Why did Japanese empire lose the war against US?
I mean, some people say that America had more industriy and resources.
But in reality, we were much stronger in naval power at the begining of pacific war.
For instance, Japan had 11 air craft carriers and America had only 5 aircraft carriers in pacific ocean.
We could beat America. But somehow we lose the war.
Why?
Are we naturally inferior to glorious Americans?
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Suicide bombings are a sign of desperation. Ya'll weren't doing so well.
>glorious americans
Have some pride, man.
It doesnt matter how,many you started with. We could replace our losses and you could not
>the US neutered the Japanese flag to resemble a literal tampon
LOL
>Are we naturally inferior to glorious Americans?
No but you are sure as shit inferior to nukes
>ally austria-hungary
>they fuck up
>ally italy
>they fuck up2
>ally japan
>they fuck up
i wish we would get a good ally for ONCE
also hello english teacher in japan, enjoy your stay.
Getting trashed at Midway helps.
How do you do, fellow Japanese person?
Should have unironically allied with Stalin after he purged Trotzki.
lol, are you serious?
We fought against U.S.A. The nation of most honorable people in human history.
You fight... what? britbongs and stalin.
fuck you retard.
You should successfully invaded Britain before attack USSR.
MORON
The US was superior to Japan in every way that could possibly matter in a war except preparation.
>Better industry
>More people
>More centralized government
>Better generals and admirals
>Military wasn't split into two rival parts
The US was so superior that it could send most of its war resources to Germany and still easily win the Pacific War.
You forgot the Ottoman Empire.
Your surprise attack didn't work, and your boy pulled outa there after December 7 instead of sticking around for the carriers. Your only hope was a quick, overwhelming victory, and everybody over there knew it. It just didn't work out. US had all the resources and you didn't
>Why did Japanese empire lose the war against US?
because they started it, when all they had to do is counquer the shit they wanted to conquer and leave the US alone...
not very clever...
we fought the USA as well and grilled more of their glorious tanks, get fucked shitty ally.
ah right, they also fucked up, how unlucky can we get.
Manufacturing ability was a key component. Even your military government knew that a prolonged war meant defeat since we could just build more shit than you could. Your government hoped to sue for peace after they had taken most of Asia, unfortunately the sneak attack on pearl harbor gave the US a righteous anger that would settle for nothing less than unconditional surrender. In the end it was an island vs a continent. Dont feel to bad my yellow skinned friend you still managed to kick the shit out of a fractured china.
japan and germany didnt want world domination. they ended it by taking the hits and benefited ten fold.
the us was a unintentional accidental, catalyst for radioactive super human eugenics, for the nips. Japan needed more land, but accidentally, they evolved on gamma radioactive level. The generation that cane after the tragedy were 'super human,' and efficency skyrocketed. If your people are hyper efficent, land mass is never a problem anymore.
as for germany, hitler renacted the civil war in jerusalem that went on since ancient history, germany being the mother land in this sense. If you know anything about hitler, you can reconsile that he was a tragic hero.
uh...
I hate to be the bearer of, uh... bad news...
but um
w-we nuked you, user
Beach-line defenses aren't effective against modern amphibious assault with combined arms.
That and their smaller pool of resources and manpower made losing the pacific theater a certainty.
Pearl Harbor was a huge strategic miscalculation; Japanese high command presumed that they could strongarm the US into staryng out of the pacific with an overwhelming display of force.
This backfired spectacularly, as plans made by bureaucrats with little or no connection to reality often do.
>Germany surrendered in 1944
>Japan surrendered in 1945
You understand that, right?
You'd have to read a long, boring book to understand the full context and background.
Long story short, the japanese empire was plagued by its own politics and a severe lack of transparency and communication within its own government and military.
The Military would not submit a war minister unless it approved of all other cabinet members, thus giving a de facto veto power above that of the prime minister.
It took them two months to realize that they lost the battle of midway.
