Destroy socialism in a few sentences in a way that's easy to understand. I need to convince a brainlet

>Take away resources from your nation's most productive people
>Give resources to the least productive people

"define socialism"
"give me specifics"

boom over

being alive costs resources

What incentive do wage earners have to work? They're not making profit how could they possibly have motivation.

How are you going to fill high stress or undesirable but necessary jobs without an incentive? You think people won't do fuckall if you just give them shit for free? They'll all be artsy and follow their dreams, leaving basic societal infrastructure to collapse.
The only other option is fear tactics, in which case you think everyone being forced to work is better than everyone being motivated to.

Are you a fucking brainlet?
Their wage.

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Here.

Under socialism or communism, the means of production are owned, by definition, by the state.
Under communism there exists no free market as the state sets prices.
Without subtracting the input from the output, one cannot do cost accounting. It cannot be determined if production is more efficient under communism than under capitalism, or if production is more efficient than last week, or if it is even profitable at all, as "profits" are illegal.

You use your money to buy flour, yeast, rent an oven for a day, ect. Why do you do this? To bake bread. Why? Because you have determined and bet that there is a market for bread. You invest $50 and bake 50 loaves. So $1/loaf is your input cost. Your research says people will pay $2 or more for good bread every day, but they'll only pay $0.50/loaf for shitty bread. So, if you bake shitty bread you'll only be able to sell it for $25, half of the cost of production, a loss. But, if you are reasonably sure you can bake great bread, you may invest the time and money to bake 50 loaves and sell them for $100. It cost you $50 to make so your profit is $50, you have doubled your money, pretty good.

But under socialistic conditions, there can never be any cost accounting. That's why there is always bread lines and famines in communist countries, even in breadbaskets like Ukraine and Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. Communism is genocide. Socialism and democracy must be opposed as a moral imperative.

>Employee
High wages - Low work
>Employer
Low wages - High work
This is why capitalism works. BALANCE.

Accurate

People are still animals

>socialism

Is a thought out future class less society where the means of production are in the hands of "the people" and "justly" shared and distrubuted as the final step of an economical evolution reached by the means of revolution.

This is just an idea and not the best.
The underlying philosophy namely dialectic materialism is a wicked and corrupt inversion of the philosophy of Hegel, which heavily implies that matter > mind but also that "people" are a material means of production as well, hence your lard ass is property of the "people" which is actually a brutal and fascist elitist regime.

TL;DR There is no and never will be indivdual freedom or determination. You are state property. What has been proven every 53 times socialism was installed.
>It is also a diabolical ideology directly from hell

Maybe a white pill can help.youtu.be/gppR4CCxY6k

>Venezuela
>2018

youtube.com/watch?v=ojhFDNoqun8

No need, socialism always destroys itself.

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Socialism claims that humans will not take more for themselves than they need. Communism also made this claim. This claim is a lie. Humans are greedy and will continue to act greedily.

Communism and Socialism rely on brutal state repression to keep everyone in line. E.G. Bolshevik and Soviet USSR (Communism.) Nazi Germany (National Socialism.)

When the reward is great, such as in a Capitalist system, the effort to succeed is great. When the reward is small, such as in Communist and Socialist systems, the effort to succeed is small.

>look mom i tagged them all lol!
>im seizing the memes of production!
>plz vote for bernie you guys

Not an argument.

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Tell them to imagine giving Donald Trump unlimited power over society to determine what is the collective good.

A society where all are considered equal is necessarily defective, because some men are biologically superior to others. Thus, it defies natural laws even more than our current society and it's destined to fail.

Systems not based on merit will always fail. If a worker gets the same reward as someone who doesn't work, a worker will find ways to stop working. Those who don't work will also become dependent on gibs and feel as though they are entitled to it. Then the system collapses because there are too many useless people siphoning off it.

Good one.

This is fallacious and poorly thought out. Houses aren't "natural" either but they're a good idea.

>all these replies itt
figures Jow Forums actually has no clue what socialism really is and people are just being edgy for the sake of it

Enlighten us, Jose
You fucking faggot

How ironic. Socialists have absolutely no concept of nature and social structure. They are too materialistic and always have bad ideas in the end.

One word:
Consent.
It requires consent, and many people don't/won't consent to it, so it will inevitably get violent.

Is it against natural laws to build a house? No. I'm talking about evolutionary laws, the cool thing that has allowed humanity and literally every other species on the planet to not go extinct. Eugenics is literally the only way to proceed. The bad and mediocre section of the gene pool never really contributed to human progress, except for providing manual labor. In the past, this section was kept in check by the harshness of nature, that killed the weak and allowed only the strongest to survive. In our times this is not effective anymore, because modern medicine n shiet. The natural consequence of this is that the mediocre greatly outnumbers the best of the gene pool to a point where it threatens its survival (whites are only 7% of the world population, for example). If we go on like this, society will crumble because of lack of creative power and we will lose the best of our gene pool, mixing it with lesser races. This strides with the very nature of communism, and it's why it must be eradicated.

