Be farmer in 1800s

>believes inerrant propaganda he learned in school

They used herbs and actual remedies to solve issues. They knew very well over 2000 years what worked and what didn't work. Only thing you heard about was the leeches though I reckon.

Foolish feeble minded, historically ignorant peasant. Technology won't save you from hell.

>one of my daughters gets smallpox and dies

Thing is -despite your sentiment being largely correct, "progress" in the end, was a good thing. There sere so many more ills that were remedied by the industrial and technological revolutions -the cost is outweighed by the benefits.

This withstanding -all is not lost. You can have your homestead...and your internet...and your dirtbike...and your smallpox vaccine...and...and...and...and...

Smallpox was cured on a dairy farm.

...fine -polio...

way to avoid the overall point, fagot.

Technology is garbage. Kill it with fire. We should all be living off the land and tending to our own communities.

Always the fucking jews

A fine solution indeed.

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Lol, you are delusional faggot, my grand dad was born in Ukrainian village, he had 9 brothers and sisters, 5 of which died before they were 5 years old. He almost died himself when he was 7. You don't know shit about how common spread child death was until the modern time.

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This

That's nature faggot, Survival of the fittest.

This lad is BOILING

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compared to the alternative...

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This. No wonder people where so ignorant

For almost all of human history dying of old age has been the exception not the norm.

Think about that you primitivist retards.

No, moron, that's a lack of basic medicine. Most of the shit that kids were dying from is now cured by taking antibiotics.

Forgot to chance proxies you dumb shill.

I grew up in a little town south of the Kentucky border... things were simple. You tended the farm, raised the herd... and if anyone gave you shit? Son, you beat the fucker down. You were a man. And under that hot alabama sun you learned the values of christ, america, and manhood- the missisipi trio as my pop called it... may god bless his soul...

That point isn't in your favor. Dying of old age is a horrible way to go.

>lack of basic medicine

A consequence of the dark ages. Not a consequence of lacking the industrial revolution.

>protip: ancient greeks that werent discarded at birth would eat better, look better, and live better than us.

>muh afraid of death atheism is showing

Enjoy walking about as a ragged old senile fuck you dumb commie

La creatura...

Oh look, an obvious jew. Anyone supporting the industrial revolution is a retard.

Where’s the rest of the pasta

this is false. low life expectancy was because of high infant mortality rates. people were much healthier before than now

Plows are technology. Tills are technology. Doors are technology. Enjoy "living off the land" without technology

Lol, go live in Liberia, faggot. I'm sure that your attitude will be more than welcome there.

The computer you are using right now is the product of the industrial revolution and so is the housing you’re currently in, go and live in a fucking shed if you hate technological advancement

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>people were healthier
>people dying at birth
Pick one

This argument only works on normies because they won't say "Liberia is shit because it's full of niggers".

You fucks have saturated it so badly it's literally impossible to get away from it. If I could make the choice to go back to the days of faithful women, good children, and friendly neighbors I would, but you fucked kt up for all of us. If you're too stupid to understand this read the OP again.

Unironically go live with the Amish

You assume I wont.

I think you might be what they call “ratartart”

Dude -wtf! You can have the lifestyle you want...Buy a piece of land, build it into a homestead, raise a family -its not that hard...

Sounds like your problem is that you are an "I cant"...

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You're delusional and a confirmed shill or underage faggot. I can't even begin to name the ways in which you sre completely and utterly wrong.

>he says from his heated house on his computer, sat in a room lit by electricity

>>tending 5 of my children’s graves
yet the population was still growing
>>enlist as cannon fodder so I don’t starve knowing I will likely lose a limb
How many people were starving in the 1800s?
>>go to church every Sunday or get flogged
how many people were getting flogged for not going to church in the 1800s
>>as the night grows near we retire for fear of highwaymen
you seem to think we are living in the middle ages
>>winter rolls around and my wife dies and I lose my toes to frostbite
you get a new younger one

>he lives like literally everyone in the 21st century

BTFO HOW WILL HE RECOVER?

How can he possibly criticize the broken system when he still uses it because he's forced to? B-B-BTFO

I'm glad Britstain is turning into a muslim shithole. You fags deserve it.

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But please tell me how you are unable to afford an acre or two of land?

Please tell me how you are unable to put a few raised beds, chickens and goats on it and live off of that?

Please tell me how you are unable to find a woman to start a family with?

Please explain yourself -you cant be this dumb.

Boy I'm glad I gave this up for videogames and trap porn

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The fuck is this idealistic BS?

You really think farmers in the 1800's, before electricity, refrigeration, antibiotics, the combustion engine, modern crops or access to any information had life better?

The nerve of this faggot...

You wouldn't even be able to greentext that romanticized LARP if it weren't for that industrial revolution, you fuckin faggot.

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>How many people were starving in the 1800s?
Literally one of the main reasons people emigrated to america was famines.

Also there were even more incels back in the day, those who did not own land were unable to marry and get kids, this was true for both women and men.

