en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Mermelstein >In 1980, the Institute for Historical Review (IHR) promised a $50,000 reward to anyone who could prove that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz.
>Mermelstein wrote a letter to the editors of the LA Times and others including The Jerusalem Post. The Institute for Historical Review wrote back, offering him $50,000 for proof that Jews were, in fact, gassed in the gas chambers at Auschwitz. Mermelstein, in turn, submitted a notarized account of his internment at Auschwitz and how he witnessed Nazi guards ushering his mother and two sisters and others towards (as he learned later) gas chamber number five.[citation needed]
>The IHR refused to pay the reward, stating that Mermelstein's notarized account was "not sufficient proof". Represented by public interest attorney William John Cox, Mermelstein subsequently sued the IHR
Notice how the photograph on the cover of the book that Mermelstein wrote shows that forged evidence is what proves the Holocaust happened.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_exposure >In photography and cinematography, multiple exposure is a technique in which the camera shutter is opened more than once to expose the film multiple times, usually to different images. The resulting image contains the subsequent image/s superimposed over the original. The technique is sometimes used as an artistic visual effect and can be used to create ghostly images or to add people and objects to a scene that were not originally there. It is frequently used in photographic hoaxes.
archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2010/november/holocaust_110910 >Driven by crooked Claims Conference employees, former employees and other conspirators would recruit people—some unwitting—who weren’t eligible for the program (mostly individuals of the Jewish faith in the Russian immigrant community) to take part in the fraud. >To make it appear that applicants were eligible, identification documents were often altered (for example, a birth date was changed to make it appear that applicants were born during or before World War II) and fake Nazi persecution stories were often made up.
avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/03-21-46.asp >SIR DAVID MAXWELL-FYFE: You did not know to what degree, but you knew there was a policy that aimed at the extermination of the Jews?
>Goering: No, a policy of emigration, not liquidation of the Jews.
Say what you will about him, patrick little offered 20k I think to anyone who could prove it as well, didn’t see that Australian shill or anyone else getting their sweet pay check though, must be there’s no concrete evidence huh
Jaxson Bailey
youtube.com/watch?v=1oEd0fRsq1U >Zyklon B consists of pellets that the Germans allegedly dropped through holes into the ceiling >Fred Scheifler says Zyklon B was pumped through showerheads
You're being disingenuous. Literally after he says "Judenevakuirung" he says "die Ausrottung des jüdischen Volkes" which roughly translates to "the destruction of the Jewish folk"
Also, completely eating every single word that Goering says. How do you not know he's lying to try to protect himself?
Owen Smith
If you begin a sentence with Jew evacuation and later on talk about the destruction of a entire people then it becomes a figurative expression. Why talk about evacuatiin at all if you want to exterminate people?
>Why talk about evacuatiin at all if you want to exterminate people?
Probably because it was a touchy subject to unitiated SS officers. He says in the paragraph before it "I also want to mention a very difficult subject before you here, completely openly. It should be discussed amongst us, and yet, nevertheless, we will never speak about it in public." He was definitely trying to be secretive.
Also, how do you explain the "it's our moral right to kill those who want to kill us" line?
Isaiah Bailey
take a look at that, you earn yourself some money: someone is waiting to be sued: www.nafcash.com "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE $100,000.00"
Elijah Hall
$140,000. One hundred thousand in prize money. Forty thousand in irreparable damages.
I wonder if the IHR had anything to say after that lawsuit.
Isaiah Gray
>a touchy subject >a secret meeting enclosed exclusively for the SS >they "secretly" talk about evacuating Jews
All high military decisions are secret, no matter the nature, you moron. Even today everything is secret at military level.
>All high military decisions are secret, no matter the nature, you moron.
Fair enough. Now what about the "we have the moral right to kill them before they kill us" part?
