In mid 2010s, the "alt right" ideas were new and not mainstream at all.
Race/IQ link, immigration threat, etc. ,etc. Every talking point was relatively unheard of amongst most of the population, and when it started to be talked about it was a breath of fresh air for most people who knew something was not right but couldn't put their finger on what it was.
Now, though, the ideas are relatively mainstream (even if most of the population is blue or purple pilled), and the overton window has massively shifted.
The thing is, now though, A) the talking points are becoming stale, B) we are now more reactionary, not pro active.
End result being, we need to start coming up with positive solutions not just black/red pills.
The risk is that the left will come in with their BS utopian socialistic "solution" and because its new and interesting (to the uninformed) people will be inspired and vote for that dream.
What is the rational right's equivalent?
What is the future that can be offered that can win elections?
There has to be a positive attainable future offered along with all the realism. If not, the lefts BS utopian dream will win elections with the blue pilled and purple pilled masses.
NatSoc/Ethnostate/Fascist, etc., might all be a great scenario but the population will never buy it.
What are realistic, plausible policies and goals that significant portions of the populations of western countries will vote for that make our lives and our children's lives better?
obvious starting point is 'sensible immigration reform'
Brandon Adams
Everybody has different needs. Y'all are still stuck at economic reform, security and immigration reform. Find you a cop candidate.
James Long
Agreed.
So what are some policies?
> meritocratic based immigration > deportation for any major crime (if possible) > penalties on parents for crime of underage offenders > some type of national service maybe? not necessarily military but something to discipline and unite people
still though, these are all "negative" feeling policies. What would be great is if we could figure out some kind of core message/future/dream/etc that can be offered to the voters, not just individual policies.
the socialist humanitarian utopian bs is BS but it feels good and it makes people inspired. What is the alternative to that which we can offer? As a sort of package? Not just "lets get tough on X"
John Lopez
As long as it's "reform" its not so inspiring to people. It needs to be an aspirational package future, like the socialist multicultural shit is
Nolan Cox
Niggers. Rightfully 12% of population, full American, but put their lot with commies and Jews, and brought on White Nationalism.
Again, that is what the "alt right" is tending to become, just a massive black/red pill repository. We know the problems now, but where are the solutions?
Benjamin Sanders
"reform" was a euphemism. I'm not so sure we need to have some aspirational package. There is a lot of anger and hate out there. Order and control seems more appealing.
Owen Reed
One solution the 'alt right' has largely ignored till now is forming neighbourhood political/lifestyle communities inside our towns and cities. I'm not talking about compounds out in the bush, but starting with a few sharehouses where nationalists can live together, then getting a handcrafts shop going and watching the media go beserk and use that to start more renthouses where guys share together. Eventually you'll have so many young nationalist males hanging around everyone else will recognise your claim to the area and voluntarily flee. Thats one solution on a local level that can be implemented immediately. All this talk about federal policies is putting the horse before the cart. Our opponents all have their own 'consciously black/muslim/gay/asian' communities operating. Us Whites don't. Lets start by talking about what the visual culture of such an area would look like.
Blake Sanchez
that's a great idea, with one major problem. any racial discrimination by a commercial entity is illegal.
even on ads for flatmates, "asians only", "women only", "muslims only", etc are commonplace, but "whites only" would cause an uproar and be prosecuted.
that said, I think that is a very viable project and should be done (carefully to avoid legal issues), but in the meantime, having a shared common "party line" to push would help us massively.
in 2016 when we all wanted trump to win, he did. same with brexit.
but to keep winning we need a shared general goal that is somewhat appealing to most of the population. i don't think that has been found/created really since 2016. Other than vague ideas towards being tough on X, anti socialist, anti immigration, etc.
Lucas Lopez
I agree that strict policies, etc., in some areas are a necessary component but doesn't there need to be some positive elements as well. A future that is attainable if we implement X policies.
Order and control are all well and good but it has to be all pointing towards some shared goal/ideal, otherwise the individual policies are too black pillish for most people to swallow
Benjamin Martinez
I don't know but you britbongs need too kick the muzz scum out of your country for a start. The burgers are working on the goblin problem too.
Robert Reyes
This. If WNs are to be anything more than a troll, we need to be doing something like this. I've tried to get something like this going, but it's an uphill battle. I live in Trump country and it's still like herding cats. White Americans are too prickly to band together in any meaningful way.
Aiden Thomas
Youre an autist. You don't make it explicit. You obviously have nationalist friends. You just network with them. 20 guys in 4 houses can change a neighbourhood.