Don't get me wrong, they fucked up our fleet badly at Pearl Harbor, but failed to finish the job.
Once their fleet was gone, it was a long island hopping campaign before we had their island surrounded. Bombing raids commenced, but they still wouldn't surrender.
Some of them didn't even understand the extent of the atomic weapons. Horribile communication. The heads of the Japanese were stuck up their own asses, so to speak.
The average Japanese soldier was a dirt poor peasant, he was lucky if he was over 5' 6" in height, not very impressive.
Whatever the case, it seems that they had gone to war knowing they were going to lose.
Why? I am unsure.
I hear Japan's military branches, the navy and army were competing for funding, and operated their occupation zones like independent nations, and starting a naval war was key for pulling support towards the navy.
But why start an impossible war?
Were they expecting Germany to win against the Soviets? If so, why did they never actually help on that front?
America was bombing the shit out of basically every last one of your cities, and then in case you forgot, you got nuked. End of story
the japanese really did think they would conquer the globe
t. english teacher
You spread your forces too far out and away from your main supplies and had to fight on too many fronts; China, New Guinea, South Asia, the Pacific theatre etc.
Troop and resource allocation was hence impacted.
Except the Japs always used that as their peacetime flag. And they still use the same military flags as before.
Pic related- Helicopter destroyer flying the rising sun flag
>germany fought most of the world in a land war at the same time, for years
you understand that, right?
also, we dodged the nukes with that, to spite them for being a shitty ally, they deserved those.
forgot picture
>shitty ally
What was Japan suppose to do? Teleport an much-needed army to the Eastern Front, to be frost-bitten and undersupplied?
You should not have attacked America. You could have taken out the Soviet Union if you had of assisted Germany in their assault, England then would have sought peace and USA would have stayed out.
i am just memeing, the war was lost right when it started anyway, there was just no way we could've won it and the jews made it so.
Couldn't secure fuel resources, american industry put out a metric fuck tonnage of ships in a very short time span, Australia was backing us up really well, and we also had assists from the Royal Navy later on.
Oh, and probably most damning, Americans kept breaking Japanese codes, so we knew what they were up to 3 weeks out of 4 for the entirety of the war after Pearl Harbor. Japan might have dragged it out a lot longer if it weren't for that.
>I mean, some people say that America had more industriy and resources.
We did. We still do.
>But in reality, we were much stronger in naval power at the begining of pacific war.
Yeah, and so what? By the end, your navy was at the bottom of the sea.
>We could beat America.
Your only chance was to annihilate the entire fleet, but you failed. Even if you had, it would only have been a matter of time before we outproduced you and fucked you up. You never really had a chance.
>But somehow we lose the war.
Our ships were better. Our planes were better. Our planners were better. Our industry was better. We were better than you at everything. And then we nuked you twice. You lost a war you never had a chance of winning, and one you started.
>Are we naturally inferior to glorious Americans?
No. There's just not enough of you. You don't have the manpower, the land, the resources, the industrial base, etc to win a war against us. EVER.
Lol wut. You could of easily won it, how? By focusing on taking out Britain before the Soviets and Japan not attacking America. Roosevelt would of been defeated in the 1944 election, because the anti-war and isolationist crowd was riled up anyways, and would of lost the Congress in 1942, making politically crippled from then on out. The embargoes would of been lifted and the lend-leases gone. Anyways, the point being is that Germans create too many enemies, and take too few allies. You can never have too many allies, and you can never have too few enemies. Literally everyone else understands this except Germans.
>Why did Japanese empire lose the war against US?
because Americans are literally insane
like 70% of us are actually fucked in the head in someway
the amount of crazy bullshit i have done, let alone would do in wartime to get back at someone whose fucked me would be legendary
>You should have aided Germany to fight Russia in the eastern front
>Russia would then face a two fronts war buying sometime for Germany to advance in the spring instead winter
>American would have to stay out of it then
>taking out britain
yeah without an invading force and ships to do so, while you supplied their country with arms and credits pretty much from the get go. we just couldn't take them out, the egyptians not revolting when we got close to cairo was also another fuck up that denied that victory over the brits, which barbarossa had not much to do with as it was the supply over ships and harbours that fucked us there.
