Guys I am absolutely terrified of death. Thinking that nothing happens, that it's just like when you weren't born...

Fuck religion OP, look at it logically.

If you existed as nothing and became something from that, so by that logic even if you become nothing when you die shouldn’t you inevitably become something again? You’ve done it at least once already right?

If this isnt enough then you either dont want to believe or are too afraid. Dont be a coward OP. Also literally all you have to do is believe and trust so might as well look into it right? youtu.be/UYiuM43u0Q4

It's an observer's universe. You are an observer with your own experiences, and so your reality is unique to you. This is why they fluoridate the water, to calcify your pineal gland and control your perceived reality.

If you believe God exists and that you go to heaven when you die, your last moments of internalized thought will be of peace and grace. If not, you're going to struggle to hold onto every last inch of life and suffer your last moments.

While on Earth, God is explained as an externalized source of creative power and inspiration to help you live a fulfilled life. The fairy tales help convey that to a stupid and/or populace. Everyone is their own god. Everyone is their own satan. Heaven and Hell are the memory of you that lives on in your loved ones. When you see "holy" it should be synonymous with "wholesome" in your mind.

>stupid and/or populace
stupid and/or uneducated populace*

The only real Gospel of JESUS CHRIST put simple:
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Entire KJ Bible on audio:
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Information:
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Cowardly is being so afraid of the world that you cave in to peer pressure and let the long dead do your thinking for you.

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You are a fucking PUSSY
You are not a man if you fear death, you are a child who needs his ass WHIPPED.

I have accepted my mortality and my body is ready

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This guy gets it

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Animals don't have a religion.
Freewill could have caused the apparition of the very contradictory, backwards and stupid bible.
So make sure not to follow a religion, since these sem to stem from men and not from god.
>the kike was real and he did miracles
Miracles don't prove god, they prove supernatural power
Jesus could have or not existed, and his miracles were not observed by his contemporary pagans, which would have been redacted in history books.

Only the Holy Ghost can convict you of your sin.
youtube.com/watch?v=WDEBz25lGdY

kikes hate christ

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Kikes also hate pork, is pork the true religion?

>you will be reborn in monster girl quest
aww yeah!

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All this time I thought Jow Forums was a conservative christan board. What the hell is happening in this thread?

Do not fear death my brother.
Our Lord is a kind and merciful One to his lost sheep.

Fear that you do not die for the Lord, this type of death is much worse.

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>nothing happens, it's just like when you weren't born

yeah and that's the best thing ever!! you won't feel shit, you just..you won't exist anymore!
that's so great! honestly living forever in the afterlife would fucking suck. but if you die, you'll never get hurt ever again, and you won't miss the feeling of being alive, because you will completely cease to exist. this wasn't meant to freak you out, i'm genuinely looking forward to death.

TO DEATHS DOOR OUR ANGELS WILL DELIVER YOUR SOUL

Jesus showed that he was God, with power over the heavens and the Earth, while he was on the cross, as he made the sun go dark and the earth shake

Passages like Mark 15:33 and Matthew 27:51 talk about that, and non-Christian ancient historians reported this darkness and earthquake as well, though they tried to explain it as an eclipse:

>in the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad, an eclipse of the sun happened, greater and more excellent than any that had happened before it; at the sixth hour, day turned into dark night, so that the stars were seen in the sky, and an earthquake in Bithynia toppled many buildings of the city of Nicaea

- Non-Christian Roman historian Phlegon reporting the darkness as an eclipse. Read it here: tertullian.org/fathers/jerome_chronicle_03_part2.htm

>This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls...an eclipse of the sun

- Summary of the non-Christian Roman historian Thallus reporting the darkness as an eclipse. Read it here: newadvent.org/fathers/0614.htm

>In the same hour, too, the light of day was withdrawn, when the sun at the very time was in his noon blaze. Those who were not aware that this had been predicted about Christ thought it an eclipse. You yourselves have the account of this portent still in your archives.

