"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
>government-owned healthcare industry decides who lives and dies
"This is fine."
Maxime Bernier (Mad Max) and his supporters/enablers are cancer.
>privately-owned dairy industry uses contracts to self-manage themselves
Kevin Martin
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Alexander Thompson
1. The dairy industry uses the government to raise prices of competing markets. This is corporatism.
2. He wants to reduce federal taxation, allowing the provinces who have jurisdiction over their own health care anyway, to create the tax revenue for their health care systems.
3. In his province of Quebec, there is a public AND a private health care system because the supreme court ruled that the public health care system was so slow and inefficient that forcing someone to use it was a violation of human rights.
Alexander Martin
>corporatism
Anyone can invest in Supply Managed production.
>wants to reduce federal tax, but keep single payer healthcare
Great- he's simply passing the buck onto the provinces.
>Quebec has some private healthcare
The issue is the amount of tax money spent on monopolized (state run/owned) healthcare services.
Landon Cruz
>Anyone can invest in Supply Managed production
It's still protectionist bullshit that is one of the major sticking points in the trade spat with the US. If Trudeau tries to keep it throughout the NAFTA negotiations, even our great grandchildren will feel the sting.
>Great- he's simply passing the buck onto the provinces.
The provinces use the federal government as a scapegoat all the time when it comes to health care (among other things). "Oh, our wait times are awful because the Fed has our hands tied!", etc. When Stephen Harper was in office, certain provinces had a fit because he simply gave them the funding they were due under the current system and didn't tell them how to spend it. This was especially hilarious in the case of Quebec, as they posture themselves as wanting more independence from the political whims of the rest of Canada.
>The issue is the amount of tax money spent on monopolized (state run/owned) healthcare services.
I have very few good things to say about Quebec's public health care system. A few years ago, the health care watchdog wrote a report, as was his job, regarding the efficiency of various hospitals throughout the province. He compiled the metrics, noted which hospitals performed the best, studied what they did differently and suggested that the other hospitals emulate their success. The provincial government, in response, completely defunded the watchdog position (killing the entire position) and then did nothing to improve health care in the province.
So no. It's not a question how much money goes into the system. You could triple the money and things wouldn't improve significantly. It's about how it's run. It's also not about a monopoly because there's a privatized system.
Oliver Lewis
>protectionism alienates us, keeps prices out of sync with market
I agree.
>Bernier moving healthcare from Feds to Provinces will raise accountibility
While I support the concept, I don't believe it will work...there are always excuses why X province has extra costs.
>funding private healthcare more
Once this is known, expect healthcare unions to shit on him. They have numbers....and reach.
Chase Robinson
>funding private healthcare more
That would be 100% up to each province.
The point is that if it's provincial jurisdiction, having the fed involved is unnecessary involvement and only leads to scapegoating and lower efficiency, as more money gets skimmed off the top for government paper-pushers.
Joshua Williams
OOF.
Brody Perry
>eliminating scapegoat
Not if the provinces found a way to justify their higher costs.
Nathaniel Brooks
Anyone who supports the federal government in canada is cancer
Nicholas Lee
Then their constituents can raise hell.
Camden Garcia
BLAZE IT SUPER GOD
Matthew Lewis
At least change up the photos, shill.
Connor Morales
>Then their constituents can raise hell.
What I'm saying is that I find it unlikely that the provinces would not petition the feds for funding in other areas- after having spent more on healthcare.
Privatize it all imo.
Alexander Mitchell
Cross that bridge when we get to it. If you agree at least in principle with what I'm saying, then can you admit that this is a logical first step in improving the overall effectiveness of provincial health care systems?
Bernier gets all the digits, bruv.
Joseph Kelly
To be fair healthcare was ALWAYS provincially run
Try going to the hospital outside your province. It's not an easy streamlined process and technically you have to pay "out of pocket" but at this point there are agreements between all provinces so they can pay for serious care needs while out of province but if any province wanted to be a dick and tear up these agreements people from out of province would have to pay and their residents would have to pay in other provinces or carry some kind of private travel medical insurance plan
Canadian health care is a lie. We really have 10 completely separate healthcare systems (1 for each province) in fact there used to be a time when only some provinces had adopted universal health care and others hadn't and theoretically a province could repeal it but it would be politically unpopular
Hudson Hill
>Try going to the hospital outside your province.
Honestly, sometimes you're better off doing so. Unless you're brought in on a stretcher, it is usually faster to drive from Montreal to Ottawa than to wait in one of Montreal's hospitals.
Asher Allen
BCers and Albertans pay more in federal taxes than BC and Alberta get back in federal spending
If all federal taxes were eliminated and we funded absolutely everything we needed ourselves we would still have lower taxes than we have now
Asher Anderson
Forgot to add that you'd have to pay a fee (50 bucks IIRC) for the paperwork, though.
Christian Morgan
And you'd have even more incentive to develop your own resources.
Quebec is sitting on a fuckton of natural resources, INCLUDING OIL.
Jace Scott
True.
If the West separated Quebec would become White Haiti.
Thomas King
CPC shills are out in full force this morning.
Sorry but we're not voting for your cucked party.
Juan Moore
Ya that's an example of different systems right there it just so happens you have close and free access to a better system than your provinces
Now if Ontario went "we have too many people from Quebec here so were going to cancel our health cost reciprocity with them" you'd pay out of pocket
It's also easier between some provinces than others. Between Ontario and Quebec is easy BC and Alberta agreement really only easily covers serious issues and people who frequently travel between for work etc will often get some kind of private medical travel plan or their company will because it's less hassle than filling out all the forms etc to get interprovincial paying for minor non life threatening stuff
Luis Jenkins
>be me
>a true patriot
>conservative to the core
>called a corporatist by libertarians
>and a nazi by liberals
>vote PC for good governance
Thomas Sanchez
There's a fuck ton of Haitians in Quebec supposedly. They can get in easily because of some Quebec French language immigration program
I have no idea why Quebec gets to have its own immigration program but other provinces don't
Carson Lee
>the supreme court ruled that the public health care system was so slow and inefficient that forcing someone to use it was a violation of human rights.
Holy shit socialists BTFO
Joseph Phillips
Ontario just sends the fee over to Quebec. The only loser in the situation is Quebec, since they can't charge taxes on the doctors/nurses/etc in the hospital you would have used if you didn't go to Ottawa for it. Quebec would have to make the move (and to be honest, I wouldn't put it past them). That being said, I live in Ontario now, anyway. Couillard peut sucer mes couilles.
They're all in Montreal and they cause a hell of a ruckus. It doesn't help that you can't even understand what they're saying. Look at a typical French sentence and then imagine removing all the R's in it. Even if they didn't cut every corner imaginable, it'd still be unintelligible.
Let's say they want to ask how much something costs.
Normally, you'd say
>Ça coûte combien?
They'll literally say "How much the money?"
>Combien l'argent
But because they can't say the letter R, it comes out
>Combien l'agent
Which means "How much the agent?"
The guy who set up the system in the first place called it an abject failure. It would be more hilarious if it didn't cause untold suffering.
Steven Crowder did a great video on it if you're interested.
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