It's been a long time coming - several prominent figures in the movement are distancing themselves from Spencer (TRS, Ryan Faulk, Millennial Woes).
I hope that this is a sign of better things to come for White Nationalism - I don't hate the guy or anything but he ceased to be doing us any good quite a while ago.
> I don't hate the guy or anything
What is wrong with you, where have you been for the last year+?
> he ceased to be doing us any good quite a while ago
He's been actively harmful for a while now and is awful in every way.
He was partially responsible for bringing me onside, and I can't deny he is at least somewhat brave to put his face and name to such heretical ideas.
I, however, am not a normie, and the way he communicates is pretty awful for reaching them
Alt Hype is now a literal civic nationalist who is okay with BASED REPUBLICAN blacks and hispanics immigrating to his retarded separatist state that would get crushed in armed conflict.
Richard Spencer has more of the right idea (unapologetic fascism and national glory) but he goes overboard by legitimizing leftist myths.
Nick Fuentes is unironically the best speaker in the "alt-right" currently.
only thing spencer is good for is conehead edits
Yeah I don't know why Faulk is suddenly so blackpilled, his explanation for this was pretty weak (normie conservatives are redpilled on race but haven't become WN yet so he now thinks it won't happen). I can imagine he'll retract on much of that and is just exasperated with Spencer - who I think he is pretty much right about.
Fuentes is a pompous little shit.
Ryan believes in democracy or bottom-up revolution where 51% of people need to become WN for it to work or something. I thought he made a video about democracy being stupid, so I have no idea where the regression came from.
Spencer and Fuentes understand that the masses are just NPCs and all that really matters is seizing power. That's why whatever "movement" there is should focus on
>intellectual content (books, articles)
>propaganda
>dominating online spaces
in order to reach people in power, not convince 51% of normies. Along with running "our guy" candidates who stay implicit but push the envelope further and further towards WN and fascism.
I completely agree, which is why I get annoyed with blackpillers who think we literally need to vote WN parties in with parliamentary majorities etc.
Spencer is kind of useless though and Ryan is right about that. We need as to get Average Joe on board, and Spencer thinks no one gives a fuck about data (patently untrue) and that talking about space exploration and retaking Constantinople is going to work. He's far to closely associated with "that neo-Nazi guy who was involved in a girl getting killed by a car". and he just isn't a particularly likable person, to boot.
I agree with most of that, but making 100 videos about why the heritability of IQ is 0.8 is pointless -- we all already know black people are kinda dumb. When I was a shitlib, I knew blacks "struggled" in part because that's the way they were born, but I felt bad for them. It was the white guilt and hyper-empathy that made me support gibs and get offended on their behalf. Spencer takes a hammer to that in an emotional way, which is more powerful than data. The whole "fuck you, we should be proud of being better" thing. However, killing oppression narratives with data-based revisionism IS also important when it comes to killing white guilt.
I think most people probably have an inkling that the races are quite profoundly different at a fundamental level, yes. But most people have absolutely no idea that science backs this up, so they push it to the back of their minds and/or (as I did) allow themselves to believe the wishy washy, vague environmental arguments.
Giving people in our camp the ammunition and confidence to argue that is a great thing, and Spencer seems to think it should be ignored.
Plus, who exactly is Spencer trying to appeal to when he says "Hail Trump hail victory", "blacks benefit from white supremacy", "I'm proud of slavery" etc on MSM?
People on Jow Forums know what he means and that he isn't being literal, but why say stuff like that which is only going to make normies believe that the alt-right are just basic bitch neo-Nazi shitkickers?
for the people who want a source on Spencer fucking Conte's gf, how about you guys give us a source of at least one alt-rightist openly stating that it's bullshit.
Well, he did get one part right in the video where he was talking about media gaslighting about how the "alt-right" is dead, because we stopped having retard rallies. Yeah, he was pretty much spot on about that. He said that Spencer was leading his people into enemy territory in their strongest point in the middle of a known killzone and made fun of the media as to how thinking us stop doing that means that we're "dead". In reality, these retard rallies are exactly what the media wants us to do, and Spencer is driving away all the good people so that the only people left remaining are spergs anyway. Whereas people who are serious in wanting to take back America into the hands of WASPs are getting shunned while media darlings like Spencer get all the credit. He didn't come off as too blackpilled (at least to me), but he did bring up a lot of interesting things.
The alt-right is dead because the goyim know, plain and simple.
>At least I have my stats...
He really is a faggot.