- Tertullian telling us that this event was recorded in the Roman archives. This can be read here: ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.iv.iii.xxi.html

But there were no eclipses at this time. Look at all the total eclipses in the world from 30-40 AD here: eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEsearch/SEsearch.php. Nothing even near Rome or Judea.

So it is impossible for this darkness to have been an eclipse. Not to mention eclipses don't cause and have no association with earthquakes.

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We can verify it with physical evidence as well: geological surveys in Israel turn up this earthquake. For instance, the paper at academia.edu/6108262/Quake_Article reports that, by examining sediments from the Dead Sea, that an "early first-century seismic event has been tentatively assigned a date of 31 AD with an accuracy of ± 5 years" was identified. So we have geological proof that this earthquake really did take place at this time.

Death is a force of nature user. I'm going to die, you're going to die. Read Meditations.

>Jesus showed that he was God, with power over the heavens and the Earth
That pagans of the time strangely never saw and stayed pagans.

Just sentences later were Pagans who reported the darkness and the earthquake.

>Guys I am absolutely terrified of death
Dont be it awaits us all

If miracles were so prevalent, pagans would have converted instead of persecutive.

> nothing happens,
>just like when you weren't born
So you wont care.

youtube.com/watch?v=wAGdinXZjSc

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God isn't a tool, and if he were then he shouldn't be used to make yourself feel better about dying.

Having faith is like getting a present for Christmas

That is what occurred. The Pagans most in a position to investigate and find out about Jesus' miracles, the Roman Emperor Tiberius and the king of another nation close to Israel called Osroene (culturally what is now Armenia, though at the time it extended into today's northern Syria), were both persuaded by them. Tiberius absorbed it into his current view and figured Jesus was one of the gods, while the king of Osroene became a full-blown Christian.

The royal Armenian historian Movses Khorenatsi reports that the official archives of Osroene contained an exchange between its king, Abgar, and Tiberius Caesar. They discuss Christ, and King Abgar writes in his letter to Tiberius:

>During the time that they were crucifying him, the sun was darkened, the earth was moved, shaken…

And Tiberius in his reply writes:

>Your kind letter has been read to me, and I wish that thanks should be given to you from me. Though we had already heard several persons relate these facts, Pilate has officially informed us of the miracles of Jesus...we have commanded all those whom Jesus suits, to receive him among the gods. We have threatened with death any one who shall speak evil of the Christians

(This can be read here: newadvent.org/fathers/0859.htm)

So you're right in many ways! And this is why we don't see persecution of the Christians officially coming from the government in Rome or Osroene during Tiberius or Abgar's reigns.

It's only afterwards that their successors started persecuting Christians

I won't care I'm already dead, but I care now.

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>That is what occurred.
Why have miracles gone away?

Look up “Charlie Charlie” challenge there definitely is something out there

Things went back to business as usual not too long after the death of Jesus and the Apostles. Miracles are special occurrences, God normally doesn't directly intervene.

Sounds like an excuse to maintain a false religion, pretending that there were miracles in the past but they are gone now.

The problem in fact is that you can't die. The worse you behave in body speech and mind, the worse your next life will be
accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/truth_of_rebirth.html

Everything we can imagine exists - somewhere, in some universe. Or we bring it into existence with our thoughts, like imagining we can fly and then inventing airplanes. Our imaginations have creative powers.

The only thing we cannot imagine is being dead. So death doesn’t exist.

>tfw too scared to read because I don't know if I'm more scared of the idea of God existing or him not existing

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St. Bonaventure has some pretty good apriori proofs of God based on truth and knowledge. Aquinas has some good proofs too. I find alot of what Aquinas says to just be proof of God in general, even when he isn't directly attempting to prove God's existence.

His metaphysics essentially predict quantum physics findings that wouldn't happen until centuries later.

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Checked. Nice digits for a nice post.

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Well, how in the FUCK did you imagine all of the universe started? The Big Bang? What made that happen? What else could there be other than God?