Takes more than an acre for self sustaining land buddy. Now factor in property taxes, roads, needing a blacksmith (or participating in the system), finding a good christian woman willing to live off the land (lol), having a local general store to buy goods, having a strong christian community to maintain focus, gmos, where my children will find spouses, or whether they'll even remain, the list goes on.

You are a child who has absolutely no clue how the real world works. If you did you'd understand why there is so many of us dreaming of better days on here rather than living them.

You know what kind of technology hes talking about. Technology that requires electricity and electronic components. Were not talking about anarco-primitivism here.

Lol no. Name any major famine that wasn't directly caused by humans faggot. Go on, I'm waiting.

Also :
>what is religious persecution

>i wouldnt be able to use modern technology if I didnt have modern technology.
Well no fucking shit. Got any more news chief?

If you knew about history at all you'd know very well that I'm right.

>Lol no. Name any major famine that wasn't directly caused by humans faggot. Go on, I'm waiting.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

>plague doctor meme
This is how I know you are fuck-tarded

>finding a good christian woman willing to live off the land

There are plenty of good girls out there
I agree with the rest though

youtube.com/watch?v=mJgDfUIoyNE

>Dying of smallpox is due to progress
Are you fucking retarded?

What about amish people? They seem to be doing just fine.

I fail to see any issues here. Survival of the fittest nigger. Without your precious technology there would be no nigger/arab/chink invasion as nature would be allowed to naturally kill them off.

Meanwhile the same shit you're bitching about is the same thing you fags claim made whites the superior race.

Get a grip faggot.

>amish people exist so you're obviously wrong

We're not talking about Amish you strawmanning faggot.

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Luddite! There are apps for people like you.

Your'e the one going on about survival of the fittest while surrounded by the fruits of development.

>Meanwhile the same shit you're bitching about is the same thing you fags claim made whites the superior race.
Progress is what makes whites the superior race not living like niggers because of muh traditions.

Seriously just go out into the world and live like you preach. But instead you are going to sit here and complain how its someone elses fault.

Why are you insulting me you american swine

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>implying it isnt someone elses fault

By your logic anyone who ever died died because of me.

>unlisted video

Is that you in the video? Newsflash girl, God doesn't exist.

>You are a child who has absolutely no clue how the real world works.

HA!

I literally do all of this -bud...

>Takes more than an acre for self sustaining land buddy.

Not if youre smart.

> property taxes, roads,

Dont buy in an expensive area.

>needing a blacksmith

Do it yourself. Most farmers were their own blacksmith back in the day not to mention they were their own woodworker, carpenter, butcher, brewer, breadmaker, etc.

>finding a good christian woman willing to live off the land

Well, certainly not the easiest thing in this day and age, but definately doable. A lot of women dig the homestead thing. My recommendation is to build it first, then find the gal; build it and they will come...

>You serious? What is a hardware store...

> having a strong christian community to maintain focus

Not impossible -social media could be used to locate like minds. But also, not necessary.

>gmos

Buy Heirloom seeds and grow in a greenhouse or 5. I grow in a couple of greenhouses that are cut off from the outside air (filtration) to prevent possible contamination. Also, its really only a problem in agriculture areas. Much less of a problem in rural non agriculture areas, which is where youre going to find the majority of small acreage plots.

>where my children will find spouses, or whether they'll even remain

That was always a problem. You cant control that. Get over it.

Overall, youve got a whole lot of reasons why you cant -blinding you to the many ways that you can.

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No by my logic you are responsible for your own destiny. Something you refuse to see.

Ive personally been looking at buying land and really its not very expensive at all. You are just making excuses for your own failures.

But...Amish people existing...disproves your kvetching...

I cant confirmed.

Because hes emotional. DOesent like it when you so easily dispel his feelings on the topic.

I can tell you dont read much from those times. Thats an extremely idealised view of it that simply ignores a lot of the real struggles and tragedies that were rife in those times. Likewise it just pretends that only luddites had problems with it.

Im guessing you are feeling that post highschool pre mid twenties alienation pretty hard

>i want this lifestyle
>you know you can live this lifestyle, just need to move
>FUCK YOU

Great. Now all we need is the money to construct the house and tools for the farm.

Got $50,000 laying around?

Give me examples faggot

Boy, have you ever Even farmed? Let me tell you something. I'm surrounded, right at this very moment, by cows on three sides asshole.. Three different cardinal directions, I can walk outside, and see a cow.
There are relatives of mine, that were mowing hay. Today. To-day. I can see the field, bud.
My grandparents farmed. Both sides. My great grandparents farmed.

Do you know what I do? I work in a factory as skilled labor, making a middle class income. My parents do the same, only they didn't have to certify or have any degrees.
Do you know why I work in a factory?

Because Farming Fuckin' Sucks!!! It's hard work for relatively shit pay. YOU go farm, you whiny nigger. Have you ever even put out a garden for your own food, or is this just some nigger 'burb-ite larp? Do you even have a lawn? Do you know what are trees?

