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>The Alt Right was powerful because it was a general brand of nationalism.
Precisely this.

I think the alt-lite is worse for pussing out and not showing solidarity but Dicky-kun turned himself into a toxic brand too, he needa to be cognizant of that and do something else and anyone who bashes him like Ryan or Nick are doing GOD'S work.

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He needs to be beheaded live on stream like he did Sargin but 100 fold. If Alt Hype can get on with him and keep himself collected for two hours I think he's plenty capable going by his complete takedown of why Richard Spencer belongs in the trash. He didn't even get to the worst part which is that Richard had a big part in promoting the "alt lite" label for non-white nationalists which is exactly what destroyed the Alt Right. Our greatest strength was the pipeline of memes from Jow Forums to Twitter and Richard, in his most genius move, completely destroyed by saying that those normal people sharing Jow Forums memes weren't Alt Right. What an abject moron and he talks like he's a realist about the nature of power and influence in the world. Complete joke.

Richard's always talking about finances, pay-per-view bloodsports could make his evisceration by Ryan happen, God willing.

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It is impractical, but do keep holding a candle for it, because every other race does.

He can't debate and he takes everyone in good faith so much that he'll get bogged down in the mud easily. He shouldn't do anything live. Put Richard on the back foot and make him respond to Ryan in a solo video.

actually a better logo

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it's just a codeword we have here for racists and nazis, they need to go

I got banned from JewFs chat for saying FAG. What the fuck is that?

>75 subscribers
OP will forever be a faggot

I agree with everything you said (except the part insulting OP which seems to be a misunderstanding)

this is one of the biggest differences between here and kripplechan's pol. They can't accept anything less than complete WN and are now blackpilled, raging and have no way forward.

but if you make a coalation with the civ nationalists - you're actually on the winning team since Trump is in power in the states, Canadian conservatives are putting forward a popular motion to get rid of birthright citizenship and brext and anti immigration parties are dominating Europe.

If you want to support WN and develop those ideas fine, but for god sake don't attack and discourage those of us actually working to reduce immigration and succeeding! Seriously what the fuck are Richard Spencer and his followers even doing?

>The Alt Right was powerful because it was a general brand of nationalism
lol

>American nationalism
LOL

I honesty don't think he will debate Ryan now as he will likely claim he gave him a chance and doesn't want to waste anymore of his time. It would be nice if Ryan and Sean debated him but I doubt it will happen now.

>pol

> a faggot individualist liberal racist ended up betraying a collectivist racialist movement

Imagine my shock.

i saw you posting here today, you got your facts wrong, the alt lite started shitting on alt right first, we wanted peace, but they started sperging out about muh indentity politics.

>those of us actually working to reduce immigration and succeeding

Ryan calm down.

I've never seen Richard Spencer actually debate anyone with an ounce of ability - he's just not good at it and his ideas are shit, and he knows it that's why he wanted JF to be a fake mediator on his debate

Civic cuckionalist newfags triggered ITT. KEK

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>He didn't even get to the worst part which is that Richard had a big part in promoting the "alt lite" label for non-white nationalists which is exactly what destroyed the Alt Right. Our greatest strength was the pipeline of memes from Jow Forums to Twitter
Yeah basically this. I realize that some people here knew of Richard Spencer in the past since they were neckdeep in WN and NS culture, but for a lot of us we only learned about him and others after he became mainstream and to be fair to him he did wake a lot of us who had even been Jow Forumsacks for a long time to a lot of stuff. When Cabalist Clinton did her alt-right meme speech, everyone knows she wasn't talking about richard spencer because no one knew about him yet, she was talking about us. Which is kind of incredible when you think about it but still.

"Alt-right" would have been good if it was still being used elastically, the way the media does but in reverse, so you can be a libertarian or a based black guy in a maga hat and be alt-right but providing cover for people to their right. The media used the vagueness as an attack, but we should have used it as an asset, and in a sense we still can with that word or something else but a lot of the magic is gone. I made a strong defense of kekistan a year ago for similar reasons while everyone was calling it "cringe", I could post that if anyone is interested. It really pisses me off whenever anyone counter-signals that "sweet spot" politics between moderation and extremism since that's what wins wars and revolutions full stop.

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you

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baste black dude please join my country (but don't fuck my daughter (even though I won't have one because I'm gay))

respectfully,
ryan

No shit, I don't want Mexican neighbors as much as anyone, but right now those things have no purpose in being addressed politically. To do so is to marginalize yourself, if you were to introduce such ideas to a successful movement it would be immediately suicided which is exactly what that faggot Spencer did to the Alt Right. A principle of the next American nationalist coalition should be to just not talk about race. Gaining influence with normies and changing politics is the correct number one priority and race does nothing but obstruct that.