Spencer was and is just a self-centered egomaniac. After he's done screwing the few women who hang around the alt-right and doing the e-celeb thing he'll just transition into far right zionist propaganda. That's all his bizzaro-world Muslim / Turk hate is all about, just re-positioning for a writing / zionist rag editor career.
That's not to saw that MW, TRS, etc and so on aren't just e-celebs -- they are -- but among that filth Spencer is pretty low.
>muh numbers
He thinks plotting trends makes him Ms. Cleo. Concentrated autism
>might as well give up cuz didn't Muh ethnostate right now, mom!
Pathetically black pilled. The JQ broke him and now h's and immediate crypto jew. How the fuck does that even happen?
>Dicky didn't talk to me, better cry about it for half an hour
No one cares. Leave it to a fag to act like a drama queen and air some dirty laundry on a guy already covered in shit. Pointless. Anyone left giving a shit what this man has to say about anything at this point needs their head examined.
He said in the comment section that this video by Sean Last is what convince to stop being a WN. Sean Last and Mrherriq did this to him back when he was an ancap too.
youtube.com
>Be Richard Spencer
>Attend Unite the Right
>See entire white advocacy movement wiped out based on the Myth of Heather Heyer
>Try to fight back and persist
>Return to Charlottesville for flash mobs
>Give college lectures in the face of screaming shitlib activists
>Colleges begin using Talmudic legalese to make public speeches nearly impossible
>Have exasperated attorneys get doxxed and forced to resign
>All the while, homosexuals in the AltRight like Greg Johnson and AltHype join forces w/ Weev to mock you and anybody who shows face in public
>Andrew Anglin turns his formerly massive site into Jow ForumsTheDonald
>Still try to persist
>Eventually, one partner is disgraced as a fraud
>Another partner is arrested at a college rally
>After 6 months, admit defeat
>Denounce public activism
>Tell everybody in the AltRight that the streets belong to #Antifa
>Watch as AltLite BTFOs Antifa
>Smolder as you see your movement devolve into inane infighting about uniforms, "optics", "Wignats", "Long March Through Institutions"
>Still, demand everybody concede streets to activism
>Then have the faggots still bitch at you after Jason Kessler heroically stands alone at UniteTheRight2
>Realize that trying to appease OpticsCucks is as pointless as trying to appease shitlibs.
KEKING ALWAYS FAILS
>JQ broke him
He made what were essentially holocaust denial videos years ago so I doubt that
Spencer is a pre-diabetic former fratboy. He's an eternal adolescent.
>AltLite BTFOs Antifa
delusional trumpniggers
Mike Enoch said that he's friends with Spencer on The Daily Shoah, but that was several weeks ago. Are you sure these public figures are distancing themselves from Spencer? Well, Conte is, but I haven't seen any of the others bring this up.
>he is at least somewhat brave to put his face and name to such heretical ideas.
Rich kids can afford to do that.
>for the people who want a source on Spencer fucking Conte's gf, how about you guys give us a source of at least one alt-rightist openly stating that it's bullshit.
Right. If it was bullshit, Conte would have come out and addressed it. People are asking him to confirm this on his Twitter feed. He hasn't responded. Take that for what you will.
>these retard rallies are exactly what the media wants us to do
Look at what happened to 3 of the guys from last year at Charlottesville. One guy got 10 years another guy got 8 years and I think one of them got 7 years in prison. And none of these guys come from rich families like Spencer. They can't afford to be sued for the rest of their lives, not to mention that they run the risk of spending years in prison for simply defending themselves from violent ANTIFA. The last thing I would do is go to one of Spencer's rallies.
I just came here to say how much I love Ryan's content. He's going through interesting changes over the years, I was surprised to find he was an outright anarchist like 6 years ago.
TRS and Woes like him on a personal level and won't go nuclear on him like AltHyp did
RYAN JUST DELETED HIS VIDEO!!!!
>RYAN JUST DELETED HIS VIDEO!!!!
Contacted by Richard Spencer's legal counsel?
I don't know, it is strange.
I tend to agree with now that this has happened, he probably decided he's not a white nationalist in the heat of the moment because he's annoyed with Spencer
backlash for cucking and become a civnat.
I think Fuentes cucks a little bit much for my liking, although I do like Fuentes.
I've told him too all day. BTFO'd his sperg ass in the last 2 threads. Press G to Gas.
Fuck all these cucks, if they give an inch on the JQ they might aswell fade away
Why did he delete the video?
>Alt Hype is now a literal civic nationalist
No, he's not.
He wants some shit like Japan.
Nonwhites can visit but can never be citizens.