Kevin Williams
nobody is ever going to vote for mass deportations and it will never happen. criminals, sure, but unfortunately, realistically, there will be a large minority of muslims, etc. best we can realistically hope for probably is something like denmark with forceful integration policies and a massive crackdown / "deradicalization" of mosques.
again, if the population won't vote for an idea its a non starter.
Camden Evans
We have to start making cultural items that normies can buy and thereby fund our alternate existance and community
Sebastian Smith
>Kikes kick off the alt right from the Internet from banks from sidewalks >derpy derp why do I only see the alti-right on Jow Forums kys
In terms of the mainstream of the population, yes.
Memes need novelty to keep spreading. Alt right is running out of novel memes, it needs to adapt to keep spreading
Zachary Cox
One large-scale goal is modification of the franchise. This is feasible without violent revolution, if done in the right way.
The problem is that once you have universal suffrage, every group will fight tooth and nail to keep the vote. However, you could move to a kind of proportional system. A novelist called Neville Shute proposed such a system in a book called In The Wet. Basically everyone 18+ starts off with one vote each. But then you can get more by doing certain "worthy" things, e.g.: * if you work and pay taxes for 10 years, you get another vote * if you complete a course of higher education you get another vote * if you serve at least 5 years in the military you get another vote * if you raise a child to age 16 you get another vote
And similarly, you can be punished for wrongdoing by loss of a vote.
(The Neville Shute book should prove popular with Jow Forums at any rate because of the name of the protagonist.)
Jaxson Morgan
Interesting proposal and could possibly be accepted by voters maybe.
Another interesting one is liquid voting. Basically that means that I can give my vote to someone else and so on and so forth, meaning that less politically inclined people place their faith in people they trust and so on up the chain.
Hudson Sanders
diversity + proximity = conflict
realistically you don't actually need to do anything, it will happen by itself.
The (((globalists))) went way, way, way too far with their human replacement schemes. Pushing further right is a necessity of survival, not some talking point of pills and strategies.
Chase Davis
Yes absolutely but coming up with strategies and packages that voters are likely to accept is definitely helpful to the cause of the right not unhelpful.
Shitposting on pol and telling the odd person about crime rates of X is less effective than having implementable policies that will also make people hopeful and aspire towards for the future
Wyatt Williams
Its tough to find something that fits everybody. Are you looking for something for Jow Forums or the Anglos or the UK? Do you want to focus on England?
Gabriel Green
what the pic related thot doesnt understand is that in 10 centuries all the niggers will become white when their melanin adjusts to the weaker sun in the northern hemisphere. women should be enslaved in the kitchen
Eli Smith
We sort of have a system like that in the UK and I assume other countries already, it's only meant to be used for people who can't vote because they're out of the country or disabled in some way, but I've seen it used by people who are very politically active nagging their friends and family who don't really care about politics to let them vote on their behalf.
Julian Collins
Ideally most policies/proposals would be shared across countries, but there would need to be differences too.
I guess what I'm getting at is things like the magna carter, the constitution, etc. are powerful. Even Marxism, or civil rights. "Manifestos"... packages of ideas or goals are memetically powerful.
If pol and other alt right/lite characters could come up with some kind of vague shared goals and push them I think we could make a lot of progress.
Right now its basically devolved into black pilling or red pilling people, not offering a realistic attainable different future
Christopher Sanchez
What about we just make a fake left wing HWNDU camera and watch the alt lite and alt right reunite around it?
Nicholas Thompson
so more trolling basically? sure thats fun but is that really impactful?
Julian Johnson
Whatever you come up with will be hi-jacked And possibly this thread will make that easier to do. I dont know the answer, Perhaps the majority of people are stupid and have no original ideal outside of racism which is the trump card of the left, I'd say that perhaps we should concentrate on ejecting low IQ sufferagettes
Henry Bailey
Hijacked how? There's nothing to hijack right now because there's no message, no shared goal.
The government is an absolute mess, society has so many problems, and there is a whole load of rational improvements and corrections, but nobody has come up with a viable set of policies that we can advocate for and spread
Then we need to roll back to the Enlightenment in mindset I think. Those guys managed to sell the populations on those ideas we all care about. Our current systems are basically those ideals with a bunch of miscellaneous stuff glued onto them anyway. Maybe not repeat them but emulate them but with the benefit of hindsight. I know immigtation and assimilation were hot topics even then.
You want an 18th century walnut desk, I want an 18th century walnut desk so how do we get rid of stabby niggers so we can get our desks.
Jack Gomez
IIRC, that girl was murdered.
Jack Butler
Niggers require 4 times the amount of sunlight to get the same amount of vitamin D as whites. If they stay in europe, they will get rickets.
Austin Evans
I wonder how many NEETS get rickets.