I know Ryan sucks at debating, but I think he would do well in a 1 v 1 with RS as long as there's even moderation. His arguments are very straight forward and easy to stick to, he would have to really fuck up to get off track. He just needs to explain that Spencer crashed the Alt Right by counter signaling the alt lite and other tactical blunders, Spencer is currently irrelevant and abandoned by everyone near him, and Spencer is a huge faggot who obviously just stole the thunder of Jow Forums who was actually doing everything and if he'd get out of the way we could resume that.

With debates on genetics there are weeds to get lost in, but that's not the case here because Richard is so obviously guilty of every charge with the evident information all being well-known. If Ryan preforms on the high end of his potential he could completely saw his head off live on stream which would be awesome, but even if he doesn't it's a gimme win as Richard will have to concede to the charges he's obviously guilty of.

>If you want to support WN and develop those ideas fine, but for god sake don't attack and discourage those of us actually working to reduce immigration and succeeding! Seriously what the fuck are Richard Spencer and his followers even doing?
Well said.

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Yeah, this is somewhat true, alt-right didn't do nothing compared to the cons but they deserve some blame for doing shit that was self-marginalizing in reteospect.

oh he didn't put slashes therefore he's a newfag - if that's the extent of your argument capacity it makes scene that your smooth brain would find Spencer compelling

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Why do you care about optics so much? The left doesn't give a fuck about optics, so why should you? Is it because you're a faggot coward with no honor?

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>A principle of the next American nationalist coalition should be to just not talk about race.
No.... Just talk about race in non retarded ways. Like Ryan does as well and you can be even more moderate than him and still be frank and not dishonest.

>inb4 fuck off frank

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>pol
newfag redditor

>it makes scene that
mobile poster

>le bush photo controlled opposition!!!
spencer released that photo himself

three strikes, you're out

Because Pat Little got 2% of the vote and it was mostly from niggers....

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Theres too many people talking about race! Theres too many white nationalist! We should just stop talking about race. We are greatest allies go- guys. Diverse nationalism goys!

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Who fucking cares

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>>>b

Also his duginist wife is probably a bit creepier than bush. Not even saying dugin is all bad but he is basically a jew for Russia, not our countries.

Richard should have gay married Tyrone a real american from america

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The rally in Cville was called "unite the right" that tells alot, alt lite was invited but they refused.

that's right race is dumb. we need to pander harder to our based nonwhite allies

judge them not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character

we're all american

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I couldn't tell from the title if he was being facetious and ironic or not but after having watched it... holy shit. He's done fucked up big time. Shitty fucking arguments. Total black pilled "I'm giving up on whites" bullshit. Absolute disdain in the comments. He's probably done as a voice for anything.

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>newest video
>2015
>betrayal
This is a shill-created overreaction.

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BASED. At least I still have my maga hat

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Richard Spencer's wifes phone needs to be hacked and her nudes leaked

>spencer released that photo himself

does that make it any better you dumbass? Why is he hanging out with globalist Laura Bush? Why is the National Policy Institute being funded by someone with CIA connections? Cause retards like you continue to follow him

forgot to add
>video literally isn't ryan

No one gives a shit. Elections don't matter at this point. The only thing that matters is normalizing and amplifying racial consciousness into the mind of every American. Then, the shitshow can begin.

I don't know what point your making here. That was Bannon's plan for the Alt Right, he's probably moving pieces right now for when we get our shit together.

>I honesty don't think he will debate Ryan now as he will likely claim he gave him a chance
I know, what a pussy.

>doesn't want to waste anymore of his time
Yeah, because he's got such a full schedule of important things to do.

>the alt lite started shitting on alt right first
Yeah, that's when you should have hid your power levels but you decided to double down like retards and destroyed the movement.

I'm fucking tired of being irrelevant. The Alt Right was never even real, it was literally just us anons making OC and then the Twitter network of alt lite people distributed our shit to normies. All of the e-celebs, retard rallies, that faggot Richard Spencer, all superfluous non-entities that latched onto US. It's time to get rid of the parasites and reorient ourselves in a practical manner. The midterms are coming up and they're kind of really fucking important to the prospects a wall being built and Trump's reelection. I'm done fucking around doing nothing.

We'll be coming for you later Schlomo, just chill out for now.

Optics are everything. We were in the heart of the system in 2016 influencing things in God knows how many ways. Because of white nationalists who couldn't appreciate the good thing we had going we're now irrelevant and influencing dick.