>unapologetic fascism and national glory
cringe
>Nick Fuentes
Isn't he some leftist faggot?
>Why did he delete the video?
My guess is that Spencer threatened him with legal action.
>spencer fucked gregs gf
history really repeats itself
who would have guessed that Vox Gay was right and Spencer is just a modern version of David "I like cucking fellow whites" Duke
>I think Fuentes cucks a little bit much for my liking, although I do like Fuentes.
I'm surprised how well spoken Fuentes and Lauren Southern are for being so young. Some people just have the gift of the gab and high verbal intelligence. Still Fuentes is a cocksucker for how he treated Patrick Little.
>David "I like cucking fellow whites" Duke
Has Duke fucked his friend's girlfriends?
He was always just tolerated, he forced himself in the right and no one batted an eye.
that's at least what Tom Metzger is saying about Duke. But it's kind of ancient history already.
With something as polarizing to normies as huwaite nationslism rallying under any centralized (((organization))) or (((leader))) is retarded.
Civic nationalists like Trump, Gavin McInnes and Southern have done more for pro-white causes than all alt-kike LARPers like Spencer, Heimbach, Duke and Kike Enoch combined, who set us back.
Alt hype is right though, other races being inferior is a symptom, if other races evole in the same way whites did they'd be equal
Spencer is a twat who dreams about being a leader, he's just playing a game and he doesn't give a shit about the facts
idk, but I was thankfully able to watch all of it before it got taken down. He made a very very strong case, and takedown. It was so well done that I am actually somewhat ashamed that I used to identify specifically with the Alt Right, rather than broader white nationalism or identitarianism.
Here's the old link in case he makes the vid available again.
youtube.com
The first part of the video was him pointing out the worsening odds of an ethnostate, and stating that pan-Europeanism would be a failed strategy. Smaller, sub-nations, and strong sub-ethnic identities seem to work better - like Hungary, Poland, Italy, etc... Most of the far right there are ethnic and racial nationalists, but they only care about their specific subgroup. I am still hopeful that pan-European brotherhood can prevail alongside the preservation of individual European cultures.
The second part is a near hour-long takedown of Richard Spencer's antics. It was fucking beautiful.
I watched 5 mins of this on my phone at work.
I just got off work and I was pissed it was taken down because the vid is over an hour long.
Thankfully, I can still watch the vid in the youtube app on my phone because I left it on that vid.
Maybe he feels like it damages the movement?
He shouldn't care, we only care about reality
Hell ye, boi. Serendipity at work.
>Spencer takes a hammer to that in an emotional way, which is more powerful than data.
I was grasping at straws holding onto my "it's about culture not race" belief system. One piece of evidence was this study of half black children born in Germany after WW2 away from black culture. Another was an adoption study. Alt Hype nuked every straw I was holding onto.
Spencer I found not persuasive at all, not even in the slightest (with the exception of him stumping that rabbi one time about if he would want "radical inclusion" in Israel). However what happened to his mom and how the press covered it made me think "way to make the white supremacist look right", and really got my noggin joggin.
My point is both messages are very useful.
>The second part is a near hour-long takedown of Richard Spencer's antics. It was fucking beautiful.
Yeah, it was really good. The last part that included the footage of Spencer in his apartment and telling the interviewer that he is the "best" and "rightful leader", etc. was cringe worthy. Spencer is such a narcissist. And all of those guys sitting with him in his living room have now abandoned Spencer. Conte was the last to walk out. They're all gone now.
Should I record the video somehow so I can upload it to youtube?
>I just got off work and I was pissed it was taken down because the vid is over an hour long.
Try to search for the title on Bitchute or YouTube, someone might have archived it or mirrored it. It's worth a listen.
I've got a copy of it that I downloaded. I didn't think he'd take it down. That's really weird. How can I make it accessible? I have no accounts or social media or anything.
really? THIS is the video that blackpilled alt hype?
>there are small differences in criminal behavior between white ethnicities
surprise
>some whites went back
what about all the whites who stayed? it sounds like the majority of them did. obviously white immigration still worked for a LONG time and if it worked once then it can work again.
>whites didn't assimilate because their economic class didn't change when they immigrated
the fact that your economic class doesn't change when you immigrate is evidence of the naivety of the belief that it would, and nothing else. didn't alt hype make a video showing the unemployment rates of germans, the irish, and italians were all pretty comparable? he used this as evidence of the fact that interethnic discrimination among whites is overblown today, i.e. whites never treated the irish like literal niggers (like leftists today would like to have you believe) by denying them employment, the right to immigrate, the ability to live with the whites, etc.
