housing politics is connected to society and very much pol-itics. here Ill expose the (((construction industry))) and tips Ive noticed on how to choose/build a house unheard before from your (((real estate agent))).
also this is not an anti-american thread, so dont worry, I love america, v8, apple pie and big tits! Seriosuly, my country might be a shithole, but please yanks listen, you can learn a lot about home construction from yuropoors. Ill use self deprecating anti-croat masterrace humour, all for the good of white people and independence.
>will produce no permanent improvement to our country while the unhappy prejudice prevails that houses of brick or stone are less wholesome than those of wood … A country whose buildings are of wood can never increase in its improvements to any considerable degree. Their duration is highly estimated at 50 years. Every half century then our country becomes a tabula rasa, whereon we have to set out anew, as in the first moment of seating it. Whereas when buildings are of durable materials, every new edifice is an actual and permanent acquisition to the state, adding to its value as well as to its ornament.
Thomas Jefferson
>cheapest possible wood >not even joint framed wod beams but with nails >mcSlab insted of deep foundationsđ >tar on wall instead of basic terracota tile since shitty framing cant support the weight >shit it all up with some cancer inucing and expensive poly foam insulation
this is not how its suposse to be done, good wooden house should easily last a 100 years. dogshit!
PS- req a nobel soul to create an infographic from these posts
All walls need to "breath" enough so that moisture will never be trapped anywhere. Modern building materials used by contractors are the worst ones to use. They trap moisture and cause problems that ensure job security for the contractors. Vapor barriers rot houses from the inside out simply from bodily perpetration and cooking moisture. Using vapor barriers requires a host of other support systems to ensure the entire thing actually works just enough to keep contractors from getting sued quickly. That's the main reason why you have extremely old masonry houses and castles still doing well today, yet there are so many modern masonry houses that are falling apart, yet both are well kept and not neglected by their occupants.
>I've been strongly considering using a cincerblock filled with sand or a used tire packed with dirt method for building a house.
consider cordwood, cinberblock is strong but not good isolator, depends on the climate in the end
>3 foot thick foundation >cinderblocks with rebar inside them, and then filled with mortar >2nd cinderblock wall with rebar inside, filled with sand(this is my outside wall) >both walls painted with that heavy duty truck bed liner >steel roof, also painted with heavy duty truck bed liner
Gabriel Lopez
Ideally I will build into the side of a hill from my house, and the side of the hill should provide a more stabilized temp the deeper I go. I live in Kentucky, we have very dense clay and limestone.
Mason Ortiz
>1st principle - BREATHABILITY
DO NOT PUT TYVEK OR THIS FOAM SHIT ON WALLS IN CAUSES ASTHMA AND ITS CANCEROUS AF
EVERYTHING THEY DO TODAY IS WRONG, AIRPROOFING A HOUSE MEANS MOISTURE PROBLEMS UNLESS CONSTANTS HVAC 0:40 youtube.com/watch?v=E0zPn0D_q6I
all materials need to have similar physical property's for example a house from bricks with lime mortar is going to last forever because lime mortar and bricks have similar stretch and flex. now that house gets repaired with cement mortar because its faster and cheaper and the repaired wall is going to get many cracks because concrete is much harder than lime and harder than the bricks.
same with timber construction houses which wood survived the rain for more years than the USA is old get a new coat of paint. the people use new latex waterproof extra chemical paint and the wooden beams are compost after 20 years.
why? because MC Paint is going to get a small crack and traps moisture behind it and because its water tight it can never leave the wood until your house collapses.
PS-fuck McConstructors killing it all with McPaint and McTyvek wraps
pic rel - notice that its framed by joinery and not by steel screws. that house will last +100 years
Alpine houses are exemplary, can you do an inforgraphic, dropping more infos...
A lot of people don't know this but Roman based clay architecture can last a very long time and has natural lighting. Air flow is easily attained too.
Learn how to heat clay and mold what you want, I can produce a two bedroom house every two or three days depending on weather. Plumbing is also pretty simple but requires a little bit more time and also requires water vase next to shit hole. I'm a Paleolithic kind of guy.
Just like God creates man with a brain that floats within the skull in spinal fluid to embrace the impact, house need to do the same. Think judo, embrace the attack, dont fight it heads on.
Earth moves constatnly and McConcrete breakes, McRebar gets wet and enhances braking of McConcrete. Stone foundations are "flexible" that is why they last so long. Similar principle goes with stone/brick walls.
>Roman based clay architecture can last a very long time and has natural lighting. Air flow is easily attained too.
also read above, we absolutly need to revive dry stone masonry and roman concrete needs to be rediscovered
The jew fears the man that doesnt live in the mcmansion
Nathaniel Nelson
>Ideally I will build into the side of a hill from my house, and the side of the hill should provide a more stabilized temp the deeper I go. I live in Kentucky, we have very dense clay and limestone.
be carefull when building on the side of the hill - I suggest against it unless the hill is rocky.