>The left doesn't give a fuck about optics
Just stop

Sure, race is obviously real and we're all very aware of it because of the endless resources available online. You just want to keep that out of sight from normies which just means you don't include race as a descriptor of the movement. We're all still going to be here with holocaust denial threads and everything else, but projecting that shit outward is retarded because it turns off normies who would otherwise help us.

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>Believing that a Rampant, aids saturated homo cares about the future of white children

Why did you let yourself be deceived?

>Normalize racism by acting abnormal fellow goys!

Yeah, but I'm saying, there's still ways to talk about it that don't come off as toxic, we just need to focus test shit basically. I agree with your point sorta but being too dishonest makes you obviously untrustworthy to some people. Instead of "thinks like white people nationalism" how about a "not WN, but not anti WN" movement? We just need to find people who won't sperg at people daring to exercise their First Amendment rights to have different opinions than them.

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>should have hid your power levels but you decided to double down

Surely you have evidence of this? i see less antisemitic and racist memes the movement is envolving, even on infinity chan muh joos shills are getting called out.

>toxic
I want these T_D fags to leave

Wasn't 8gaggle artificially locked down by a low IQ hatenazi mod until very recently or something?

I never understood their hateboner for TRS most of all, Mike Enoch is one of my favorite altkikes but also TRS is representative of some of the things I hate most about radical politics traits which re88it shares so it just seemed like a really forced, transparent d&c shill. Besides some actual raiding on both sides is there any logical reasons for that split?

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low quality bait by one of those kike&tea people

But since this thread exists, how about we talk about what the fuck has been going on with Ryan Faulk and Sean Last
Look at the last few vids by Last
youtube.com/user/spawktalk
They seem to basically be pulling a total 180 on everything. Not sure why, exactly. I'm thinking it's because they've become so disillusioned by "muh bad optics" and fags like Spencer that not only are they distancing themselves from these people, but they want to change their entire ideology too. Seems like a mistake to me, and I just don't get it.

And I want you to tone down your hate speech kike.

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I will repeat. The left doesn't give a flying fuck about optics. Specifically, jews.

>Optics are everything.
Jews are always winning because they never use this strategy. Instead, they are always on the attack.

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>kike
wow so toxic think about the the optics. Stop being anti-semitic. kek Youre trying too hard to fit in faggot. Embarrassing

fuck off and die

Jow Forums has always been a subchannel that stands against Jewish Nazism and bigotry, retard. First day on reddit?

I didint really researched the drama but as i understand is that bunch of nazi LARPing retards decided to dox him because they thought he was a jew or something.

>Toxic masculinity, nazism and bigotry
t.absolute faggot

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>be an average west side gentile
>marry a piece of hot yid ass
>come to realize that some of her family and friends are kind of retarded and probably want to gas you
>start a meme site to wake up the goyim
>stupid nazi retards nail you to a cross and throw shit and piss at you

The life of a social justice warrior.

>They seem to basically be pulling a total 180 on everything.

incorrect

Also i heard Ryan is known for making emotional tweets and then deleting them, maybe its a homosexual mentality thing, remember when mouthy buddha one day out of nowhere started shitting on the alt right?

>When Cabalist Clinton did her alt-right meme speech, everyone knows she wasn't talking about richard spencer because no one knew about him yet, she was talking about us. Which is kind of incredible when you think about it but still.
I know. My mom was die hard boomer for Clinton while I was 20 in my room shitposting like mad. It's surreal thinking about the scale of what we are doing here right now, but it just feels good to me and I can't stop.

>"Alt-right" would have been good if it was still being used elastically,
Exactly, this is what Spencer completely fucked up and I hope Alt Hype jumps down his throat on this point particularly.

>so you can be a libertarian or a based black guy in a maga hat and be alt-right but providing cover for people to their right
Yep, at this point American nationalism fits this bill if we can claim it before someone else does or if another faggot "political leader" tries to jump in front of us.

>we still can with that word or something else but a lot of the magic is gone.
There will be something else like the Trump campaign that will hype us up within the next few years. We just have to not make the same mistakes and basically just follow what you've outlined here. Jow Forums is a political force, and us itt are leaders ahead of the curve. I think we can maybe mobilize for the midterms memes willing.

>made a strong defense of kekistan a year ago for similar reasons while everyone was calling it "cringe",
I was making kekistan threads earlier today to test the water. They say it was cringey and I accused them of infighting, it was all pretty funny. I think bringing that back might have real potential because that was big with the alt lite so we'd be immediately wired back into their network when the OC starts flowing.

>It really pisses me off whenever anyone counter-signals that "sweet spot" politics between moderation and extremism since that's what wins wars and revolutions full stop.
Same.