I never understood Pascal's wager. Surely God will know if your belief is insincere.

>If there's a God you go to heaven.
what are you even basing that on? there's so many assumptions made in this one statement alone and none if them can be proven

That's the crux of it. It's not really belief if it's just living in a false manner just-in-case. Although I imagine, living as a christian without beleiving, may bring some grace and with it, eventual faith.

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Logically speaking, an omnipotent, best possible being would behave: it would only directly take action when it was absolutely necessary for it to do so.

Think about it: if you're omnipotent, there's no limit to how much you can increase something. No matter how much you increase it you could have always increased it more.

So suppose God decides to directly intervene and make our lives twice as good. Wouldn't it have been better if he had made our lives three times as good instead? And better still if he'd made it four times as good. And better still if...

The best possible being would always take the best possible action. But when it comes to randomly directly improving the world for the sake of improvement, there is no best possible action: since God is omnipotent there is no limit to how much better he could make the world.

So that isn't a possible standard for him to work with. Instead, when God acts it is to ensure that good as a whole can continue to grow in the world.

That is the best possible standard, since it ensures that good is always increasing. So he'd act when his action was necessary for that, but otherwise would refrain from action.

God's Messianic plan his Church are essential to the continued growth of good in the world, and so acted to ensure the Messianic plan was fulfilled and the Church was strongly planted enough to grow on its own.

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>terrified
You know what doesn't also exist when you die? Fear.

I kind of envy people who enjoy life enough to fear death. Sometimes I think about killing myself just out of curiosity, to see if there's anything on the other side, or to find out what fading into nothingness feels like. I can't imagine anything but relief, finally being released from all the responsibility and suffering that comes with existence. I'm not in a hurry to off myself, because there are still things I haven't experienced in life that I'm equally curious about. But if I got in a head-on collision tomorrow and had my torso obliterated by engine parts, I don't think I would experience fear or regret in my last moments. I'd just be like "guess that's that."

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thanks user.

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skarlakidis.gr/en/thema/18--1579-.html
Undoubtedly, the scientific opinion of Evgeny Morozov carries great weight and confirms the written sources that mention the miraculous splitting of the column. But I wanted a second opinion on the matter and so I turned to one of the leading Greek scientists in the field of Fracture Mechanics, Professor George Α. Papadopoulos10 of the University of Athens, to whom I sent high definition photographs of the fracture.

Professor Papadopoulos, having examined the photographs, judged that the fracture of the column was indeed caused by an electrical discharge which occurred simultaneously with a seismic wave directed upwards. This combined pressure on the column – electrical discharge plus seismic wave – he believes to be inexplicable and he consequently arrived at the conclusion that “one could only speak of a miracle.”

Professor Papadopoulos, in response to a related email request from me, states the following:
Dear Mr. Skarlakidis,
Thank you for your email dated 31/1/2010. I believe I can be of assistance to your worthy project.

For the last thirty-five years I have been working with Experimental Fracture Mechanics at the Physics of Strength of Materials Laboratory of the National University of Athens and I believe wherever there is no scientific explanation, there is a miracle.

I have no reason to doubt the Munich Library manuscript dated to 1634 which gives an account of the miraculous manner of the rupture of the column as well as what ensued: that the Greek patriarch used this Fire to light his candle. I do not believe it is possible to doubt a miracle and especially where there are related accounts.

By examining the fracture from the photographs, we could conclude that it is a result of combined pressure: a combination of electrical discharge (probably a strong lightning bolt) and a large seismic tremor. The electrical discharge, due to the high momentary temperature, embrittled the material in the column down the length of a narrow area (origin). The surface seismic wave put pressure on the column resulting in torsional oscillation (fatigue). This simultaneous pressure resulted in the fracture beginning at the base of the column and continuing upwards in a zigzag course (as it appears in the photograph the course of the fracture is not linear) along the length of the area made embrittled by the electrical discharge. If the above indeed occurred, in my opinion this simultaneous combined pressure of the column remains inexplicable. Therefore, one could speak only of a miracle.