>some whites were democrats!
surprise, there's still a left wing and a right wing in the ethnostate. if there's really any immutable difference in voting proclivities among white ethnicities that is so drastic it must be addressed then white immigrants could just be screened in a way that keeps the parties balanced, so neither party can try to import their voter base again.
this is the reason a lot of people find spencer tolerable and even like him. sure he's a little edgy with the far off future philosophy but he never gets basic shit like this screwed up. in fact he's pretty grounded when it comes to operating a political entity in a practical way. he's autistic but not sargon or nu-ryan-tier autistic.
just make a random youtube account and upload it and send us the link, it's easy
I agree with this meme wholeheartedly.
I still identify as white nationalist and I think there is a benefit, or at least a niche to service, when it comes to overtly championing white values.
>The issue is Spencer being a fucking buffoon. >The issue is (((Weev))) and (((Anglin))) being fools.
>The issue is Heimbach being inbred white trash.
>The issue is Patrick Little stomping on the Israeli flag.
>The issue is cringey Chris Cantwell crying like a bitch.
>The issue is retard rallies.
We're going to win this culture war on image and marketing. We're going to use healthy, debt-free virgins without tattoos (to borrow a phrase from our Mormon friends) as a lure for the sexual drive. We're going to provide purpose and sacrifice and hope.
We win by acting like Jared Taylor, The Golden One, and to a lesser extent the likes of Lauren Southern. We present a strong, polite, educated, rich lifestyle, and we become attractive.
Meanwhile we meme and mock socialists, liberals, and centrists into eternal FUD. We make sure they are known as the obese, depressed, and self-hating marxists they are.
So put on your suit and tie. Build that business. Start a family. Workout, groom, and eat healthy.
Give it a go. Always good to have backups of everything.
Ryan is a little spergy but his ideas make more sense and are much more reasonable and workable than spencers.
Really disappointing. Don't understand how you can flip like this.
Spencer overdosed on Nietzsche.
He wants to rule over non-Whites, making him a literal White supremacists.
THIS NEEDS TO BE POINTED OUT:
If you are a White separatist, you by definition can not be a supremacist.
When people call themselves White nationalists, it's unclear whether they secretly want separation or supremacy, which the liberal media can spin as they want. Why give them the possibility to do so?
Also, how can you have an ETHNOSTATE and White supremacy? It makes no sense, but Spencer says BOTH.
Bitchute? And then upload it. Save it to Dropbox, if you have that. If I see a video I like on YouTube, I download it usually because I know it's probably going to be removed by YouTube. I have some extension in Google Chrome that let's me download video / audio from YouTube. It's Ummy Video Downloader.
Sorry, it's "Save From Net" that is the extension in Chrome to download from YouTube. I recommend it.
Spencer is such a faggot holy shit.
fuck off dude. civic nationalism is establishment politics and contentedness in letting the country and its white demographics slip away. neocon figures on the right only care about keeping their power (money) and right now there is no money in being *seriously* openly pro-white.
like it or not but the alt-right AS the "internet right" created an entirely new intellectual space for current politics to operate in. THAT'S our hope for a way out, NOT civic cuck faggots like trump who do NOTHING for us but slow down the descent. people like him are ANTI-white. gavin mcinnes is anti-white.
>muh western ideals at least I still have the constitution
inb4 neo-nazi.
I'm Italian, descended from fascists and nobility. My family immigrated here during the years of lead. I have undying loyalty to the Anglo for taking us in, and to my adoptive mother Canada. Not a single member of my family cooperated with the mafia when given the choice, my cousin is an RCMP chief. Not a single member of my family has gone on welfare, in fact we have threatened to disown people if they attempted to do something so shameful.
The worst I've done is experiment with psychedelic drugs a la Joe Rogan style, and jay walk like 5 times in my life.
t. retarded children
you will not be allowed to win retards. our only chance was a full-blown nuclear hail mary red pill. you can't slime your way to victory. the power structure sees right through you
Boy, sure took long enough!
>RCMP chief
"Chief"?
right, you guys assimilated and can assimilate. this is something that's literally impossible for blacks for example because we can tell each other apart, we know we're different, and we'll adopt conflicting strategies to fight for resources. like ryan has said, we've had blacks for hundreds of years and nothing has changed.
Is there a quicky anonymous thing I can use, I don't have e-mail or dummy accounts to use. not interestedin making fake accounts shit. Just need a quick and dirty way to get this out there.