Regarding temperature of the ground, make it work in your favour - e.g. stone house with stone foundations gets cooler in summer since ground is cooler than surface, while in winter ground is warmer than the surface.
>The jew fears the man that doesnt live in the mcmansion
>1st principle - BREATHABILITY >2nd principle - SIMILAR PHISICAL PROPERTIES >3rd principle - INBUILT "FLEX" / IMPACT ABSORBTION >4th – HAT and BOOTS
all these principles are intertwined, but when you look at mega construction that survived 1000-2000 years, they all hit those marks.
pic rel - 2000yo roman bridge. All stone and roman cement (!). Roman cement is deliberatly softer, 10x less strong than modern to not destroy the stone blocks.
what the fuck is this thread and what does building a fucking house have to do with international politics
Adam Gomez
What about living in an actual cave?
Alexander Taylor
reinforced concrete is actually a fragile material. why?
1st - it "breathes" which means that water can enter concrete and come out, issue is with steel within it 2nd - you mix 2 totally different material with different spreading rates 3rd - its not "stretchy" on impact
Living off the grid basically means changing social politics. It's not relying on money but also reaping the benefits of a modernized country.
David King
Several cabins in our California National Forests are still standing 100+ years later, still with the roof. The problem is 1 and 1/2 inch "2 inch" boards and cheapest wall panels they can find. There is a lodge-style bar in my small mountain town made of stone and Incense Cedar. Even the liquor license is over a hundred years old, from before the county was incorporated.
Easton Peterson
Building regulations mean you need insulation, how do you get around this?
Jeremiah Wright
>wat? a wooden building with stone underneath? >no McSlabbing and stands still for centuries? I must have some hidden McRebar >no way that thing can survive without McWaterproof laque >how do you mean it doesnt have tar flamed all over the roof? how else would it survived more than 20 years?
Several cabins in our California National Forests are still standing 100+ years later, still with the roof.
Wood cabins can last from 100-500 years, but they dont have nothing to do with wood framing McMansions are built around
But Prefabricated Houses are literally superior to custom houses, as they have to be made to standard to multiple state and federal codes
Jonathan Ortiz
>Several cabins in our California National Forests are still standing 100+ years later, still with the roof.
wood is a great building material, but problem is that savages destroy it with nails, laquer and Tyvek + isolation which means wood cant breathe naturally >STEM Hate Thread
you think that the state of trades is free from declinining? most of the field is a total scam creating china level ugliness.
>what do these alpine homes do for insulation?
wooden log walls + small rooms to be heated easily. that is literally all you need. simple stuff noone suggests when they try to selly you tyvek and asthma inducing isolation.
My grandpa build a cabin in the Alps in the 1970s with his own hands. He had been a mining engineer and had to retire early due to health issues. The cabin is awesome, actually has one floor over the lower floor and is built towards the mountain. Originally didn’t have any electricity and water came from a nearby stream... had to be heated over the stove for washing, which was awesome.
seriosuly yanks, use brick + reinforced concrete. Its faster and cheaper to build that building the (wrong kind of) wood frame. Good wood house is better than Croatian shitshack, but everything beats mcmansions durability.
>"Great rooms" big open houses are shit to live in.
Redpill me on tyvek The thing I hate most about modern houses is they make the walls too thin, becuase that is the easiest way to save on shipping/harvesting and building material costs. Walls and foundation should have very thick strong walls, which give you a lasting base
I would pay for someone to teach me how to build a log cabin.
Right now we live in an apartment but my life loves Little House on the Prairie. I think if I built an actual log cabin without electricity or running water she would consider living in it
We would need to live by a running stream though
Taking man away from nature was a mistake and modern society because takes you away from everything that is real and good
Daniel Thompson
>those are not sleeping spaces. I know, they make those whole house noseiy as fuck though, this might surprise you but 80% of the time in a fmaily you are doing your own shit. Even if you spend almost evening together. And it means sound will carry everywhere
Filling it with sand is that dumb as building a plywood house.
> bye bye to the little insulation you had from the air kept in. > sand will allso keep humidity and you will have to deal with your kind of bullshit.
Levi Brooks
>loves Little House on the Prairie. The book or the show? Red the book, off the grid living is super brutal, and you are still going to need to buy tons of things to survive, which means your next generation of your family is going to be poor as shit. See the Appalachia hillbillies for more information
Ayden Phillips
Thanks for debunking my plan
Am only know how to build mcmansions
Xavier Robinson
>they make the walls too thin, becuase that is the easiest way to save on shipping/harvesting and building material costs. Walls and foundation should have very thick strong walls, which give you a lasting base
not only that, they give you natural isolation, look how thicc Proennekes cabin walls are in O P pic, he lived in alaska that way.
