Just how fucking dumb do you have to be to invent the nuclear bomb?

I agree with you when you say that the mere existence of the nuclear bomb will probably bring about the destruction of the world as we know it. I don't agree when you say that non-American countries having nukes is a bad thing. It's the only thing delaying the final catastrophe.

I never said it was bad for other countries to have it.

Someone would have done it. Gotta be first. The Americans could have disarmed and forged an international agreement to stop developing them forever, but a disgusting Commie shithead spy gave all the designs from the Manhattan Project to the USSR.
>McCarthy was right

A death by a thousand cuts and a death by a single stroke ultimately yields the same results, only one is far more economical.

The Nuclear Dharma is the ultimante yāna (vehicle in Sanskrit) given by the Atomic Buddha to humanity.
The main goal is, similarly to classic Buddhist Dharma, to end the suffering of all sentient beings and to make them archieve the state of Nirvana thus ending the endless cycle of rebirth (Samsara).

But the main goal of this apocalyptic cult is not to slowly gain karmic merits like in the classical traditions but, like in the esoterical practices of Vajrayana (Diamond Vehicle), to directly archieve Nirvana in this life.
To do so the Buddha itself ordered for the final tantric technique of utterly annihilating the planet earth to the ground with the power of atomic bombs.
In fact, eliminating all life on earth would immediatly end the samsaric cycle and all beings will reborn in the Pure Nuclear Land where the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas will teach them the holy Dharma thus making them ensure the Nirvana.
Meanwhile, Maitreya( the last Buddha to appear on earth) will meditate upon the radioactive ashes of the world, reaching the ultimate understanding of the impermanence and vacuity of all things (Śūnyatā).

As the Neutronkavatara Sutra said:

"A special transmission outside the scriptures
Not founded upon words and letters;
By pointing directly to one's disintegration
It lets one see into one's own true atomic nature and thus attain to be totally nebulized from the planet"

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We aren't talking about cuts and strokes. We're talking about reality. Don't misuse allegory you Swedish faggot.

That’s just not how it played out.

Radiation was a known phenomenon for a while, but it took a while for its mechanism of action to be understood.

It was more of a curiosity and most people didn’t believe it was possible to create a chain reaction with it to generate energy.
Then neutrons were discovered and we finally understood the nature of isotopes.

At that point it became apparent that a chain reaction was possible and immediately the consequences of that were realized by scientists everywhere. Within weeks the Nazis started working on a bomb and soon after the allies began to as well.
Whoever got there first would win the war. If a scientist had objections, they would find someone else.

The goal: to create a weapon to end all war.
That was the mindset back then in the military. Chemical weapons weren’t originally meant to be terroristic, they were supposed to create no-mans land to try and reduce overall casualties. With nuclear the goal of world peace between powers was realized

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can some physicsfag or Jow Forumsommando tell me why we stop advancing weaponry? like we reached nukes and the nothing more destructive since. i understand that nukes blow a lot of shit up and aren't really practical as the area becomes uninhabitable etc but why don't we have lasers and almost ayyyyy-like devices for killing each other?

>Japan
deserved it
>Japan again
because they weren't listening the first time
>Cuban missile crisis
the Soviets started it

We do.

It's actually EXACTLY how it played out and you can't refute it. You're posing the inevitability of it, but not addressing what I actually asked, if you even read it.

It’s the international norm to not weaponize space. Space lasers are just not economical to build and someone could shoot it down as it would probably be a large structure. You can only use orbits in particular ways so if would be a challenge to use it in targeted quick responses.

Nukes have become more efficient (smaller) and more tactical.
It went from having to fly a b-52 over your target to trident missiles. A single trident missile is fired from a submarine which then enters a partial low earth orbit and from there it deploys upto 17 nukes onto that many targets.

read this
newyorker.com/magazine/1946/08/31/hiroshima
(about a small shitty nuclear bomb that wasn't even all that powerful)
and tell us what the fuck more you could possibly want from a weapon
>but The New Yorker
it's from 1946, when The New Yorker wasn't quite as shit as it is now.