RCMP = Royal Canadian Mounted Police = "Mounties"
Chief = "executive superintendent"
Oh there it is. never mind then. Thanks user.
spencer and your kind will NEVER get enough people together to take over the country or make your own ethnostate
our ideas actually have legs
yours are autism
BTW, does anyone here happen to know, or at least have an educated guess as to WHY the original video was taken offline?
>BTW, does anyone here happen to know, or at least have an educated guess as to WHY the original video was taken offline?
Threats from Spencer's lawyer?
Nice.
You're so fucking stupid. You will have to make so many concessions and compromises that by the time you get to the top, you will be basically a complete bitch under their control. But by all means, go ahead and give it 50 years, see where it gets you.
They don't actually ride horses ... nor wear that red uniform ... outside of ceremonial events. Kinda kills the maple syrup aesthetic.
I've listened to Ryan since like 2010. He's a sperg and deletes or makes his videos hidden when he gets embarrassed by them or changes his views.
You should have seen some of his old ancap videos, they made me an ancap. They were great.
Then his WN videos made me a WN.
He's extremely intelligent and rly maeks u think.
If it's less than 100mbs, mixtape.moe
>You will have to make so many concessions and compromises
not really
it doesn't matter though because your autist fantasies will NEVER happen
whites will never vote for fascism
whites WILL vote for a peaceful white ethnostate
>We're going to win this culture war on image and marketing. We're going to use healthy, debt-free virgins without tattoos (to borrow a phrase from our Mormon friends) as a lure for the sexual drive.
Ironically early Spencer was like that before he started going full retard, even the leftist kike media gave him favorable coverage because of it.
No, but Alt Hype's big issue with pan-Europeanism are things such as:
>the Hajnal line,
>or individualism-vs-collectivism index (which, I believe my people - Italians - and Russians are the most collectivist European sub-races, with American whites being the most individualist)
>upward mobility myths about 19th century European migration
To an extent, he is right. We should not endeavour for Spencer's idiotic, homogenous 1-white-race continent. But I think Alt Hype is too focused on these small differences, when the bigger picture is the difference between any European and a non-European (which is much more catastrophic).
In the end, I hope Alt Hype can at least strategically view pan-Europeanism AND balkanization as a two-prong approach strategy for white/European nationalism's niches.
You must have assumed I meant that since my Italian family could integrate, that meant we should invite non-whites. I would never insinuate that, as that only leads to catastrophe.
you have the worldview of a child
t. delusional fascist preteen that actually thinks his ideas are workable
lol nobody cares
>like it or not but the alt-right AS the "internet right" created an entirely new intellectual space for current politics to operate in.
Yeah, a thing WE built. Then all those LARPers, clowns and retards squandered it all and gave the far-left a tangible target to attack, ridicule and rally against.
where do you draw the line in terms of compromise? no need to adhom me. just answer honestly and you might learn something
>bitchute.com
thanks user, it's on althypes account
SOMEONE SHOULD SAVE THIS BECAUSE HE MIGHT DELETE THIS ONE TOO
Pretty much. They just had to feel special compared to their classmates and coworkers. IRL internet is 90% of the time cancer
>where do you draw the line in terms of compromise?
I at least want a white ethnostate where all parties are required to support white nationalism
Running a party that doesn't would mean you need to be removed from the country
I at least want this
>RYAN JUST DELETED HIS VIDEO!!!!
More like Spencer got pissed and claimed a copyright to get a strike on The Alternative Hypothesis' channel and have the video pulled pending the dispute. The video is still On Ryan's channel on Bitchute: bitchute.com
nigga what? so you're a WN? that's literally what spencer advocates for
Pan-european empires are not nationalism. Everyone in this thread is a bluepilled white globalist.
Just since this is a thread with people of fine tastes (or attention spans that can actually last longer than the 10:01 minutes that Skeptics and Pewdiepie need for the Youtube algorithm to recommend them), can we recommend any other long-form race / gender realist channels like Alt Hype?
Stuff that's heavy on statistics, facts, and dry argumentation?
I personally like the following fact-heavy channels:
>Alt Hype (to start out)
>Colttaine (despite his fallacies when trying to rationalize his findings on race and IQ)
>Stardusk/Thinking Ape (especially his video on Asian vs Western social dynamics, "A Genetic Aetiology Of Cultural Collectivism" youtube.com
>Truediltom (pure philosophical debate)
And to a lesser extent James Allsup, Millennial Woes, Mouthy Buddha, Corporeal Fantasy, Graaaaagh, Coterie...
LOL no spencer wants a monarchy
I want a white ethnostate republic where we actually have freedom.