Japan's planes were probably better at the start. The downside of the zero was that it never really evolved once the war had started. It never had any compensations made for its weaknesses. The mustang however, was overhauled almost as soon as the war came to us.
Why did Japan lose the war? Because you little yellow-skinned, buck-teethed nips are inferior to the white man.
Wasn't there a cou and assassination then pearl harbor happened. The original nipper wanted out of the war on the US. And wanted the chinks
should have unironically allied France.
So tiring dealing with foreigners who can never understand American exceptionalism.
The mustang wasn't even around at the start of the war retard, nor did it ever serve in any important capacity in the pacific theatre
Its simply bad luck on their part, if they actually had destroyed the navy stationed at pearl harbor we would have been disadvantaged on that front until 43/44. Just imagine how much more territory and troops they could have gained in 3 years with that disadvantage.
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The real fuckup was that you stopped bombing British military targets and went after civilian ones. If you continued along that path you would of been fine, assuming Japan doesn't bomb Pearl Harbor. People in the United States began to hate Roosevelt, his party lost the majority of the vote in the 1940 senate elections and he barely won the presidency that year purely because his opponent was too wishy-washy on the issues (like he would contradict himself in a speech) and was scandal-ridden. And even then he barely won. in 1942, with no Pearl Harbor, he would of lost Congress, in 1944 he would of lost the presidency or not run. Once that happened, the Republicans, who were against the lend-lease and the war would of stopped shipping everything to Britain under the Neutrality Acts and they would of starved. All you needed to do was wait until November 1942 and that would be done and there would be little Roosevelt could do to prevent it, since it was just enforcing the law that he was evading.
Because we had Nuclear bombs
You do realize the nips are fucking ugly as shit right. And have such shitty teeth there mouths were full of gold. All you needed was a good set of pliers faggot.
Canada rekt most of the nazis and Italians no way they were going to win anything.
>Why did Japanese empire lose the war against US?
Why are you even asking. You know why Japan lost. Japan was nervous that America had more nuclear weapons to drop after the first 2.
Sad than both Nationalist China and Japan were on the same side of the Comintern.
For Japan, the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere meant occupying troops from Manchuria to Indonesia that could've been deployed elsewhere.
Why attack Pearl Harbor instead of seizing Vladivostok and the Soviet Far East?
>implying we wouldn't have false flagged ourselves to get into the war anyway
the brits bombed our cities first and we didn't respond with any bombings of theirs for months, what more could we do? we already watched for so long.
let's assume we take out all their military facilities for air raids etc, what then? you think the british will surrender just from that? there is no real threat to the island, so why would they? other than bombing their cities, which would get the USA into the war at some point again and take forever. an naval invasion or starving them out was not achievable, thanks to the failure of being unable to capture the suez canal and not securing the french fleet intact- not like we ahd the oil to run them effectively anyway, we even struggled with the italian fleet already.
>Germany surrendered 1944
My sides
yes, I understand.
Your logic is undeniable!
your scandicuck neighbors to the north are extremely intelligent and control strategic sea routs. Yet they choose to stay neutral or ride the fence. A nordic-germanic union could have won the war.
Then again they brought africans and arabs in to ruin their economy and fuck their women
Should have launched a third wave that took out naval yard facilities, may have turned Pearl Harbor into a successful attack
the US and its allies had insurmountable advantages
i always thought Japan did the best out of the Axis powers given their limited resources and unfavorable geo-strategic location
europeans can't survive for long deep in africa, so we brought them to us, to hunt them down easier. bonus that their black skin is easy to see in the snow.
the jews still had considerably pull in the USSR after Trotsky. Without the financing and transferring of manufacturing tech from USA those slavshits would not have built a single tank
>>ally austria-hungary
>>they fuck up
>>ally italy
>>they fuck up2
>>ally japan
>>they fuck up
>> Ally Ottoman Empire
>>ah right, they also fucked up, how unlucky can we get.
