War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength

Okay, then running with that premise:
>many corporations pay people shitty wages and abuse social safety nets
>despite this factor during a period of record profits, we should give more corporate tax cuts
>muh free market
>socialism is bad

I don't consider what you pointed out to necessarily be doublethink mainly because most people don't actually understand what "privilege" means (including those that fight against it). You can't meaningfully quantify it and it is highly contextual. As a result, saying "white people have more privilege than blacks in the US" is an opinion not a fact. Although the people that say white privilege doesn't exist are literally saying it doesn't exist, internally most of them really believe that whites don't have an inordinate, preventable advantage over any other race in the US. This is why when pressed people will generally point out things like affirmative action which illustrate that whites aren't the only group with privilege.

Those two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Both are separate pull factors for immigration.

That's not double think, you stupid american. Loving your own race and claiming to not have racial privilege aren't mutually exclusive because loving yourself doesn't require you to have advantages over others.
When it comes to """privilege""", what liberals usually mean by that is 'unearned' privilege provided by 'the oppressive system unfairly to white people'. This is of course not true, because no such privilege even exist. All white privilege is earned privilege.

"white civilization is the best thing ever"
"white civilization is under threat in Europe because

>"contradictory beliefs"
>I love being white
>white privilege doesn't exist

Let's apply it to another scenario.
>I love being black
>black privilege doesn't exist

Hey faggot, I'm an Orwell fanboi. You don't get his shit. Maybe try Kurt Vonnegut.

That's a very balanced, well thought out response--a rarity on this board these days.

I think black privilege does exist to a certain degree. At least it does where I live. And I've read everything both of those authors have written, but thanks for the suggestion, fren.

How is it earned? Seems like more luck of the draw to me.

>Sex and gender are separate things
>In need to pump myself full of hormones of the opposite sex and mutilate my genitals so that they resemble those of the opposite, because my gender demands it

>Africa is a shithole because Europeans forced together incompatible cultures and religions when drawing the maps at the end of the colonial era
>Diversity is strength

They do both. They work laborer jobs off the books, while cashing their welfare checks. You suck at this game.

>The 2nd amendment is stupid because America will never become an oppressive fascist state
>Donald Trump is literally a fascist and is holocausting all the Mexicans and we live in an oppressive police state

> Jow Forums is one person

the idea of course is depending too much on government is never, good, an empowered people is better than an empowered government. This has been part of the US conscious for centuries. We don't want big daddy government to take our guns, to spy on us, to do whatever they deem makes us "safe". If you are asking for welfare you're asking big daddy government to take more control aka "authoritarianism".

>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>Guns are banned from government property, many protests, businesses and events, and can be confiscated if you are so much as accused of certain crimes, as well as certain guns being banned outright.

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I was waiting for that one retard to show up. Congrats, meme flag, that retard is you. I never insinuated that Jow Forums was one person. However, if you have been here for any amount of time, you will notice that there are certain beliefs which permeate the majority of this board.

you are conflating many different issues here. Admittedly we've lost many of our civil liberties since the time the constitution was written, but we still have the right to own a gun at our own house. Regardless, just because they have been infringed does not mean they should be infringed any more.

Very true. I'm always baffled that so many people vehemently rail against individual welfare, while at the same time being apathetic about welfare of the corporate variety.

I agree. I was surprised that there wasn't more outrage that guns were banned outright at some of the recent Unite the Right rallies. I was just using the gun contradiction to illustrate that such rights are often infringed.

>Everyone is equal and deserves our respect. After all, we're all human, right?
>Except nazi's. Fuck those assholes. They should be killed.

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yes, this is indeed a problem. Corporations should not have so much power over the government via lobbying and such because, as we can see, the system breaks itself in that case. It's not really a free market if the government is involved so heavily in the market.

You can't win them all I suppose. As you can see the government doesn't always reflect the will of the people in America, and yes we can do better. Subsidized industries, and corporate bailouts are two things I would want gone, welfare itself should be carefully studied in relation to crime and citizens helping each other should be preferred over government intervention. These are my opinions.