Daniel Allen
People that refuse to be deported.. If they try to kill you, you kill them first.
penguinrandomhouse.com/books/209254/rise-and-kill-first-by-ronen-bergman/9781400069712/ >The Talmud says: “If someone comes to kill you, rise up and kill him first.” This instinct to take every measure, even the most aggressive, to defend the Jewish people is hardwired into Israel’s DNA. From the very beginning of its statehood in 1948, protecting the nation from harm has been the responsibility of its intelligence community and armed services, and there is one weapon in their vast arsenal that they have relied upon to thwart the most serious threats: Targeted assassinations have been used countless times, on enemies large and small, sometimes in response to attacks against the Israeli people and sometimes preemptively.
>People that refuse to be deported.. If they try to kill you, you kill them first. Nope. In literally the same sentence where he mentions "Judenevakuirung" Himmler says "It is one of those things that is easily said. "The Jewish people is being exterminated," every Party member will tell you, "perfectly clear, it's part of our plans, we're eliminating the Jews, exterminating them, ha!" I literally can't make this up. Hers the link to the transcript of the speech. I'd suggest you read it before you make you make a laughingstock of yourself.
Also, isn't the mossad just the Jewish fbi? How is the book incriminating towards the Jewish people or Israel? That's literally what intelligence eagencies are supposed to do. Kill people and propagate seven levels of conspiracies. Y'know? Secret spy shit.
You're not even going to try to refute my previous post, m8?
Connor Scott
um... why was this still an issue, in Octobre 1943? Were at that time not 4 of the 6 big extermination camps already closed? Why close the camps if they are not done?
Jaxson Morales
What point? Himmler talks about evacuation of the Jews and the destruction and extermination is figurative expressions of the end result: all Jews are removed from Europe and elsewhere.
The holocaust never happened but I wish it did and I hope it will happen again.
Adam Perez
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thies_Christophersen >Christophersen, a private in the Wehrmacht, was deployed as a "special leader" by the Waffen-SS during World War II >The widely known phrase "Auschwitz lie" (German Auschwitzlüge) can be traced to Christophersen,[8] whose 1973 book of that name disputed the existence of gas chambers at the Auschwitz concentration camp
>Why close the camps if they are not done? Probably because they were all captured by Soviet forces. Im not sure if by the time of this speech if Treblinka has fallen or not. I know it gets captured on October 1943 the same month the speech was made. But this is still a major issue because a delusional Hitler at this point still believed that he was going to win WW2 and complete the final solution. He probably held this notion even until the bombardment of berlin.
>What point? Himmler talks about evacuation of the Jews and the destruction and extermination is figurative expressions Except you haven't even proven that yet. All you've done is squabbled over semantics, which I have disproved using quotes from the speech, and that at one point you bring this random verse from the talmud?
I'm still "winning" the argument. If winning matters.
Asher Morris
What is the sauce on this quote?
Gavin Gonzalez
>Except you haven't even proven that yet. All you've done is squabbled over semantics, which I have disproved using quotes
The fact that he uses the term "Judenevakuierung" is proof that a so called secret plan to exterminate Jews everywhere doesn't exist. You don't talk about secret evacuations because there is nothing malevolently sinister about deporting people by force. Had it been a secret plan to actually murder all Jews then this secret transcript wouldn't contain a reference to jew evacuation.
Treblinka was not liberated, it was just closed in Summer 1943. It takes 2 minutes to check that ...
Thomas Cooper
Memorandum handed to Hitler by Himmler on 25 May 1940, in Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals Under Control Council Law No. 10. Vol. 13: United States of America v. Ernst von Weizsaecker, et al. (Case 11: 'Ministries Case'). US Government Printing Office, District of Columbia: 1952. pp. 147-150.
>You don't talk about secret evacuations because there is nothing malevolently sinister about deporting people by force This goy... So you're telling me if you're own government handed you an eviction notice to leave your country and you can't liquidate any of your assets, real estate, businesses, you just have to leave immediately. Would you peacefully comply to that because it's not "malevolent"?
Get real!
Isaac Hughes
>liberated I didn't say "liberated" . Takes five seconds to check this.
Your whole idea of evil in this context is inhuman extermination of people without remorse. If you want to secretly kill off everyone then why talk about evacuation? Your whole argument is naught.