Sounds more like they fucked up teaming up with you
I know, two Austrian and Kurland pockets would absolutely destroy the Allies. The bulk of the force was gone once the Rhineland was crossed and Warsaw fell.
>the brits bombed our cities first and we didn't respond with any bombings of theirs for months, what more could we do? we already watched for so long.
Well, that is a tough choice, but if you decided to be strategic and tactical you should of continued to bomb their industry, seaports, and airports. They would of been crippled and free for taking.
>let's assume we take out all their military facilities for air raids etc, what then? you think the british will surrender just from that? there is no real threat to the island, so why would they?
They wouldn't have surrendered like that, but it would of starved their people, destabilized their nation, and crippled their navy and air force. Then you could take Malta, Gibraltar, Cyprus, and the Suez Canal, solidifying your status in the Mediterranean and hurting their supply lines coming from India, causing more starvation. It would also make Italy far less vulnerable and also would allow easier access to supplies with Red Sea ports.
>which would get the USA into the war at some point again and take forever
Not really, people didn't want war, a gallup poll found that in 1940, after France surrendered, only 8% of Americans wanted involvement into the war in any way. The public wasn't for it and after the 1938 stock market crash people were beginning to loose faith in Roosevelt. If the Republicans ran a candidate who wasn't a literal retard in 1940 the lend-leases and food shipments to Britain would cease to exist, due to the Republicans isolationist stances. The legislation was there, as I said, look up the Neutrality Acts. Under those acts when you have two warring nations the United States was suppose to suspend all imports and exports from that nation and American nationals were forbidden from going to those nations.
Cont.
depends on if you like how the west is dying right now, because we didn't want this, our true enemies did.
You needed more people to die like the Soviet Union.
We broke your secret codes and read your mail. Then captured a near mint condition Zero in the Aleutians, fixed it, and gained combat data from test runs.
Not that hard to set up a killing blow afterwards.
we would have a glorious ice age if not for the geoengineering. The chem/contrails are creating a greenhouse effect that works hand in hand with both the forced migration of blacks into the Northern Hemisphere and the carbon tax scheme. Thanks jews!
When will this meme end? The nukes were barely a consideration, the real reason Japan surrendered was the USSR gearing up for invasion too.
>an naval invasion or starving them out was not achievable,
Your correct on the naval invasion point, but starving them out was completely feasible. You just needed the right climate. If you bombed their industry and ports their little island would become vulnerable and they would move more ships from the Mediterranean sea and troops from garrisons in Malta, Gibraltar, Cyprus, and Egypt. Not only that with dwindling food supplies the Egyptians would become more and more restless and would rebel the second time Cairo was in danger. Alas, this is all hind-sightedness, but it would be an ideal plan and people were advocating for it at the time, but other plans were more tempting.
>and not securing the french fleet intact- not like we ahd the oil to run them effectively anyway, we even struggled with the italian fleet already.
Yup. That's why you would need to continue to bomb Britain and their fleet, to loosen up their hold over the seas and allow you ships to go get supplies such as oil elsewhere.
you guys fucked up before Japan did with the Soviet invasion
keep in mind Japan was busy turning China into a meat grinder
Because you suck.