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I like this OP

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so the rest of population are leftist?

there are centrists, libertarians, alt lite, these are our primary targets we should redpill

Kekistan and IOTBW are 2 of the best ideas we've had, better than le trump shit even.

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Ever since this Alt Hype betrayal I've noticed there's always some faggots in these threads accusing everyone who's disappointed in Ryan of being Spencerites. Since when does being race realist == Spencer follower? Also, the debate about optics and alliance between alt right/alt lite shouldn't be linked so strongly to the debate about race realism vs. civ nat, they're different topics. I'm not even a Spencer fan, but the guys who always show up in these threads to bash him absolutely reek of d&c shill. My guess is that it's another "op" being carried out by Kraut to get "revenge" on the people who reamed his ass last year.

Alt Hype's fall from grace was such a disappointment. I really enjoyed his videos but now it sickens me to even go to his channel. Perhaps a true ethnostate is isn't viable, but at least he presented information that was in favor of race realism. Now he just sounds like a civ-nat cuckold.

>Optics are everything.
Ok well guess who owns the fucking lens for everything. The media. You know how to get the best optics? Just praise Obama and call Trump a Russian spy and you'll have the best optics in the world. Who cares about the truth? Not when
>Optics are everything.

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this

this d/c shill gets facts wrong, talks about optics yet cant present his point politely

I thought the Walt Bismarck response video was a LOT better than the RS and JF circlejerk, although I still mostly disagreed with it.

youtu.be/dMeDFNvDjj0

Also, I'm generally a huge fan of JF, still am, he makes some of the best content in our movement in general, just thought he came across like a huge piece of shit in that stream.

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i knew i was still subbed to that faggot for a reason

we need optics to sway alt lite to our side

disagreed about what?

Dude, you have to look good for the normies. That is the only way your movement is gonna get somewhere. I dont know why that is so hard to understand. Even nazi Germany recogniced the importance of optics

That's only going to happen when the right owns the media. Adhering to the jewish media's definition of what makes good optics is borderline controlled opposition and makes zero difference.

alt lite doesnt trust or watch mainstream media

I'm really not sure what's going on with him. The thing is that he legitimately has autism, so his brain doesn't work the way most of ours do, and this causes his to get retarded tunnel vision on certain issues. For example, his hatred of Andrew Anglin, since apparently Faulk is so wrapped up in his data-crunching that he doesn't get that a lot of the youth get captivated by Anglin's (and Jow Forums's) style of satirical unsanctimonious humor. All he can see is "bad optics neo nazi" but doesn't understand the context.

The biggest leap of logic in his last video (or videos, since the latest one seems to be a retread of the one he deleted) is that he's unwilling to entertain the notion that whites have been brainwashed by the jews to act the way we currently do. He's now unwilling to hear this and just brushes it aside, even though we have data on this. Whites weren't always this way. There's plenty of data on opinions whites used to have back in the day. It was Faulk himself who used to use the talking point that people are now being called "Nazis" for having the same beliefs that their grandparents who actually fought the Nazis in WW2 had. But now he has this idea that whites' current predisposition is totally set in stone and can't be changed. Despite the fact that we're seeing changes all the time now.

And that shit about only blacks causing people to shift more right-wing is retarded. Black population has remained constant over the past like 100 years. White people have been flooding out of places like California en masse for the past 20 years now. We're currently seeing a major paradigm shift of latent white nationalist tendencies. You can't tell me all of this is just about blacks, when blacks haven't changed their activities or numbers at all over the decades, while the number of spics has.

Leftists have normalized a crazy amount of degeneracy and shitty ideas over the years. Centrists, libertarians, and alt-lite couldn't stop it and may even helped it. Besides, how can we redpill anyone if we also become like civnats, which is what OP wants.

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But the worst part of Faulk's cucking is that it's needless. The end result of what he wants is more or less the same as what any WN on Jow Forums wants. A state that upholds the society, values, and stability of the founding majority. Most people are reasonable and are okay with some percentage of nonwhites being in the ethnostate, provided they're willing to accept the fact that they're effectively guests living in a white nation and act accordingly, rather than trying to subvert. Just like the way a white person living in japan would act. Not imposing, respectful of the host culture, etc. So all he's doing with this shit is going to cause blackpilling and disillusionment

Yeah, those were great ideas. I love Kekistan.

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lol true. Based black guys and muslims are literally going to be the ones to out the Jews which is why the white nationalists are never going to be involved or accomplish anything especially considering . I'm psyched about the GDL, that shit has real fucking potential.