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You're too fucking retarded to even a few words, so spare others from your stupidity.

mmmmmm

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faggot did you think that you are still on r/the_donald? this is pol. we are socialist. national socialist. take your jewpilled capitalist kike shit and go elsewhere.

Pretty much this, its an idealology that requires 100% of a society to agree with sacrificing individual success for "the greater good." A philosophy that isn't practical outside of small tribal situations like family, which I'm willing to bet most people's family operate in a similar style with the pooling of resources and helping eachother without need for compensation. On a national scale it doesn't work because no matter how much propaganda you push people truly don't give a shit about everyone in their own town much less on the otherside of the country.

youtube.com/watch?v=uZSq_zZ5VrQ

>we
Fuck off, I'm a monarchist.

>national commies*
Jow Forums is christian you stupid fuck. And Jow Forums wouldn't even exist if capitalism didn't because they system encourages innovation and competition. Shit that actually progresses technology and society itself. Jow Forums natsoc is filled with a bunch of nigger-brained gib-me-dats.

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it doesn't work.

Free helicopter rides.

In the absence of a market it’s impossible to know how much or how little of a particular good or service should be produced guaranteeing shortages and eventually human extinction. The first pilgrims experienced this first hand until they embraced private property rights and launched the creation of the wealthiest society in human history.

My money not yours

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Neither are any of these brain dead "arguments: just strawmen and mischaracterizations. Communism will win. Capitalism cannot sustain itself indefinitely.

>implying that Jow Forums and the internet are actually good things rather than drugs to help us cope with the shithole that is the contemporary world

CAPITALISM CAUSED THIS, RETARD AMERICAN FUCK.

I am a devout Catholic. When did I say that I wasn't? Redpilled natsoc christianity is deeply anti-capitalist. enjoy your cheap chinese shit. i hope you die alone in the middle of a reverse mortage surrounded by cheap trinkets and doritos.

>press S to spit on grave

S

For now pig.

Lets have a little look at how terrible Israels socialist policies are.

Universal Healthcare. This is covered by a small health TAX, which is transferred to the HMO Israel chooses. The tax is dependent on size of income, with the lowest NOT paying at all.
Unemployment welfare. Which in some cases be for 120 days or so.
Social Security. Which includes a) a stipend for the retired. b) a form of “insurance” in case of accidents that prevent people from working. c) stipends for various types of health handicaps.
Monthly “Child Support” payments according to the number of children a family has.

SOCIALISM DOESN'T WORK GOYIM.

food is good

History has proven over and over again that it’s socialism that’s not sustainable you dunce.

Communism is based on the concept that as Capitalism followed Feudalism, so Communism follows Capitalism. Capitalism is necessary for communism to work. Of course shithole agrarian and colonial socialist states failed. Capitalism hadn't been allowed to lay the foundations.
no u

Inequality is natural. Providing welfare should only be done in order to make our society healthier or stronger. If it damages us then there's no reason to provide it. I'm not saying to be an inconsiderate ass. I'm just saying not to go overboard.

The ultimate means of production is people, people produce everything. The state owning the means of production is owning people.

Easy.

This is possible only because they have infinite gibs from white countries for the tragic 6000000000000000 gorillion dead.

>conflating capitalism with corporatism
Wrong, faggot. America now is what happens when you let people with no morals do what they please unhindered. And considering the people in question used to be boomer treefuckers (70s leftists) it should go without saying that the problem lies within leftism and not capitalism. And it doesn't matter what you call your pozzed ideology, its still socialism. It still works like socialism and its going to fail like all socialism ever has.

Communism erodes foundations you nigger.

Thank God your boss owns you instead.

A planned economy is required, a fascist state with socialism and incentivisation to further not only YOURSELF but your PEOPLE driven by nationalism is the only way foward, anything else is Jewish retardation.

Capitalism is a colossal failure, we're going extinct as a race because of it.

What the fuck does that even mean?
bu-bu-but it's not reeeeeeal capitalism it's cowpwatizm :(
Corporatism is a feature of capitalism not a bug you fucking retard.

Tell that to Sweden , the UK, Norway , Denmark , Finland, Germany.

If socialism is so great then why does it rely entirely on the development, capital, and prosperity of capitalism in order to survive?

It's an economic system that's a total parasite that can't survive on its own without mooching off of capitalism.

not socialist senpai.

it has killed over 100 million people literally, and has never worked once in society, ever.

>muh free shit

well when you spend other peoples money you eventually run out. and then hyperinflation destroys everything.

The commie memeflags are here to do damage control again

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East Germany had the highest standards of living of any socialist country in history. Why did East Germans risk death to flee to West Germany? Why didn't the oppressed proletariats of West Germany flee to be liberated into a worker's paradise in East Germany?

Unironically, socialism could work in America - IF you physically removed every person who ever advocated for it.