Dear Mr. Skarlakidis I would like to offer my congratulations on your work and I wholeheartedly wish you great success.
Regards,

George Α. Papadopoulos
Professor of Mechanics,
Physics of Strength of Materials Laboratory
National and Kapodistrian University of Athens

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Watch this video OP. Its an entirely rationally based argument for God, which completely transcends empirical evidence. God bless OP.

Think about it from a purely atheistic or selfish perspective.

Christians live 4 or so years longer and have lower risks of depression and anxiety. From a hedonistic viewpoint, it would be wise to live such a lifestyle if only for the likely benefits on one's own life.

Just consider the fact that billions before you have died and it seems alot less scary. Everyone has to die, user.

1. Change is a real feature of the world.

2. But change is the actualization of a potential.

3. So, the actualization of potential is a real feature of the world.

4. No potential can be actualized unless something already actual actualizes it (the principle of causality).

5. So, any change is caused by something already actual.

6. The occurrence of any change C presupposes some thing or substance S which changes.

7. The existence of S at any given moment itself presupposes the concurrent actualization of S’s potential for existence.

8. So, any substance S has at any moment some actualizer A of its existence.

9. A’s own existence at the moment it actualizes S itself presupposes either (a) the concurrent actualization of its own potential for existence or (b) A’s being purely actual.

10. If A’s existence at the moment it actualizes S presupposes the concurrent actualization of its own potential for existence, then there exists a regress of concurrent actualizers that is either infinite or terminates in a purely actual actualizer.

11. But such a regress of concurrent actualizers would constitute a hierarchical causal series, and such a series cannot regress infinitely.

12. So, either A itself is a purely actual actualizer or there is a purely actual actualizer which terminates the regress that begins with the actualization of A.

13. So, the occurrence of C and thus the existence of S at any given moment presupposes the existence of a purely actual actualizer.

14. So, there is a purely actual actualizer.

15. In order for there to be more than one purely actual actualizer, there would have to be some differentiating feature that one such actualizer has that the others lack.

16. But there could be such a differentiating feature only if a purely actual actualizer had some unactualized potential, which, being purely actual, it does not have.

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17. So, there can be no such differentiating feature, and thus no way for there to be more than one purely actual actualizer.

18. So, there is only one purely actual actualizer.

19. In order for this purely actual actualizer to be capable of change, it would have to have potentials capable of actualization.

20. But being purely actual, it lacks any such potentials.

21. So, it is immutable or incapable of change.

22. If this purely actual actualizer existed in time, then it would be capable of change, which it is not.

23. So, this purely actual actualizer is eternal, existing outside of time.

24. If the purely actual actualizer were material, then it would be changeable and exist in time, which it does not.

25. So, the purely actual actualizer is immaterial.

26. If the purely actual actualizer were corporeal, then it would be material, which it is not.

27. So, the purely actual actualizer is incorporeal.

28. If the purely actual actualizer were imperfect in any way, it would have some unactualized potential, which, being purely actual, it does not have.

29. So, the purely actual actualizer is perfect.

30. For something to be less than fully good is for it to have a privation—that is, to fail to actualize some feature proper to it.
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I can't convince you there is a god, hell, i couldn't convince myself of that. I can however convince you there a thing equivalent to reincarnation, without appealing to the supernatural.

P1: For something to be classified as conscious, you have to be that person, otherwise it's basically a P-zombie.

P2: Since without appealing to the supernatural we can't define a clear line of what's conscious and isn't (everything reacts to input the same way humans do), for consciousness to be consistent either everything is conscious or nothing is.

P3: We know something is conscious.

C1: Everything including non-living beings is conscious to an extent.

C2: You already lived as something that is not you.