End of story.
you took the part about the USA getting into the war out of context, i meant that if we end up bombing their cities, which we would need to do if we want to bomb industrial centers and sea-airports. a few bombs will go wide or low and hit civilians, that was not avoidable with ww2 tech,even if you tried.
you also seem to underestimate how much supplies the british empire could get from india and south east asia. india alone would fuck our africa campaign over to reach the suez, which it did, with australians, south africans etc. we also didn't have such long range bombers to bomb the atlantic coast of england, so they would still have many ports to take those supplies in. invading malta is also unlikely, as the fleet in the mediterranean is not affected by what we do over england, they got their supplies from the asian and indian empire part over suez, which we cannot take. add to that the few bombs that hit civilians by accident, if we go by only tactical stuff and the british spirit wouldn't waver, like it happened.
the thing with getting oil elsewhere, there was no elsewhere but the soviet union, kaukasus fields. the oil industry in romania and the middle east, if we would even get there, was not enough to feed even 50% of what we needed. which is why we ran out of steam just weeks into barbarossa, we had barely any oil to keep going till the end of the war. we were then forced to only small scale offensives. europe was heavily dependent on the USA and russia for oil before the war and that didn't change, not even our synthetic oil could change that, as we also had a coal crisis, which we used for said stuff.
all in all, the war was lost right when it started, as we had no time for long term starving out britain and the soviets would declare war after 1941 anyway, even if we did not attack. their plan was after all to spread international communism everywhere. i would go on, but time to sleep for me, good night ameri bro, 5:40 AM here.
Serious answer Nip. The Japs did not take into account fire control on their carriers so when they got hit they burned. America had disaprine when it came to managing damage in order to continue fighting.
According to what we learn as a part of our training in the navy, the Navajo code talkers along with the breaking of your encrypted communications were major contributions to victory. If Midway or one of the other major naval battles had turned out difderently, you may have been successful in repelling the USA.
>you took the part about the USA getting into the war out of context, i meant that if we end up bombing their cities, which we would need to do if we want to bomb industrial centers and sea-airports. a few bombs will go wide or low and hit civilians, that was not avoidable with ww2 tech,even if you tried.
I understand that, but Hitler purposefully bombed English cities after the English bombed one of the German cities.
>you also seem to underestimate how much supplies the british empire could get from india and south east asia.
I realize that entirely, that is why taking the Suez Canal would be so vital.
> india alone would fuck our africa campaign over to reach the suez, which it did, with australians, south africans etc.
Yes, you failed the first time you tried, but I believe that if England's industry got bombed more than it already had they would begin to deprive their colonies of supplies causing revolts in Egypt and India, creating chaos.
>we also didn't have such long range bombers to bomb the atlantic coast of england, so they would still have many ports to take those supplies in.
Of course, but if you bombed Dover and Portsmouth and other areas with major shipbuilding industrial compacity their navy would get weaker, and if Germany focused on their navy instead of focusing on attacking the Soviet Union they could of beaten the British navy in the English Channel and North Sea with help from the air. Damaging their fleet and allowing you to blockade their Atlantic ports.
>they got their supplies from the asian and indian empire part over suez, which we cannot take.
Of course, but as I said before, if you bombed England more their need for supplies to maintain their military and continue to be able to have manufactured goods would of deprived their colonies of it, and revolts would occur and it would of been easier to take the Suez.
Cont..
Anglos have an underhanded way of dealing with threats. Look at the Indian Wars as a precursor to it's Pacific policy.
Robert David Steele, former CIA and marine corps intel founder, said that American launched 12 covert attacks against Japan in the run-up to Pearl Harbor. Of course, the oil embargo meant that they had limited options available, and attacking the Pacific Fleet seemed pre-requisite to seizing SEA oilfields.
None of the carriers were at Pearl harbor. Some say the U.S. knew the attack was coming. Midway was the battle to finish what Pearl Harbor started. The war ended that fateful day.
Had Japan seized oil fields without bomboing pearl harbor, had Japan industrialized 5-15 years more, we would all be speaking japanese and german.
They were stolen from the Germans.
add to that the few bombs that hit civilians by accident, if we go by only tactical stuff and the british spirit wouldn't waver, like it happened.