Lucas Long
it's a nice idea, but it sounds a bit gay. People definitely need to develop their group identity and communities the same way other groups do though
Evan Russell
At the moment, its not necessary to think like 5 years ago. People can now see the deliberate HUMAN REPLACEMENT strategy of the (((globalists))) and that there is nothing beautiful about turning Europe into Arabia.
Here's a suggested "talking point" for you and why "HUMAN REPLACEMENT" is capitalized.... use that phrase when discussing immigration, affirmative action, migrants, diversity, multiculturalism, etc. wherever you go.
Alexander Morris
like what? Who wants to buy cultural items
Oliver Brooks
Yeah I know it sounds ghay but guess what boyo those faggots were illegal until 1984 then the power of their community based powerbases got the laws changed.
You have to have something to offer people - even your die hard fans. Only 01% run on oure idealism. Sexual partners, employement, accomdation, cultural item production, branch stacking, courrpting of the local council with block voting - thats what a real community offers as opposed to internet ppl larping about rolling back the enlightenment and big federal immigration tier policies haha
Camden Campbell
No it started a viable subculture and theirfore a viable base for a community. It attracted likeminded people and made the normie leftists flee. Thats a real culture
Angel Murphy
People travel thousands of miles overseas and interstate to visit areas of cultural significance. Normies travelled to San Fransico in the 60s to buy badly made hippie crafts like blankets and dresses. With the eCommerce sites and an intergrated PR campaign itd be even easier today. The WN dollar market is fkn huge. You know MILO sold over 8000 tickets in Australia on his last tour at a minimum of $100 each.
Colton Moore
tax the shit out of the rich campaign finance reform shore up social services beef up regulations cut the israel, ahem military budget save the right from (((itself)))
Logan Cruz
Youre a sperg we dont even control a neighbourhood
Gavin Anderson
What the right needs to do is three things
1. Offer practical solutions. This is the rights biggest strength. Lefties (especially SJWs and socialist) are always coming up with pies in the sky ideas. The right needs to give a counter option that makes the lefts ideas look dumb, which is very easy and effective.
2. Win the little battles. Like wealth, power and culture are created bit by bit. This is how the left has got so far, it wasn’t through massive revolutions but little victories and playing the long game. The right needs to think long term and win the little victories and consolidate them effectively.
3. Keep jolly. The renaissance of the right has only happened because the left has become so serious and anti humour and fun. The young right needs to keep distancing itself from neocon boomers and biblebashers and remain the fun relaxed memeing machine it has been. For example, This included being able to laugh at dumb shit trump does while still standing by him being a better option than Hillary.
Levi Cruz
I think the biggest fear of many non SJW left leaning people is the rights lack of any interest in social safety nets. They see the right as self serving capitalist
Mason Rivera
>In mid 2010s, the "alt right" ideas were new >In terms of the mainstream of the population, yes. Is there a film about your shitposting in the internet? However there's a 1989 (sic!) American thriller film about neo-Nazi skinheads.
You don't even know the history of your host country, ahmed.
Wyatt Morgan
Even just clubs to form a local community culture would be a great start.
The right has a decent community presence online but it needs to translate to the real world outside political rallies and events
Adam Gray
Very good post user
Jacob Lewis
And in non spergy ways
Robert Howard
What we can start advocating for in government is Rational immigration reform. Not white ethnostate level or anything just maintaining our majority in the nation and preserving our culture/way of life.
What we can start advocating for in society is for white families and the idea that it is okay to be white. Have children and remember who you are.
The latter we've made a good amount of progress on, I think. But we can't larp and think that such a large group of people will be okay with doing anything other than having a family and living a relatively simple life. Pitching bold ideas will only get you so far. We need to provide realistic short and long-term solutions as well to the everyday white man, woman, and child.
Evan Kelly
Absolutely.
Ideally it would be something people could bring their partners and children to, so obvious not some niche NEET convention. The whole point of it would be to be accessible so it could grow
William Stewart
Forming clubs, communities, etc is the right path. Archimedes is famous for the quote: Give me a place to stand on, and I will move the Earth. Of course what he meant was: in principle with a large enough lever and a place to stand the strength needed to move even something as heavy as the Earth would be possible. What it means in our context is this: Even a single neighbourhood, where our poster festoned every telegraph pole, every wall was our murals, every shop was under our control or neutral, the local pub was ours every day and night, would be a single place that OUR values burnt a 24/7 permanent hole in the liberal fabric of our society. And you need to focus on a single place becasue a magnifying glass only burns a hole if it stays still on the newspaper
Cameron Brown
I've been saying this for a while. The right needs a 'dream'. The ethnostate talk is a good start, but it needs to be sold. What will make it great?
Leo Rivera
>What will make it great? The fact that it won't have niggers.