31. A purely actual actualizer, being purely actual, can have no such privation.

32. So, the purely actual actualizer is fully good.

33. To have power entails being able to actualize potentials.

34. Any potential that is actualized is either actualized by the purely actual actualizer or by a series of actualizers which terminates in the purely actual actualizer.

35. So, all power derives from the purely actual actualizer.

36. But to be that from which all power derives is to be omnipotent.

37. So, the purely actual actualizer is omnipotent.

38. Whatever is in an effect is in its cause in some way, whether formally, virtually,or eminently (the principle of proportionate causality).

39. The purely actual actualizer is the cause of all things.

40. So, the forms or patterns manifest in all the things it causes must in some way be in the purely actual actualizer.

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41. These forms or patterns can exist either in the concrete way in which they exist in individual particular things, or in the abstract way in which they exist in the thoughts of an intellect.

42. They cannot exist in the purely actual actualizer in the same way they exist in individual particular things.

43. So, they must exist in the purely actual actualizer in the abstract way in which they exist in the thoughts of an intellect.

44. So, the purely actual actualizer has intellect or intelligence.

45. Since it is the forms or patterns of all things that are in the thoughts of this intellect, there is nothing that is outside the range of those thoughts.

46. For there to be nothing outside the range of something’s thoughts is for that thing to be omniscient.

47. So, the purely actual actualizer is omniscient.

48. So, there exists a purely actual cause of the existence of things, which is one, immutable, eternal, immaterial, incorporeal, perfect, fully good, omnipotent, intelligent, and omniscient.

49. But for there to be such a cause of things is just what it is for God to exist.

50. So, God exists

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Christians who follow the bible suffer from an abundance of stress having to live in a morally corrupted society.

Stress can cause a lot of health issues.

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God loves you my lad, why be afraid?
God bless.

This is true, however I should probably have cited sources (below). The negatives of living in a bad society seem to be more than made up for with the social cohesion and in-group benefits of being a part of a religious group.

washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/14/religious-people-longer-lifespans-atheists-study/

psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-men/201712/religion-and-mental-health-what-is-the-link

>implying the peace and stability from keeping God's commandments doesn't work
Nice one

>Just believe anyway
when a "christian" so casually shows he thinks belief to be voluntary, it's a dead giveaway that he is only going through the motions and thinks this is tantamount to belief; he probably never actually believed but at most felt a bit of worry; all that stuff with an afterlife and a rule-setting god, what if it's true after all?

>purely actual actualizer
pure wharrgarbl.

Should I name all the men in the bible who were overcome with great grief at seeing their people the way they were?

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there is no way to solve infinite regression without an uncreated head at the beginning of the chain of causality

>when a "christian" so casually shows he thinks belief to be voluntary, it's a dead giveaway that he is only going through the motions

I think this is often used as shorthand, not simply to denote honest belief. One who lives as though they believe will often come to a greater understanding and acceptance with time.

As stated previously, this is true, but there are vast numbers who obtain a great amount of solace and well-being. Religiosity is strongly correlated mental well-being in nearly every demographic strata and is seen in studies and assessments like those posted above.

you have been conditioned to think infinite regression is a problem.

>One who lives as though they believe will often come to a greater understanding and acceptance with time.
I am not entirely against the idea of faking it till you make it, but that's not the case with the proposal at hand, which is to hedge one's bets and hope god is a bureaucrat with a rulebook.

>I won't care I'm already dead, but I care now.
Stop caring about things that you wont care about when they actually happen.

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when you die you go in a better place because the universe said so to me, you don't need a god

infinite regression invalidates all actions, past present and future

it doesn't work and there is no logical or deductive evidence that it's true

>hinking that nothing happens, that it's just like when you weren't born...

That is actually what the Bible teaches:

>Isaiah 38:18,19 - 18 For it is not She´ol that can laud you; death itself cannot praise you. Those going down into the pit cannot look hopefully to your trueness. The living, the living, he is the one that can laud you, Just as I can this day.

>Psalms 6:5 - For in death there is no mention of you; In Sheol who will laud you?