I'm not saying to never hurt civilians, but not to focus on that. Bombing London was useless, because it wasn't an industrial center, a business one and they can move that to the North, safe from bombs, with ease. If he instead focused on bombing places like Bristol, Hull, Coventry, Dover, or Birmingham and RAF bases you would see better results, with less bombing raids happening on your own cities, easier control of the air, a weaker navy, and more shipments from elsewhere.
>the thing with getting oil elsewhere, there was no elsewhere but the soviet union, kaukasus fields. the oil industry in romania and the middle east, if we would even get there, was not enough to feed even 50% of what we needed. which is why we ran out of steam just weeks into barbarossa, we had barely any oil to keep going till the end of the war. we were then forced to only small scale offensives. europe was heavily dependent on the USA and russia for oil before the war and that didn't change, not even our synthetic oil could change that, as we also had a coal crisis, which we used for said stuff.
The oil issue was quite the pickle. If you maintained better relations with the USSR perhaps they would of exported oil to you, you also have oil in places like Iran and Venezuela also which you could tap into if you were able to get a better navy and air force.
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all in all, the war was lost right when it started, as we had no time for long term starving out britain and the soviets would declare war after 1941 anyway, even if we did not attack. their plan was after all to spread international communism everywhere. i would go on, but time to sleep for me, good night ameri bro, 5:40 AM here.
Good night.
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* Biggest factors were oil for the fleet and steel to make new ships.
* Yamamoto's big mistake at Pearl Harbor was going after capital ships and not infrastructure. Had he bombed the fuel tanks and drydocks, I would have been far more crippling
* Attacking merchant ships was beneath the Japanese sub commander's dignity. They were also mostly used for fleet reconnaissance rather than allowed to hunt freely
* a few torpedos in the Panama Canal locks or even sinking a ship going in would've really bunged up things
>I mean, some people say that America had more industriy and resources
The USA economy was the size of that of the rest of the world combined in the 1930s. War is ultimately a numbers game.
Sure, the race is not always to the swift nor the battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet.
>The USA economy was the size of that of the rest of the world combined in the 1930s.
That's quite an exaggeration, but we certainly could kick the shit out of Japan in pure industry.
you lost because Europe was defeat , it was either loosing more lives and stay in a war until your country gets so exhausted a great depression would occur afterwards,plus the nagasaki and hiroshima really scared your leaders
Japan should have taken their armies from China.
Logistics
In order for the US to win all they needed to do was isolate the Japanese politically and economically and then fight them where they found them. In order for the Japanese to win they would have had to invade California and march all the way across the continent and dictate terms in the White House.
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Beautiful. If only Germany was this based.
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True, the japanese should have attacked Ussr, to keep the siberian armies tied in the east and ussr to not receive help from sua.
In a two front war ussr would have been destroyed then the japanese could have received oil and steel supplies via Transiberian railway.
If japan would have attacked Ussr instead of america the axis would have won. They had only one job, to not get america involved in the war and that`s exactly what they did.
I guess all non-whites are shitskins in the end.
because you ran out of oil?
why is that flag so aesthetic bro?
>Dont feel to bad my yellow skinned friend you still managed to kick the shit out of a fractured china.
>kicking a country in the middle of a civil war
>so honorabu!!
fuck you
Nationalist Japanese politicians and military leaders planned to make peace with the West after capturing the key territories Japan needed. They succeeded 100 pct in their military goals. And had peace talks set up (with England). Togo and his gang of globalist imperialists cancelled the peace talks and unilaterally decided to bomb the U.S. even though the generals who had thus far delivered 100pct of their objectives told him that was a stupid idea at that time and that they needed more time to prepare.
this. whites will ALWAYS be superior to gooks
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That's because the Japanese were expecting a maritime war (when they were having a severe oil shortage, too), where the US practiced island hopping. Your infantry and tactics weren't too good, to be quite honest. There was nothing you could have done, really.