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I just want dead Jewish children.

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And I think those are issues people from both U.S. political parties could come together on, but instead they seem content to expend all their energy on partisan bickering and pissing contests.

doublethink doesnt apply here because """white privilege""" doesnt exist

>whites are the master race
>da Joos control the world

well the people who benefit the most from corporate cronyism are the congressmen and women who you want to discuss a way to stop the lobbying, etc.

An unreasonable expectation. The only way we'll get anywhere if more people take politics/voting seriously. It's on us to fix things, not the government, yet again.

>How do we fix western women?
>He's a fat fuck in his mid 20s who lives with his parents, spends all day fapping, playing vidya, and posting on an Inuit throat singing forum, blaming all his problems on everyone else in the world except himself

these are just cheap generalizations of Jow Forums posters and this is not really a double think.

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this is a strawman as well. Not all white's who believe Jews have a lot of control believe whites are the master race. They simply believe in being proud of whatever race you are, whoever you are, most of Jow Forums also seems to believe that people should not mix (if you are proud to be white then why mix with a black, etc). They believe Jews themselves believe that they are the supreme ones and for this reason treat other people like crap and cause a lot of problems. Personally I don't really share these views with Jow Forums but you should at least characterize them more accurately.

That's what disgusts me the most. People turn a blind eye to this shit when it's "their side" doing it. We need to stop re-electing these corrupt bastards, and do a much better job in the primaries so we have decent choices.

I'm also trying to post humorous contradictions to help keep the thread alive.

That's true for Mexicans, but niggers deal and rob on the side. I remember my dad telling me as a kid what a welfare recipient was as he pointed to a nigger driving a benz with huge rims and loud speakers.

Except there is nothing wrong with White's subjugating and subverting every other race, there is nothing wrong with racism when White's do it, the only time it is wrong is when subhumans do it against White's. Inequality is natural law, niggers and other ilk should know they exist because we allow them to, not because they are our equals. You are not allowed to bite the hand that feeds you.

I don't think society has a problem with people being proud of their heritage. There are all kinds of celebrations like Scottish Highland Games, Scandinavian Festivals, Octoberfest, etc... which are embraced. "White Pride" has some serious baggage attached to it though, while "Black Pride" gets a pass because so many of those people had the knowledge of their roots and heritage stolen from them.

Race seems like a distraction war to me. Like knowing there is a problem, but not seeing the big picture. It seems like class war is the real root of most problems when you boil it all down.

you've already killed the thread sans a weirdo like me by your first post. Majority of Jow Forums users are not going to assume you want discussions. They are going to look at the first post, see that you mentioned white privilege, assume you are a liberal trying to "troll" them, maybe post a pic or something and move on giving you no discussion (most will hide the thread). You've framed the thread the wrong way. You don't really know your audience well, I'm sorry to say.

>watch this thread become full of excuses
its easy to see strawmen of your own views, while its easy to make strawmen of other peoples views.
look at this faggot
>not all
duh, that can be said about the leftists memes aswell
cry me a river

Nu/pol/ doesn't seem to respond to threads that haven't been reposted thousands of times, or that don't look like bait. I've been here since /new/, BTW. The election was pretty much the final nail in this board's actual discussion coffin.

You shouldn’t be on this site.
You’ll be stuck here forever

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>this can be said about leftists memes as well
of course

what's wrong with pointing it out though? I'd consider myself fair to both alt-right types and leftists. Nothing wrong with encouraging fairness.

People have posted contradictions from both sides of the political spectrum in this thread, and that's encouraged. Partisan circle-jerks are boring. The more points of view the better.

I seriously doubt you go around doing this much micromanageing for every fucking reply on leftists meme threads.
Why even stay on this site if you are an expert at spotting "not all#"

> Abortion is murder
> Murder the nigs

Possibly congruent thinking for the truly transcended.