You act as though that's a bad thing.

two words

PEARL
HARBOR

Fuck the atomic bomb, because of them we cannot have fucking wars anymore, nnd i am not trying to be ironic, you try to invade something a.d you will have a fucking atomic bomb over head, the atomic bomb cucked us beyond repararion. I want a fucking old school war, I want a simple war, I want a world war. A war that will have a major impact will never happen because of the nukes. It us over, the atomic bomb was the begining of the end. The day the atomic bomb was created was the first day of the rest of our civilization's life.

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Nobody is going to destroy the entire planet, that would be retarded. People have self interests, especially powerful people who control the arsenal.

The Cold War was just a convenient excuse for the powers that be. The communists in Russia could use it to justify their authoritarianism and make Americans look evil. The business leaders of America used it to push fear and conflate paying taxes with communism to justify their consolidation of wealth in the newly minted super-power, America.

That’s the real danger of nukes. Fear driven policy designed to fuck over the little helpless man

>We do.
really? or do you mean secret projects?

see that amazes my pleb ass. you fire 1 missile and i literally goes almost into space then out pop a lot of nukes to rain down on their targets. it's like something out of a james bond movie to me.

that's what i mean tho. way back in the day the 1st nukes we had were very powerful and killed a shit ton of people (even tho they weren't really powerful compared to todays obviously). and what i'm asking is what they would of done next. like we know what nukes do, so why didn't we come up with a thing that kills all the people and doesn't poison the rest of us with fallout etc. or a device that just nullified attack like a force field shield or something.

>Nobody is going to destroy the entire planet, that would be retarded.

You operate on the false assumption that humans can be trusted, while even now there were multiple VERY VERY VERY close instances where if but a thread had been made lose we would all be dead.

You operate under the guise of intellectualism but you are very poorly versed in the history of this. Read into the Cuban Missile Crisis and Stanislav Petrov.

if you don't invent the stick with a nail in it the other guy will anyway

There is no greater drive in this world than defeating your rival. You wont deny anything that will help you because you know that your rival certainly wont give up on it. Refuse building the bomb due to some concerns? Well, your opponent didnt, and now he has this bomb and you have only your morals and your limp dick, and in next moment you are no longer his rival but his bitch. Checking out of arms race is basically instant capitulation, may as well just disarm your army and ask them to come have you.

>scientists working on the atomic bomb never stopped to think
They were fully aware of the risk. But their options were to press on and be the ones with that power, or to stop and wait for someone else to inevitably be the one with that power over them.

Not inventing a thing doesn't prevent it from existing you absolute troglodyte.

The Nazis built nuclear weapons and didn't use them. Also:

>thinking slavs would naturally figure out how to build nukes

>thousand times over
You are giving nuclear weapons and the number that are publicly listed to exist way too much credit.

Oppenheimer tried to poison one of his grade school teachers with arsenic, he wasn't the most rational guy.

He also married a lesbian and they had lots of threesomes.

Counter point
The world would be way better if we had have WWIII

>muh if I don't do it someone else will fallacy

Essentially saying, "I was just following orders."

Guess what nigger, if we don't nuke the Earth, someone else will, so why don't we get on that?

>how could the same slavs that discovered electricity, sent the first man in the space and are the ones that control the most labd out of all the races and subraces ever on top of thousand of ibventions and diacoveries ever invent something like a nuke right?

They certainly would have used them if they completed them before losing a war. Hitler stated that defeat will most likely be the end of Germans as people, do you really thing they wouldnt have resorted to nukes to prevent it if they had said nukes fully operational?

They also were seriously worried that the bomb could ignite the gaseous layers of the atmosphere, and then proceeded to conduct a live test of it.

(((The Manhattan Project))) was created by jewz to keep goyim in perpetual debt. (((Usury))).

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Care to explain, why exactly is it fallacy? Because looks more like expected turn of events.

The nukes WERE fully operational and the tech they possessed was far beyond your feeble comprehension of it.

They chose NOT to use them. And incase you weren't aware, due to your lax knowledge of history, they still exist, and they have technology that is far better than any jet known to man.

I am truly tired of arguing with knowledgelets who think they know squat about history.

Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, that they didn't stop to think if they should - Ian Malcom

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You’re right. My entire view does rely on “trusting” people, but I think I have good reason to even if it’s just a presumption.
Between random heroes doing the right thing and people’s self interest to stay alive, I think we will be okay. If I’m wrong it doesn’t really matter because we will all be dead and there won’t be any history left to document it.

Nuclear tech will only get more mundane with time, the bomb isn’t going anywhere. Luckily between infrared satellite imagery and the new field of neutrino astronomy, someday soon every single meaningful consolidation of nuclear material on the planet will known.
We may have already reached that point and the government just hasn’t revealed that publicly

I thought you said he wasn’t rational

It is the false assertion that one must do a morally reprehensible act to prevent another from doing the same act, and probably worse, which is used as justification for doing that act.

Just as if you were one of the last senators to stab Caesar before he died. You knew you'd kill him in doing so, but if you didn't, someone else will. They willfully chose to engage in great evil, perhaps some of the greatest evil this world has seen. And those that told the tale after did not try to use such irrational justifications for what they did, but instead tried to curtail the ramifications.

>Just how fucking dumb do you have to be to invent the nuclear bomb?
>how fucking dumb
yes

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What is this coming from? Do you have a source of any kind or is this just autism and/or schizophrenia?

He (along with all the scientists) were under 24/7 surveillance, phones tapped etc, the government were sure some were double agents. Oppenheimer himself was likely a literal communist, and was active with Spanish Loyalists in the Spanish civil war.

>Between random heroes doing the right thing and people’s self interest to stay alive, I think we will be okay.
You say that on a board which is filled with people who talk about suicide every day. And if not suicide, total destruction. Sure, you can say that they are memeing, but many are not. Now can you name a single day of browsing this board without seeing this things? I'd wager not.

Now if you knew the end goal to the elites' plans, you'd not be so optimistic either. We already know they seek our total annihilation, and do not think they will not find the means to see it through, or attempt to.

This peace will not, and cannot last. It is likely even in our lifetimes it won't. But hey, as long as you trust the Jews to not retire to their bunkers and rebuild the world to serve their master in their image I guess we'll be fine.

"Moral" and "evil" are concepts of small people. At highest level only thing that matters is success or failure of yourself, group you affiliated to and you people. Allow morals interfere with that, and you will most likely lose to those who wont do such mistake, just like those Germans (look where are they now with their mortal attitude). Kikes achieved such power and influence because they understand it better than any other race, but for some reason goyim refused to learn from their example.

>was likely

It wasn't just likely. He was a communist. And a jew too.

>inb4 pol immediately changes its views on nukes

>Why did a patriot help develop a superweapon that guaranteed his nation's dominance? That's so dumb! Humanity is dumb!
Fuck off sperg.

>At highest level only thing that matters is success or failure of yourself, group you affiliated to and you people.

That is so completely false it's laughable. Morality is the highest construct, which goes in line with positive philosophies. What you assert is a bastardized form of tribalism that goes under a new name, which should make me laugh that you'd attempt to call it "highest level".

You believe in the atheistic, nihilistic philosophy of what a man can and cannot do. A philosophy of psychopaths hellbent on causing misery for their own gain, which is the same philosophy as the common nigger. Jews achieved power because they had no moral restraints yes, but they also lost their souls in the process, and only furthered Satan's plan, which ironically only brings us further to God's kingdom.

>inb4 Christcuck

>active with Spanish Loyalists
Weren't they the ones AGAINST commies?

Maybe, I thought the Spaniards were aligned with the USSR though

>What you assert is a bastardized form of tribalism that goes under a new name, which should make me laugh that you'd attempt to call it "highest level".
It is more effective than everything, and it's all that matters. All your sophisticated blingy shit you so proud of wont matter when you are defeated and go extinct.
>inb4 Christcuck
I don't really care. Only important thing here is for man to acknowledge priority of race and biology above that of religion, and if one doesnt, he is indeed bestest goy ever regardless if he's christian or pagan or whatever.