>being too dishonest makes you obviously untrustworthy
Absolutely. Race realism is fine, it's the flaunting it unnecessarily that's counterproductive. And he: makes a really good point about how great the term Alt Right was when it was still vague because it gave us cover under the same roof as based black guys which gives a plausible deniability to the far right fringe.

>not WN, but not anti WN" movement?
Yeah, American nationalism.
>Trump
>immigration
>America first
>guns
>free speech
>the flag
What we do now basically. I think distancing ourselves from Spencer would be a big boost. Huge credibility to normie cons who considered him the absolute fringe, therefore we're well inside what's acceptable and therefore more attractive.

>won't sperg at people daring to exercise their First Amendment rights to have different opinions than them.
Yeah, the infighting was big a problem, but a big part of that was the race shit so you excise that as something not part of the platform and it seems pretty solid.

The Alt Right collapsed because the white nationalists took the title for themselves and said the alt lite are not Alt Right. This fucked everything up. We were doing well because the alt lite was spreading our memes to normies and when they were no longer Alt Right we had no influence on anyone and then crumbled into the nothing we are today.

Jews control the fucking media. We don't, we're nothing, we're irrelevant. If we ever gain relevance again it would be fucking retarded to do the same thing again of throwing it away.

Shadilay

God damn, that is cringey. I think we could force it with hyper-irony though. Would take spamming

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You know people with a lower sense of humor have higher levels of depression according to this CNN poll.

irony bros post

> Ryan or Nick
You mean Fuentes? His last show he trashed on alt hype over this. I was a little disappointed. But that's how Nick works. He doesn't like alt hype cause he's a homosexual and he'll side with Spencer cause he's friendly.

JF got a sex change operation?

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Nothing major, I just tend to prefer outside-of-the-box solutions that think beyond ethnostatism or normie conservatism. Maybe it is because I had a more kikey upbringing than most here (admittedly). The best point they made was about the propositional nation being even more authoritarian than an ethnostate because of all the ideological screening and privacy violations you'll have to do. Those are the kinds of arguments that tend to resonate with me and other people too. That's the kind of thing I'd like to see Ryan actually respond to if he get around to it.

Yeah, but that was different because he was a BASED socialist and not a liberal faggot so checkmate!!!!!!!!!!!

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For all you know, though, there's people who could like a portion of what Andrew Anglin does and not be public about it. Because you'd have to be retarded to endorse Anglin in the Jewnited States as a public figure unless you're weev or Anglin or Chris "1433" Cantwell or something.

Calm down dude, everything is a lens, this is what Immanuel Kant is so famous for figuring out. You know that epic book "The Prince" which Spencer claims to be well versed-in since he's a Nietzschean realist. The Prince is about optics and always doing things that advantage with minimal cost and minimal benefit to your adversary. Showing more than necessary is like rule number one of what not to do. At this point there's no political benefit to openly expressing ideas about race so you shouldn't do it if you want to be successful. Do whatever the fuck you want on Jow Forums but sending a shit ton of racialized signals is suicidal and the failure of the Alt Right is a recent case study of exactly that.

Link me nibba

I was expecting more of you, impractical, brainlet, white nationalists. You're wasting your fucking time, dude. Nationalism has big potential and we can claim, but not with shit heads like you detracting us with the race cancer.

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Regarding optics, the thing I think a lot of people don't grasp is that we don't have to have one unified opticsTM to cover everyone. We work just fine having different characters playing different roles and appealing to different niches. Guys like Faulk and Last were good for the data-oriented people. Guys like Anglin are good for catching the youth demographic. Guys like Fuentes can appeal more to the non-edgy boomer-tier crowd of wisconsinites and hoosiers. They don't need to duke it out over which is the "right way". One group can do their thing while others do a separate thing.

The only time I've ever heard of GDL is when they raid streams and superchats and they seem like a fucking Mossad operation. Not to mention

>DL

More like AshkeNAZI Defence League, am I right?

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It took the jews roughly one hundred years to completely defile a white Christian country. How do you think they did that? By never letting their ideas enter the public consciousness? Quite the opposite.

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I'm not saying Faulk or anyone else has to publicly endorse Anglin or his rhetorical style. Just recognize that it's a separate pathway and not mutually exclusive to your own message.

I'm not going to waste time on a faggot such as yourself. Yeah, I'm sure your based civic nationalism will totally work.

I haven't watched this week, but that's cool. I think of e-celebs in tiers. Nick is in a more hardcore tier than Ryan but more moderate than Richard, JF, Cantwell etc. enough so that he can go on platforms like infowars and spread our message. If he's counter-signalling an "optics cuck" that's actually a good thing since he's built enough political capital to do it even if I actually agree with the cuck more for some weird reason.