>t. no actual knowledge of early modern history

I grew up farming nigger. Also had animals too. Stop projecting.

Then why the Fuck are you bitching???

You really, legit believe that people chose industry over subsistence farming, because it's so bad. You're looking a red there, Steinbeck.

No I don't believe that at all fag.

Also, just lmao if you think sitting in a combine and moving hay bales is worse than a factory job.

>be me American farmer in the frontier
>get shot and scalped by Indians,

Your a retard. You can't just join an Amish community. Even then being born into an urban idustrialized world means you lack the skills you'd learn over your entire childhood to be self-sufficient. Your argument is so reductionalist and absurd. You're either a kike or a moron. Either way kys.

>life of combat
>a bad thing
Fucking onions.

Round or square? Plenty of factory jobs easier than putting up square bales. Though I'll grant, it's not entirely that bad.

>Got $50,000 laying around?

>"I cant!"
>"I cant!"
>"I cant!"
and
>"I cant!"

Doesnt cost nearly that much dude. Id estimate it cost me like 3k and some change -not including the land of course.

You really need to start figuring out how you "can" do these things -google is your friend.

>Give me examples faggot
-Still quite low medical technology, hence there is a decent chance of your wife dying in childbirth not to mention a lot of treatable conditions are vastly more painful and simply untreatable/deadly.
-Labouring methods and techniques that age a person quite harshly and very very poor OHS if you get injured there is extreemly limited redress and a heavy burden on the family.
-Knowing that if you dont have a male heir you will literally loose all your property
-Having to stop daughters or forcing particular marragies due to dowry concerns
-Having to contend with food and supply shortages and having your income dependent on the weather.
-Having an extreemly ineffective justice system with very little avenues of redress from abuses by the wealthy.
-Extreemly predatory lending practices that would due to weather concerns would often cheat people out their land entirely for problems beyond their control.
-The big chance of you simply being a landless day labourer
-The fact that should you have sons all buyt one of them will be much poorer and not be able to enjoy your life.
-rampant illiteracy and alcoholism
-A daughter or son eloping or fornicating and destroying every once of prestige and respect you had in your town.
-having to deal with petty corruption.
-having to deal with a wife who may well only be staying with you because of being pressured into a premature marraige and resenting you for it.
-rather terrible contraception which means when combined with the deadlyness of pregnancy vastly less sex.
-Awful sanitation and literal shit everywhere
-no cheap sources of heating or cooling
and these are just off the top of my head

>youre a retard

When was it suggested by me or anyone, to join the amish community...?

I and

was simply pointing out that the lifestyle -promoted by OP, is clearly obtainable.

Maybe next time you read and comprehend what is being said before you clench your vagina inside out and vomit stupidity and vitriol all over the thread...

Now go clean out your gaping, yeast infection wrecked pussy, ya cunt and let the men speak.

>3k

I want to live in a house not a metal shack. You're definately an underage faggot who has a doubtful dad, so you think convincing me to act on childish persuasions to be a victory for your fragile mindset. Get off this board kid.

>if
>if
>if
>if
>if

Am I talking to Obama? The only legit concern you mention is abuse by nobles.
>implying the nobles didnt need farmers to gather food btw

The rest is mostly fearmongering hogwash. Also, 70% of all people in the past were farmers, the chance of my son being a (((labourer))) are very low. If anything he'd be a craftsman.

Oops -forgot the house. My mistake. Guess I assumed you you were going to stick to the context of the discussion -that being farming.

That land and buildings cost money...should have been a forgone conclusion.

So, to be specific it was the tools and raw materials from which to make them that I was referring to as costing 3k.

TLDR -houses arent free...

Also,

>You're definately an underage faggot

Says the guy who relies on insults, instead of arguments...

Keep crying faggot, im going to go eat the food I grew and prepared myself. Cheers!

>gets proven wrong
>lol that is what i was meaning to say all allng i win haha

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They arent if things but systemtic features of those times. What you are doing here would be like me handwaving every single downside of the industrial world you mention as an "if" question.

I mean just look at your OP you take all the worst possible ifs for the opposing view and and all the best possible ones for your own.

>The only legit concern you mention is abuse by nobles.The rest is mostly fearmongering hogwash
You wish, once you cut through your idealism and start looking at the conditions there outside of rosy pictures youll understand.

> Also, 70% of all people in the past were farmers, the chance of my son being a (((labourer))) are very low. If anything he'd be a craftsman.
70% were working in agriculture - which includes a big chunk of farmhands and labourers especially by this period working in agriculture =/= owning your land.

>Romanticising a past where half your kids would die before hitting puberty

Do you actually think you proved me wrong?

Where?

I acknowledged and corrected my mistake. The logic is still sound -and as yet, not refuted by yourself...

You proved nothing. But, deep down you already know that, dont you?

Enjoy going to your job tomorrow...;)

Micheal Lagdon is a jew