>>It's incredibly ironic how the many scientists working on the atomic bomb never stopped to think that maybe trusting HUMANS with the ability to destroy the earth a thousand times over was a bad idea.
>In 2017, Canadian scientists recreated an extinct horse pox virus to demonstrate that the smallpox virus can be recreated in a small lab at a cost of about $100,000, by a team of scientists without specialist knowledge. This makes the retention controversy moot since the virus can be easily recreated even if all samples are destroyed. Although the scientists performed the research to help development of new vaccines as well as trace smallpox's history, the possibility of the techniques being used for nefarious purposes was immediately recognized, leading to new regulation questions.[101]

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Not as dumb as being a faggot who sees the good in everyone and gets high on his own farts singing give peace a chance, while others invent nukes first so fart faggot is now our bitch.

>All your sophisticated blingy shit you so proud of wont matter when you are defeated and go extinct.
If only you knew the plans for your kind. If you did, you'd still probably cling to your ignorance, as all fools do.

Atheists are cultivated as part of a phase that will lead US to arise against you and kill you, which will lead to the final phase, with the Great War and worship of the Antichrist. But no, go ahead and curse us when we've built every great facet of civilization, while your ancestors who believed in our God toiled so that you could be afforded the blessing to come on here and assert his degenerative, nihilistic, and spiritually barren socially engineered philosophy.

People like you sicken me. And it's always you, the unsuccessful ones, that do so. Perhaps you are disillusioned by your lack of success, or perhaps you feel the game is rigged and the only way to win it is to break it. It doesn't matter. Your kind have no place on Earth. As your philosophy is the cause for all the greater evils on Earth. But please, go on Mr. Machiavelli, I've not heard your unpersuasive arguments before.

>muh if I don't do it someone else will fallacy
>Essentially saying, "I was just following orders."

Jesus christ you're fucking stupid.

You have two choices:
-Be at the mercy of communists with nukes... and whoever the hell else they can't stop from building them.
-Be the one with the nukes and take some measure of control over the situation.

There are NO other options available. The latter option gives you a say in what happens, you have a seat at the negotiation table. The former does not. Developing the tech yourself is objectively the correct course of action if you have any interest in playing any part in saving the world.

If you disagree, go ahead and take your place under the boot of literally everyone who disagrees and enjoy being irrelevant. Congratulations, you can sit on the sidelines as the world burns and feel smug that it's not your fault... even though you had the opportunity to at least TRY and save it, and did nothing.

>I am become death
is this grammatically correct? looks and sounds wrong as fuck.

>There are NO other options available.

False.

Your entire argument is fallacious due to the fact that the soviets only knew about nuclear weapons because of US-Soviet defectors and spies. Had the Manhattan Project not been undertaken, this would not have happened.

Go read a book before you start calling others stupid, stupid.

What you gonna do, nuke me for holding a different opinion?
You really cant help yourself can you?

So, you are like that meme protestant pastor who used to marry coalburners to niggers and preached vehement anti-racism? Should have let me know earlier. Protestants are fucking joke, even if sad one.
>we've built every great facet of civilization
By the way now that you brought that up, every single great civilization in human history was build by, or at least with influence of, people of Aryan blood. Shouldn't good anti-racist goy like you avoid mentioning thins such as these?
>that will lead US to arise against you and kill you
So for what do you want to kill me, for arguing with you on 4chins? Very well, at least I hope your buddies are more rational, because you wont put up much of a fight with philosophy like this one.

All you're doing is spewing vitriol and putting words in my mouth like a jew.

>By the way now that you brought that up, every single great civilization in human history was build by, or at least with influence of, people of Aryan blood.
Name a single point where I have challenged this. Just one. If you do I'll permanently leave Jow Forums forever.

>So for what do you want to kill me, for arguing with you on 4chins? Very well, at least I hope your buddies are more rational, because you wont put up much of a fight with philosophy like this one.
This goes far beyond philosophy. It goes into the very nature of your engineered existence and, if you had known what I was talking about, why you will be desolated.

Also, please tell me where I had ever said I was a Protestant. Even once. Seems you are incapable of arguing without sperging out and putting words in my mouth.

I agree with you 100%, but how do you figure the Muslim invasion would have been avoided without the invention of nuclear weapons?

