuck and basically ugly as fuck too. Its ogre

Hah I remember that thread. Good thread

Only if you were also in middle school, Chester

this is the truest statement ive heard here

With prostitutes, you won't go crazy from jealousy, either, since you never expected her to be faithful to you in the first place, and the other men in her life aren't going to make her unavailable to you, or make you look bad because you have an unfaithful wife or girlfriend, or cause you to raise a child who isn't yours, or pay child support for a child she had with some other man but claims is yours, or wait for the results of expensive DNA paternity testing needed to prove it isn't your child. (DNA paternity testing has proved that about one in ten children have a different biological father than the man the mother says is the father, including many married women.)