Fun fact: an army of well funded, well organized jew shills patrol the internet in effort to shut down any counter-jew discussion and to promote the globalist jew agenda.
mintpressnews.com/israels-online-shadow-operations/238666/ archive.is/sMsxH >Israel’s Online Shadow Operations >Numerous well funded, organized projects by and for Israel work to flood social media with pro-Israel propaganda, while blocking facts Israel dislikes. The projects utilize Israeli soldiers, students, American teens and others, and range from infiltrating Wikipedia to influencing YouTube. Some operate out of Jewish Community Centers in the U.S.
> If you want to secretly kill off everyone then why talk about evacuation? Because it's a euphamism. This argument could easily be turned against you. If Himmler wanted to talk about evacuation why does he use idiosyncratic words like "umbringen" and "ausrottung". It muddies up the tone of the speech! Also, why would he talk about "lying bodies" or call Jews "bacillus".
lol how do you walk explain that all that verbiage is in reference to evacuation and not extermination?
Jacob King
Why even split hairs over one sentence. As if the whole whole thing hinges on one translated sentence. There's pretty much zero evidence. It either din't happen or it didn't, pick one.
Honestly the idea that there was a plan to exterminate all Jews is just plain retarded.
Cooper Wright
Im not sure what to make of the quote. All himmler is talking about is about trying to assimilate eastern Europeans through schooling. Interesting quote, but what was the point of it?
Brayden Kelly
Good thread. Bump.
Ayden Stewart
so in your opinion everything happend as alleged in the official version ... there is nothing wrong or hard to explain with it?
Luke Morris
>so in your opinion everything happend as alleged in the official version
If by "official version" you mean "official narrative", then the answer is yes. Everything from extermination camps to six million. It's all been verified.
We just don't believe in holocoasters. That argument gets brought up a lot for some reason.
Jason Harris
>Everything from extermination camps to six million. It's all been verified.
>> "no gas chambers for the killing of any prisoners existed in the camp"
>>" There is no effective way of dealing with this anti-German propaganda. It is considered unproductive to make any attempt at refutation of the growing legends because the world-wide Jewish community is now supporting and exploiting the Soviet propaganda and are obviously utilizing it for their own ends."
It is noteworthy that there is no hint in Himmler's memorandum of any intention or plan to physically exterminate, ie kill en masse, any part of the population of German-occupied Poland, not even of the Jews.
In fact, Himmler positively rejects physical extermination of a people as "Bolshevist" and "un-German".
Since Hitler approved Himmler's memorandum as "very good and correct", it is apparent that he also rejected physical extermination as a means of dealing with alien peoples.
Obviously, as of May 1940, there was no German extermination plan or intention, not even in regard to the Jews.
Himmler also seems to debunk the idea of a German plan to exterminate the Poles ("Generalplan Ost"), a claim for which there is still no document proving the claim.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jankiel_Wiernik >When Wiernik's profession as a carpenter was accepted, he was put to work constructing various camp structures including additional gas chambers.
zchor.org/treblink/wiernik.htm >The new construction job between Camp No. 1 and Camp No. 2, on which I had been working, was completed in a very short time. It turned out that we were building ten additional gas chambers, more spacious than the old ones, 7 by 7 meters or about 50 square meters. As many as 1,000 to 1,200 persons could be crowded into one gas chamber.
>1200 people >7 x 7 metres (49 square metres) >24 people per square metre
Apparently, basic mathematics is something that Jewish-Polish carpenters lack when building anything.
Does anyone have the picture where there's no evidence/document for Generalplan Ost?
Jace Ortiz
>so the outdoor mass cremation works, as it was described by the witnesses? 3000 bodies with 50cm firewood under it? The thing about eye witness accounts is that you have to take them with a grain of salt. I don't expect any of those jews to be informed on how cremation works, and why would they? They're known for being bankers. Of course, that isn't to say that eye witness accounts isn't also proof for the holocaust either. Especially if there's a gaggle of jews and soviets all simultaneously talking about extermination camps, makes it very damning against the nazis. The details were subject to debate in the 40s and 50s but the one consensus among all eye witness accounts whether it be allied or axis was that there were camps and that the nazis had this ideal called the "final solution" that they tried to implement by using these camps.