>Tyvek
total oversell you actually need if you have thin walls. Its like Gore-tex compared to Leather boots. Good while it works but it doesnt work for long and when it stops working it enhances the rotting of wood >All walls need to "breath" enough so that moisture will never be trapped anywhere. Modern building materials used by contractors are the worst ones to use. They trap moisture and cause problems that ensure job security for the contractors.
holy tr ips confirm the total God-tier of Alpine houses. Notice the ultra wide roof to protect the walls from water.
>I would pay for someone to teach me how to build a log cabin.
Thomas Elper has dirtcheapbuilder . c o m mostly slipstorm masonry, but there must be more on log houses somewhere.
>build an autist house that doesn't pass code inspection and you'll be barred from ever living in - the post
Adam Long
You can get accoustic walls, dummy. the framing is capable of withstanding category 5 hurricanes. This Croatian is off his rocker
Joshua Johnson
>Drywall and wood is stupid as fuck drywall is one of the most important modern inventions >nobody makes good foundations anymore those foundations are tested to ensure they withstand at least 4000 psi. i think thats plenty
Joseph Mitchell
I like these threads very much, please keep up with it
We both have jobs and we aren't trying to live 100% in da woods off the grid.
We just want a small house without debt and I want a little bit of land in case shit gets crazy and I can farm or have some animals as an emergency fall back.
It would be great to have a cabin but also connect it to a solar system and have a backup gas generator
Eli Phillips
Use permeable insulation. Fibreglass is an example, but more enviro-conscious products are available.
James Scott
>barn house with sheet metal
sheet metal roof? You better hope that you dont get rain or ice, why not terracota? Also that house you posted has too small roof and this walls so it probably needs isolation (=more cost). roof should "dominate" the walls like a hat in order to protect them from rain/ice damage. pic rel
>drywall is one of the most important modern inventions >those foundations are tested to ensure they withstand at least 4000 psi. i think thats plenty
>Thanks for debunking my plan >Am only know how to build mcmansions
Pic related , this kind of french traditional house coast arround 1200-1500€ /m2keys in hand ( everything finish and furnished in out of the kitchen )
if you want a passiv/ blioclimatic house it's more like 2000€/ m2 m2 is arround 9 square feet if i remember correctly.
Those are cinder block classic or brick, with a basement most of time with some water reppelent on the outside of the basement. Classical tile on the roof.
thoses kind of houses are warranty without maintenance for almost 50 years minimum as long you put some chlore on it time to time if you get a side on the north and than shit is growing on. even if the contractor warranty them 10 years. tiles warranty goes from 30-50 year warranty , copper plumbing is more than that.... work noble material. you will have a house who pass out your generation.
you need isolation to get permit? news to mean, but someone is getting rich if true. construction is corrupt af.
>Thanks for debunking my plan
fill every 10th cinder or concrete block (concrete block are stronger than cinder blocks btw) with concrete and rebar if you want really strong or do the "croatian shitshack" which is also strong af
>Oy vey goy! Hello. >that's a real nice log cabin you got >be a real shame if someone... assessed it > >what's that? You can't afford property taxes? Looks like you don't have the privilege of this log cabin! The county has confiscated it. You no longer own it or your land! Stupid goyim. Don't you know schools need that money? Because of your greed, you get nothing! Thanks for the log cabbin!
Jason Fisher
iirc, Borgund stavechurch is over 800 years old. It's almost entirely made of wood and it's painted with tar every two year. It's an amazing work of architectural art.
Lincoln Mitchell
stone or wood walls, which is more beautiful?
>and it's painted with tar every two year.
I missed that part, I didnt mean literal tar paint, but the modern shit they flame on the walls, that green thin tile looking layers which are horrible and are often on mcmansions instead of terracota tiles, what is that called?
Everyone should try to build their own home with cash. Even if it takes several years. Think about how much you won’t be paying to (((them))) in interest.
do you know that kind of tar do the use in order not to damage wooded roof tiles?
>Everyone should try to build their own home with cash. Even if it takes several years
that is how poorer people do it here, rich people are too stupid and dont consider it suave enought and instead do a mortage...also lad, why didnt you stone foundation instead of just venner?
the only way you can work around the principle of Hat&Boots is if you overdo the boots i.e. do the stonewall house. Only in that scenario you can do a smaller "hat", which isnt the case if you do an Alpine house with woodlog walls.
thanks, I feel like this is a topic most of us need.
>that is how poorer people do it here, rich people are too stupid and dont consider it suave enought and instead do a mortage...also lad, why didnt you stone foundation instead of just venner?