>Psalms 88:10 - For those who are dead will you do a marvel? Or will those impotent in death themselves arise, Will they laud you? Selah.

>Psalms 146:4 - His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish.

>Psalm 88:12 - Will a marvel by you be known in the darkness itself, Or your righteousness in the land of oblivion?

>Psalms 115:17 - 17 The dead themselves do not praise Jah, Nor do any going down into silence.

>(Ecclesiastes 3:18-20) I, even I, have said in my heart with regard to the sons of mankind that the [true] God is going to select them, that they may see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.

>Ecclesiastes 9:5,6 - 5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.

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Congrats on going through your first existential crisis op. True belief in God isn't something that can be forced on you, you have to listen for it and find it on your own. I'll pray that God may reach out to you and give you the sign you need to find your faith in Him.

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Kalaam Cosmological Argument. You're welcome.
If life ends at the grave then there's no point in being good. Good wouldn't even mean anything. With God and the soul, there is.

(Revelation 7:14) “My lord, you are the one that knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

(Revelation 21:1) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more.

(Revelation 21:4) And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

(Isaiah 65:21) And they will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat [their] fruitage.

(Isaiah 65:22) They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating.... and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full.

(Isaiah 33:24) And no resident will say: “I am sick.”

(Psalm 46:9) He is making wars to cease to the extremity of the earth.

>(John 5:28, 29) Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.

(Proverbs 2:22) As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it.

(Isaiah 35:1) The wilderness and the waterless region will exult, and the desert plain will be joyful and blossom as the saffron.

(Psalm 37:11) But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.

(Isaiah 35:5, 6) At that time the eyes of the blind ones will be opened, and the very ears of the deaf ones will be unstopped. 6At that time the lame one will climb up just as a stag does, and the tongue of the speechless one will cry out in gladness.

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>infinite regression invalidates all actions, past present and future
this is meaningless word salad without explaining wtf does 'validating an action' mean.
>it doesn't work and there is no logical or deductive evidence that it's true
only a statement, a claim can be true. infinite regression is an abstract phenomenon, not a claim. it's as if you said the number 2 cannot be true.

Your Salvation is in the form of a cleaned up earth where if you have died you will be PHYSICALLY resurrected on a cleaned up earth. Pics related is what you will inherit if you die and come back.

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I was never forwarding Pascal's Wager for the sake of it, as I don't think it would be a terribly effective proposition to begin with. I also don't necessarily consider making an attempt as "faking it till you make it." When people begin to live in a more virtuous and reflective manner then allows more room for contemplation.

A great many people will say they "tried to believe in Christianity" while not remotely performing any of the actions that would be seen in faithful Christians and reflecting on the differences in their lives. Some teenager who continues chasing tail will miss the entire point of being chaste (which includes not only negatives, but gaining greater self-control and self-mastery). Therefore, I would contend that those who don't believe should try acting like they did, and they might find a different perspective awaiting them.

You didn't suffer before birth you won't suffer after death.

>If life ends at the grave then there's no point in being good.
another fascinating glimpse into the mind of the believer.

God exists because the demons who temporarily convinced you nothing exists on the other side (because they are preparing to consume you) exist.

>less of a cunt because of religion

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but this is not about perspective, this is about OP the Troll allegedly fearing annihilation at death. and so we aren't talking about reaching insight but ensuring a heavenly afterlife.

Those 4 years are the worst years of your life as you are old and stuck in some hospital bed where you have to wonder if Christ will forgive you or send you to hell.

you won't even be conscious when you're dead though what's there to be afraid of

Apparently, according to a tv documentary I watched, people who have effectively died report that they always see their best memories and it feels like a timeless dream. Documentary said it's your brain accessing it's best memories as the brain increases serotonin and the sensory inputs begin to shut down so it's just you and your memories.

newscientist.com/article/mg21128294-900-near-death-experiences-may-be-triggered-by-serotonin/

Make good long term memories and your ending will be pleasant.