Socialism is just not based on reality, it wasn't created organically from reality, it was thought up in a room by a bunch of elite cocksmokes that have never worked and are out of touch with reality. The sad truth is, if you think about how lazy and unproductive the average person is, realize half the population is even more lazy and unproductive. Socialism assumes perfect compliance by everyone involved, people who scrub toilets putting forth the same level of effort as doctors, no outside entities or agents, and complete financial insulation, i.e. no gibzmedat migrants sending money to another country, or storing of assets and money in another nation's banking system.

Surely you understand that there are two schools of thought; the romantic and the mechanical. It's best explained with a simple analogy of a gas pedal. To the romantic, pushing the gas pedal means your car goes forward (or backwards, or makes the engine sound louder). while the mechanical man understands that pushing the gas pedal operates a valve, allowing more or less fuel to pass, etc ultimately resulting in moving forward, or backward, and making the engine sound louder.
Mechanical minded thinkers are capitalists, because it is organic and true. Romantic thinkers are socialists, communists, utopians of all types, focusing on a vision of the future or the flaws of the present rather than an understanding of the market forces.

in summary, socialism is literally the "pee is stored in the balls" of economics.

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>communism will win, writes the increasingly more nervous balding man, his Starbucks coffee shaking in his left hand

>Destroy socialism in a few sentences in a way that's easy to understand. I
socialism presumes equality of potential and thus considers unequal outcomes as being unfair.
this runs counter to reality, where no 2 people are equal, every species on the planet has a food chain and natural hierarchy.

lmao, I can choose from 30 different job offers.
In commieland you would have a choice between 30 different comissars you would be executed by.

Corporations pay off presidential candidates for policies and blind eyes that only benefit corporations. These policies essentially lead to a system where competition is non-existent and money is funneled up as the bottom gets assfucked from every direction. Its literally socialism that redistributes the people's wealth to the top 1% you stupid fuck. That is literally what it is. Socialism. For. The. Rich.

>Sees something is wrong
>tries to make it somewhat better
>Utopian

boohoo communists buy things.

>communist
>buying things
Fucking larper lol. Go back to /leftypol/

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Holy shit, you're a living meme
I wish you leftypol dwellers were right and Jow Forums was an echo chamber, at least then we'd be able to ban you retards

Socialism doesn't work as long as the top rung is jews. The money is siphoned elsewhere. Capitalism doesn't work for the same reason.

The only parasite in this equation is Capitalism.
Resources are not FINITE for a start you fucking imbecile and putting your life into the hands of corporations isn't going to end well for you.

Why do you think all free market societies turn into complete shitholes and end up begging for some sort of Socialism, Austria BEGGING NatSoc Germany comes to fucking mind.

People are inherently selfish and act in their own best interests; money and, more largely, capitalism drive people to doing good things they otherwise won't. No one's going to medical school for 8 years to make the same wages as a guy in clothing retail or to live in the same size house and drive the same car as that guy. What ends up happening in Socialist countries is you lose all skilled labor after a short period of time and, using say a doctor as an example, and end up forcing unqualified people in to the position by reducing the amount of training and workload so the position is viable.

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Communism requires a world wide revolution which is never going to happen because capitalism provides what people need and what people want.

Capitalism also makes people fat and lazy

Socialism is theft.

Socialism works until it runs out of other people's money.

Capitalist countries feed socialist countries.

Aww, sweetheart. Did he hurt your feelings? I'm sure your perfect brand of communism will work this time. True communism has never been tried, so you must be right!

WW2 debunks your retarded conspiracy theories.

1) dictatorship of the masses is a feature, not a bug. Will always lead to the destruction of the most competent.

2) Division of labor is fundamental to advancing the economy and creates classes. When you attack the division of labor your society will regress to a pre industrial stage.

3) Feminism has always denied the natural division of labor, which is why so many women are socialist and empowering women outside being good mothers leads to societal collapse (see JD Endwin). Families decline and the inverse population pyramid sets in with women empowered in any structure, but especially socialist structures.

Glad I could help you do your homework.

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socialism isn't socialism at all, it's state capitalism. real socialism is impossible because governments act and behave like a company; they need to make profits too. socialism is also ALOT worse than capitalism because when you have a ""socialist"" society, the elite has control of 100% of the wealth while the elite only have control of 38% in the US.

Hitler did nothing wrong.

>Venezuela worked

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MUH VENEZUELA

They wanted it , let them have it , why do you care so much about another brown shithole?

Capitalism is largely the same , check out Colombia , almost free-market tier capitalism but still a complete shithole, it's almost as if it's not the economic policy that's the problem.

Do you trust the government? If they answer no then you just ask "then why do you want it to have more power?"
If they answer yes then you're wasting your time and this retard isn't worth the trouble

this

>communists buy things
No they literally don't
You're a fucking meme dude, you and every other retard in your friend group that thinks the way you do

No
start thinking for yourself you stupid nigger
If you're that retarded you cant think of anything then you dont deserve to talk about politics

>venezuela was always a shithole

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You cannot half a snickers bar equally, it defies nature.