I'aint rich , not that stupid ... at it would be stupider to rent my whole life ...
still hard to build a house with the little knowledge i have and when you are at work 8 hours a days ...
also cinderblock as basement / foudation aren't bad as long put water reppelant on it, some have nearly a century now ...
Xavier Miller
Very true bro. I need to build myself a nice house to live in somewhere. How long would you say it would take to build a modest house by yourself?
Just forget to told you , than stone isn't life proof either , if water staying near the foudation , shroom might attack it as well just like wood or concret ...
John Thomas
terracota is nice and good point about the roof, Im hoping to use metal for the whole structure, due to the durability and cost.
Thomas Lee
>Alpine houses are exemplary, can you do an inforgraphic, dropping more infos... My father and grandfather built one (I was too young then). I will have to spend one or two evenings with them to discuss the topic before I'm able to contribute. But I will gladly do so.
I was going to point that out Who the fuck wants to tar thier house every two years? Btw a lot of very old buildings are like that, they pretend they have lasted forever, but they rebuild them or do repairs during the off season almost nobody knows about and pretend it is still old.
Kayden Anderson
I remember watching some architect historian talk about exterior walls and rain protection, never realized how damaging water can be over time.
Michael Cruz
I unfortunately am not able to make an infographic right now so I hope somebody will make it from this thread. Good thread.
Ayden Torres
>also cinderblock as basement / foudation aren't bad as long put water reppelant on it
sure, it can work out, but nothing beats stone foundation...proper ones.
If Im not mistaken, Romans built their basements from dry wall stone, but they used a lot of gravel underneath to act as a drainage, that is why their basements never got wet...what a forward thinking solution!
>than stone isn't life proof either , if water staying near the foudation
It isnt indeed...if you dont do it properly. If you do stone foundations properly, theyll last +1000 years. Noone said water control was easy.
this is the main thing , draining water out of nearly your house.
and ventilate it as well. rock need to breath as well somehow to lost their humidity.
>sheet metal roof? You better hope that you dont get rain or ice, why not terracota?
Zinc roofing job as paris one are warranty up 70 years ... copper one are 100 years ... so it's not bad at all , even if tiles can do it as well as long you don't let grow shit on them.
Carter Mitchell
does that have like materials?
Colton Harris
0/10 would not buy
Tyler Rivera
Built to standard mcmansion protocol
Cooper Butler
Why :(
Tyler Campbell
What is that white material in the walls of these kinds of houses?
Brayden Moore
Bear in mind this autistic croat is in no way a carpenter, just another autist on the internet. Some of the things he says are half right, but he doesn't have any experience doing actual construction.
Cooper Perez
>Im hoping to use metal for the whole structure
use it just for the roof if you dont have a choice - remember Hats&boots.
>How long would you say it would take to build a modest house by yourself?
smth like "croatian shitshack" can be built within 1-2 years easily with a help of friends >I will have to spend one or two evenings with them to discuss the topic before I'm able to contribute. But I will gladly do so.
pls do! They seem like an affordable and intelligent solution to the harsh elements.
>I remember watching some architect historian talk about exterior walls and rain protection
but also notice how much of an underengeneering and overdesinging idiots most architect are. Instead of doing stuff structurally good first, they just first create smth "pretty" and then add structural layers. totally anti-untilitarian, complex and expensive.
pls do later if you find time friend. God bless!
>R8 my mcmansion
if you own it fully right now, you have a house, that is most important, no need to be snobs.
We have building codes over here unlike you barely civilized apes.
Nathan Brooks
age 47 no mortgage own 10 acre lot
if i get a loan to build my own house, am i stupid to be in debt the rest of my life, but live in something of my own creation?
Benjamin Butler
>no walls/gate for security >color scheme is weak and uncozy >plastic siding >assuming you cropped the photo cuz you have nieghbors within 1 mile of your home >oval window is hidious >weak unsymmetrical foliage >no helipad >no moat >no draw bridge >placed plants directly in front of various windows >brickwork on the "spire" is uneven and potruding Wow man are you really happy with this for almost 40% of a million bucks?
Connor Phillips
Thats my daughters room she wanted to be a princess
Ethan Sanchez
No i mean youre right i have no taste at all
P.s. regularly get 500k+ offers for the house
Brayden Bennett
Great, another spoiled women. J/king that’s sweet I guess
Grayson Carter
>STEM hate Look some of us here are intelligent and interesting in doing things other than glorified ditch digging.
Isaac Wood
Do you even know what a footing is? You know, the three feet of concrete underneath the slab where there is a load bearing wall?
My last house was wooden construction, similar to the one in your picture, except it had a fieldstone foundation. Twas built in 1865 and still going strong in 2018. Sold it at a profit even.
Liam Cooper
>Twas built in 1865 and still going strong in 2018. Sold it at a profit even. Based and redpilled.