>They're known for being bankers. Maybe German Jews, but many allegedly killed in the Holocaust were poor working-class Polish/Russian Jews with little formal education.
Well, keep in mind, its a memorandum. If your plan was to gas jews, then of course you don't mention those kind of things in public. Plus, it was well known that the german people were very uninformed about the details about the holocaust because the german people are not animals, they probably would've revolted against hitler. Why do you think all the extermination camps were all placed outside of present day germany or the Posen speeches was said in a private room or the sassen tapes recorded among acquaintances?
>The thing about eye witness accounts is that you have to take them with a grain of salt Wasn't eyewitness testimony the main focus of the nuremberg trials?
you keep posting this like pasta but whats the point about the photo it's two different pictures of the same building a few moments apart as no one is in the same position and one image is crappy
Michael Johnson
>literally noone denies that >No one denies that nazi's were twisted enough to deport jews to camps. Just not extermination camps? Labor camps are ok, but gas camps on the other hand... now that seems like a fantasy
Fuck off.
Thomas Martin
Then enlighten us ... how does one burn thousands of bodies outdoors in the middle of winter, taken out of mass graves that are way to small to hold the alleged number of bodies?
if ALL eye witnesses are wrong we need some ... "revisionism"? But that is ok as long it fits the pre-ordained number of dead!
>Then enlighten us ... how does one burn thousands of bodies outdoors in the middle of winter, taken out of mass graves that are way to small to hold the alleged number of bodies?
Completely missed my argument. The details of the eye witness are subject to debate for the most part. It's the general consensus that there were extermination camps that's damning. No amount of shitty infographs or logistics analysis is going to disprove this. If you haven't eaten in several days and your too jaded from operating furnaces of course not every detail that you say is going to have credibility.
Nathan Hall
>Notice how the photograph on the cover of the book that Mermelstein wrote shows that forged evidence is what proves the Holocaust happened.
excpt it isn't forged. the photo was taken with a slow shutter speed and short flash - common practice atthe time. so there is a little shaowing. it is not a doubel exposure. this has been explaiend to this OP several times but he still posts his nonsense.
the picture was published witht eh man in place before it was edited )to be less shocking to children) by the new York times magazine. it si that version that is tampered with.
but even if it was a doubel exposure - a double exposure of what? the real bunks, int eh real camp, with the real prisoners in them. adn a real man, fom the same camp, standing beside them. what is the forgery ehre? what is the untruth? the bunks, the camp the man, the emaciation, the lack of balnkets of matresses, the overcrowding the starvation the horror of it all are real. nothing deceptive is being suggested.
it is insane to keep posting this non argument, about a picture that is authenticated.
Every country in every single war ever put their war prisoners in labor camps. Imagine being this dense LOL
Jace Lopez
Elie Weisel is apparently in that photo
Robert Adams
yeah and there are deniers on here who do not know what it is either. your point?
the jew though zyklon b was the name of the gas - a lot of deniers think the same (many also think it is a dleousing power for human beings, or a treatment for typhus for human beings - ignorance is rife.)
so what? he meant the gas from the zyklon b. big fucking deal.
Joseph Howard
Nuremberg was a Jewish stage trial. Convicting military men for following orders is bs. Even the American and British generals saw this as illegal. Military doctrine around the world is universal on this : follow your commanding officers orders. If you don’t you get court-martialed.
Gavin Walker
Oy vey! It was just a little exaggeration, goy! We really were killed by the millions you stupid fucking goys! Believe me! I wouldn't tell a lie! G-ds chosen never lie! Why don't you stupid fucking goys believe me, I mean Jesus boiling in a pot of excrement Christ goy!
William Martin
>zyklon-b ridden nuclear atomic extermination camps of mass destruction with anthrax dispensing capabilities. Get it right, goy.