That one is always funny, since the abortion rate for blacks is almost triple that of whites.

no, i don't browse Jow Forums all day. I'm sorry to say. I only browse threads that intrigue me a bit, much like everybody else. I'd be ignored in leftist meme threads anyway I'd venture, what's the point in speaking to people who won't listen. I mostly lurk but just felt like posting today.

I feel I understand both left and right sides though. What's interesting to me is that from a bigger picture I don't find them much different. The jump from neo-nazi to antifa and vice-versa is small as much as both neo-nazis and antifa absolutely hate to admit it.

No one like's being told they are wrong. I will also admit that I might have some misconceptions about antifa positions since to me they are more elusive than the neo-nazi. I doubt an antifa would even bother to talk to me though. Especially knowing that I don't ever care to join but only want to know how they tick better.

I felt though if I did know both sides a bit better I might be able to convince an antifa to become a neo-nazi and vice versa.

I seriously doubt a neo nazi as much as a antifa would listen. What i find funny is that you see the similarities, but only think one of them won't listne. When in your own mind too, they are similar.
I agree that they are similar, but i don't much care for it, because integrity is whats most important, not what color boots you want to lick.

Both groups do tend to be easily manipulated brainlets who are susceptible to propaganda and groupthink.

they are always looking for friends, you just have to talk to them the right way, you have to know how they greet each other, you have to know why they think the way they do. Antifa is more elusive and the only time I responded to a couple on here as I was debating them I was wrote off as a nationalist and ignored. I think they might have the rhetoric that talking to the enemy is never productive. I've lurked around neo-nazis enough that I know some of them are willing to give you their ear.

You are saying I lack integrity because I'm not on Jow Forums all the time exposing the hypocrisy of both positions? Don't you think that's extreme?

For Neo-nazis more of them tend to have their cup half empty from what I see and hardcore progressives always seem to have a full cup. Both of course think they have the world figured out, but it's harder to approach someone who thinks they know everything rather than someone who is open to debate his/her ideals.

Both have bouts of close-mindedness but we're all just human at the end of the day.

Generally antisemitic thought holds that because Jews are immoral and commit usury, they were able to form banks and loan money. Additionally, because they are such a close knit community, nepotism runs rampant in industries they control. There are real world examples of this being true, and not just for Jews. For example, it happened with Christians in Rome. Christians could ignore most Roman morals because they didn't believe in Roman gods and additionally nepotism and favoritism towards Christians was the main reason they ultimately dominated the army. Additionally, I am of the belief that traditional Roman religion was a much better system of beliefs for the Romans than Christianity was; and even the Christian Romans agreed, which is why Christmas is on Saturnalia and the Sabbath is Sunday instead of Saturday.That said I don't completely agree with the typical antisemitic belief that jews purposefully formed an international cartel.

Agreed. In many instances throughout history, Christian rulers allowed Jewish people to run certain industries as a loophole to their own rigid religious doctrines, conveniently scapegoating them when a new ruler would rise to power.

I think "class warfare" is an oversimplification as most people simply view it as poor vs. rich. In reality, it is the absolute top 0.001% buying the loyalty of the lower classes to destroy the middle upper class which balances out the tops power. Race is an element of this. Minorities which have historically been oppressed can easily be bought and rewarded with midlevel bureaucratic positions. As a result they owe their loyalty to whomever gave them this position. I would also point to the fact that giant megacorporations like Walmart and Google that have inordinate amounts of monopsony and monopoly power do not give a fuck about progressive economic reforms (because if the poor have more cash, they will spend it at Walmart anyway), but small businesses owned by the upper middle class would be destroyed by minimum wage hikes. Even though I am not a commie, I have to agree with them when they say that the welfare state is just bread and circus appeasement and ultimately only benefits the absolute top.

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I agree. I think of class warfare as the top versus the bottom. You bring up an interesting point about how the loyalty of the lower class is being bought. I think we are really starting to see the affect this is having now. It is nearly impossible to convince people of limited means that supporting companies like Walmart goes against their own economic interests.