You're a dumb atheist cuck who's allowed your country to be invaded by religious conquerors. Your opinion is invalid.

I pretty sure it was the fear of our enermys having such a thing that motivated them scientist.

>It goes into the very nature of your engineered existence and, if you had known what I was talking about, why you will be desolated.
Come on, impress me.
>Name a single point where I have challenged this.
You put religion above biological race, and there is very strong implication that "we" is affiliated with religion. This is most retarded opinion one can possibly hold - nigger will remain nigger and arab will remain arab even if you convert them really hard, they will not become better men and will not build anything. Only biology does that. In fact the only reason Christianity is what it is now and not another desert religion like Islam is that it was infused and refined with inherent spirituality of European man.
>Also, please tell me where I had ever said I was a Protestant.
Most Americans are.

daily reminder that the brotherhood of steel did nothing wrong

you would have to be dumb enough to become a household name and be taught about in science classes

What kind of dharmic autism is this?

So you're a bonafide fool then. You assume in every principle with zero evidence. Go back to living in your mud huts like a good pagan or appreciate how we've shaped the world, Christian men, while atheists have done virtually nothing of note or value, besides mass murder and communism.

Fucking japs is why he made it. Commies want to rape you. Works pretty good as a deterrence.

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>like a good pagan
Lmao. Pagans are full on larpers, I am basically surprised that some people here take them seriously. I am agnostic to clarify things, and initially came here to argue about things of tangible world only. I acknowledge Christianity as important part of European culture as of now (except that Catholics are infiltrated by jewry at highest level and protestants are once again a joke), however, once again one who puts religion above race tend to easily become enemy of his own race. You for example, here you basically advocating for denying extremely potent weapon due to some vague moral claims.

Nagasaki uninhabitable? I've been to Hiroshima.
saw more japs than I could stir with a stick.

Hey retard, both the USSR and Hitler were working on nukes as well..
It's a first come first serve situation. Nuke or be nuked.

>The Soviets never would have discovered nuclear power without the Manhattan project.

It would have taken them a little longer, sure. But they had every incentive to develop SOME kind of superior weaponry. And the nuke is physically possible to create. It was only a matter of time.

Sacrifice your strategic position of technological supremacy (any any ability to influence how it is used) in exchange for... what, a decade or two without nukes? Great plan.

Seriously, what book do I have to read to suddenly become convinced that you aren't retarded? You are unironically preaching the value of ignorance while condemning me for my supposed lack of knowledge.

>It's incredibly ironic how the many scientists working on the atomic bomb never stopped to think that maybe trusting HUMANS with the ability to destroy the earth a thousand times over was a bad idea.
Many of them were kikes. I wouldn't be surprised if nuclear bomb was a part of their greater plan for the future world domination even back then.

(((oppenheimer)))

why grug invent club? why not grug invent infinite berry bush?

Cromwell, is that you?

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grug find log in cave, log make good club but no make infinite berry bush. grug feel shame for make club.

Wouldn't it be nice if there were no wars, and everyone was just one race with the same IQ bellcurve, and having mixed kids didn't make them too mutated for compatible organ transplants, and sandniggers didn't have child brothels, and blacks didn't slaughter white farmers creating a famine, and people all told eachother when they had diseases, and if germany didn't have legal bestiality brothels, and the gay community stopped rampantly spreading HIV, and if California stopped writing bills to make pedophilia a sexuality at the same time as making it illegal to take therapy to change your sexuality, wouldn't it be nice if lib areas stopped having suicide epidemics and heroin epidemics, if cops in those areas didn't have to artificially reduce crime by mislabeling cases as misdemeanors to make their city look better, if people all accepted the brain has a cognitive structure and isn't some magical void where anything can happen if you believe enough, wouldn't it be nice if people realized they could cure their "numb haze", psychotic breakdowns, and "triggers" with memory reconciliation and coherence therapy. Wouldn't it be nice.

>And just 15 years after those shits made the bombs, the Soviet Union had an arsenal too and both were willing to absolutely destroy the Earth over a shitty fucking island.
So why didn't they?

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