Kevin Baker
He heard a rumour about Zyklon B pumped through showerheads and he kept spreading this hearsay rumour. No need to be upset, Ephraim.
by that time they had killed all the Polish Jews, and the hungarian ones. they didn't need the capacity to kill two to three million a year anymore (there were only about three million left in europe..)
>He heard a rumour about Zyklon B pumped through showerheads and he kept spreading this hearsay rumour. No need to be upset, Ephraim. lol those happened as well. You should know. Himmler admitted to it.
Wyatt Anderson
>the photo was taken with a slow shutter speed and short flash That's now how such artifacts work. The only thing distorted on the picture is his fake arm leaning against the wooden pillar, lol. You don't get a partial vertical artificat from slow shutter speed and short flash.
But I thought that was a major reason for international support of isreal concurring palistinian land? That would mean the jews were lying this whole time for their own benefit and completely tricked western nations
Austin Bell
So how exactly is he supposed to be leaning against that pillar? The pillar is about 95% perpendicular to the photographer, yet the guy is supposed to be leaning sideways onto the pillar while simultaneously being in front of it?
The picture just doesn't make any fucking sense, just ignoring the fact that he's OBVIOUSLY cut and pasted on front of the pillar, lol.
Julian Lee
There's forensic evidence for it. Do you want to get slapped again?
Brandon Cook
who said there was only fifty cm of firewood under the pyres?
you know they were soaked in petrol/benzene/gasoline? and used old motor oil? that they had wood stacked among the bodies? see pic for the way they did it in Dresden - the guards from treblinka came to help them clear up the bodies with the technique they perfected at Treblinka
these pyres were commonly used to dispose of bodies - if an eyewitness or hearsay third party witness didn't get the technical details exactly right, so what? are you going to deny they worked at Dresden?
The hungarian jews were killed in 1943? Not really, most "historians" would claim that they were killed in summer 1944, or at least that was when they were deported
Thomas Ramirez
So you can prove that you can pump tiny granulates through showerheads? I doubt it.
Yes it's totally believable that oil-starved Germany would waste tons of fuel on burning corpses, just as believable as using diesel exhaust from captured Soviet tank engines to mass murder Jews, or digging up every mass grave they could to also cremate the remains during a retreat, even when Allied reconnaissance saw no evidence of major ground disturbances (such as tire treads, etc) flying over Babi Yar around the alleged cremation
This is all that is left of over a thousand bodies on a pyre, lit and left as the SS retreated. had they stayed to throw the unburned bits that fell out of the fire back into the centre, there would be a lot less left. throw on some more bodies as fuel when it is up to high heat adn they will burn without needing much further wood or coke added. Meat burns, fat burns, get a big enough fire going and it works really well.
That's not the accepted story. They dropped Zyklon B through holes in the roof, not through showerheads. Unless of course you're saying Hillberg, Arad, Yad Vashem, and every major holocaust historian is wrong
The Holocaust story changed in the 90's and they removed the shower head stories. Instead they had pellet holes in the roofs where they poured down the Zyklon B through the roof, even though the underground rooms doubled as air raid shelters, rofl.
Fred Scheifler said they pumped Zyklon B through showerheads. The Germans never connected any fan to a water pipe system inside the camps. Are you playing dumb or are you for real?
They used a lens to try and focus back 24 or 30 feet (three lengths of bunks) and it makes the man pop out a bit from the pillar. If you were old enough to watch movie with the effects filmed in the camera and not cgi you would have seen this in horror and noir films
He's probably mistaking the it for the delousing process, where a machine opened a can of Zyklon B and pumped it through hot air for disinfecting clothes.
Cooper Thomas
If you wanted to kill millions of people extremely fast and extremely cheap, you just don't feed or water them. Ie: Exactly what the Jewish NKVD did to the Ukrainians.
The Holocaust didn't happen because the Germans clearly would have known it's vastly cheaper and quicker to kill millions through starvation and dehydration than with Zyklon, ovens, machine guns, and gas trucks.