Here's one:

>Racism is intolerable
>Harmon said NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER? Who cares?

>love being white
its not because of privilege
its because of accomplishments
i dont expect a non- white to understand, they would have to achieve an accomplishment first

But keep crying tho, it amuses me
>our people are so great everyone else considers it a privilege just to be one of us

Another one:

>Milo said he enjoyed being molested? HE'S A PEDO, DEPLATFORM HIM
>Takei said essentially the same thing? Who cares?

Another take:

>He said he enjoyed being molested? DEPLATFORM HIM
>10,000 tweets deleted after some extremely pedophilic tweets from a kids movie director? Who cares?

Dum dum

your example is invalid, white supremacists believe they are superior by nature, not that they have a legal advantage over other races. think it through.

Another angle:

>Racism is intolerable
>Anti white racism that calls for literal genocide? Who cares?

They breed like lice and you and your clan open the gates to unlimited supplies of them

>Children in border control cages? ITS THE END OF CIVILITY
>Children being trained to shoot up schools as part of an islamic cult? Who cares?

>It is nearly impossible to convince people of limited means that supporting companies like Walmart goes against their own economic interests.
Eh, this statement I think is part of the problem and why I hesitate to use the phrase "class war". The average blue collar white in the rust belt is poor, but back in ye olden times they were actually not that bad off. They were middle class, they made a nice wage working for themselves (relatively speaking). They experienced good life without the dole, so they can't be bought so easily. Nostalgia is what keeps them away from the lower class that votes purely in the interests of the absolute top. In a way they hold antiquated American values that will sadly die with them. If life is going to get any better, there will be a revival of this middle class. Sadly, every single piece of our modern day culture is fighting against it.

Now beyond that I believe most people fail to fully understand Walmart's true interests. What they want is more market concentration into their own hands. Corporate tax is actually kind of a net neutral for them, taxes in general aren't really as important or effective as people think they are. The one effect though is that companies which export shit see themselves become less competitive. The other effect is hey more public spending, ideally going towards Walmart's number one shopper, the lowest classes. Hello more people that rely on Walmart. And most regulation really helps Walmart (especially the kind that their lackeys write) because generally Walmart can take the hit while its competition gets eaten up. For giant companies, it isn't about profit. It is about future profit through monopsony and monopoly.

Is winning the skin color lottery at birth really an accomplishment though? It certainly doesn't seem to be a personal accomplishment. Besides, I won that lottery too. Why would I be crying? It was just a random example to get the thread going.

And then they try to justify it by saying the dictionary definition of "racism" is incorrect. "Minorities can't be racist. Racism can only be institutional." Such poppycock.

>Mcain is a republican? HES THE DEVIL
>Mcain hates Trump? AMERICAN HERO

They are redefining language to win arguments. In all spheres, thats a loss. But they have enough people to keep it sustained. It needs to be destroyed publicly.

Definitely. Huge companies like Wallyworld can engage in practices like price wars knowing that they might take a hit for a while but will still be standing in the end, while small competitor companies will be driven out of business. And when Walmart is the only game left in town, people will have no choice but to shop there.

>Establishment are fascists, they need to be taken down!
>Please, help us legislate against fascism, government!

ANTIFA Edition

And so on
And so forth

White privilege is supposedly an institutional bias in favor of white people. Belief in this bias is bogus. That's not to say that there are no benefits to being white.

It's just an excuse for leftists to smear white people for their success by ascribing that success to nefarious methods.

Yep. And both sides do this. We cannot allow it to continue. Call people out when you see such bullshit.

It might not exist in your country, but it undoubtedly does here. Racial bias in penal sentencing for first time offenders is a good example.

5%? Try 20 liberal scum. And increasing. In France Le Pen couldn't win because the sum of liberal retards + "French" who are actually niggers or moors is above 50%. Democracy was a mistake, WE NEED ABSOLUTIST KINGS AGAIN.

Incarceration rates differ between races. Crime rates differ too.

They definitely do. That's why I suggested first time offenders as an example.