I honestly don't know what to say. E-celeb shit normally doesn't bother me but AltHype and Jared Taylor were my original redpills and the ones who got me and my family into the white nationalist movement. To see the guy who woke me up, who's BTFO so many leftists, suddenly cuck out and embrace 'firstworldism' or whatever bullshit term he's using to rationalize his civic nationalism has got me feeling genuinely depressed. I can't see how AltHype actually believes what he's saying. I don't think it's a coincidence that Kike and Tea comes back at the same time AltHype decides to take the bluepill. What do you guys think? Has Ryan been bought by (((them)))? Was he blackmailed with financial, social, or physical ruin? Did he fall in love with a non-white? This just doesn't make any sense
AltHype Betrayal Thread
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I think he is just blackpilled. He is autistic and probably chimped out as soon as someone said "the ethnostate won`t happen".
No one could refute this so he became blackpilled
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100% racial purity as an end is completely retarded.
Ethnostate isnt going to happen and if it did, jews would destroy it like they have all throughout history. You idiots are chasing after a carrot on a stick.
He's either blackpilled or blackmailed. I will still keep watching his videos, as he makes quality content and isn't in race denial. I think he merely turned into a short term strategist and doesn't want to go down the Spencer road. Perhaps Kraut does have some dirt on him though. He is a furfag, so he doesn't want to get ridiculed or exposed for some. More of a self-image thing and about privacy and not about his integrity.
Predictable opinion from someone with your flag
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American ethnonationalists are cargo cultist retards. The arguments they make don't stand up to scrutiny:
1. America was a good place to live in the 1950s
2. America was mostly white in the 1950s
3. America is not as good now as it was in the 1950s
4. America is less white now
5. If America was as white as it was in the 1950s, it would be a just as good place to live
This is cargo cult tier. There are white pockets all over the place in the US (85+% white) and some of them are filled with rampant drug usage, despair, lack of community, and horrible poverty. These are "mini ethnostates" yet they exhibit the same problems the country at large exhibits. If diversity is the reason that people don't have close knit communities anymore, then why are there so many rural and suburban towns in the midwest and new england areas where people don't know their neighbors and instead choose to sit around and use drugs and get fat?
If white Americans want an ethnostate, fine, there's nothing wrong with them having one, but by and large they don't, which is why people who go out in public talking about ethnostates are violently attacked and no politician uses ethnostates to pander to people. They're not even on the table of discussion, it's mental masturbation for people (keep in mind, of these people used to be ancaps, which is just another form of mental masturbation that has no connection to the current political reality).
The fact is, you could deport all the black and brown people or move all the white people to the midwest, but you'd still have the exact same social problems in your all white state: the drug use, the degeneracy, the hopelessness, the social isolation. So what's the point of focusing so heavily all the time on race? We all understand that certain racial groups commit a lot of crime, that's babby's first redpill. Sitting around wasting your life hopeless while on drugs and watching netflix is a problem, whether or not your country is all white.
>1. America was a good place to live in the 1950s
>2. America was mostly white in the 1950s
>3. America is not as good now as it was in the 1950s
>4. America is less white now
>5. If America was as white as it was in the 1950s, it would be a just as good place to live
Every bullet point is incontrovertibly correct except for the last one, which is simply speculation.
Ryan and Sean just came to the realization that myself and a lot of other people (namely the reactionary community i.e. Logo and Distributist, as well as the Twitter "ironybros" hilariously enough) came to a long-ass time ago. Basically race alone isn't a sufficient enough base on which to build a political ideology and this cult of racial worship that the alt-right has given rise to is a complete fabrication based on a supposed "unity" among all white people that doesn't actually exist and never has. That's not to say "race isn't real" or "race doesn't matter" or anything like that, but when you fixate entirely on race you end up with something just as materialistic and soulless as our current society. And furthermore, it results in the creation of an extremely autistic and antisocial base filled with the worst quality white people you could ever imagine. Seriously, just spend like 5 minutes on Gab; if that band of wiggers and CIA goons serves as a microcosm of the would-be ethnostate then you can count me the fuck out.
I wouldn't lump Jared Taylor in with those people because what he does is fundamentally different, but if you're so intent on following glow-in-the-dark grifters like Spencer and Patrick Little right off a cliff then by all means do it. You'd be doing the white race a favor.
kek
>betrayal
anybody who thinks someone with a different opinion is a traitor is too dumb to be allowed into debating ideas in the first place
> Basically race alone isn't a sufficient enough base on which to build a political ideology and this cult of racial worship that the alt-right has given rise to is a complete fabrication based on a supposed "unity" among all white people that doesn't actually exist and never has. That's not to say "race isn't real" or "race doesn't matter" or anything like that, but when you fixate entirely on race you end up with something just as materialistic and soulless as our current society
Yeah well that's why crackers need to start reading/listening to E Michael Jones. We need an ethos that is more than just our DNA
>He is a furfag
Source?
I'm not even a white ethnostate guy, but you're strawmanning their position pretty hard. The idea isn't that having racial homogeneity would instantly eliminate problems of drugs, poverty, corruption, etc. The argument is more that white hegemony would be a good way of addressing those, in addition to having other positive effects.
Most of the time I see people advocating for white ethnostates, they also advocate for a return to traditional family structures, economic reforms, and being more pro-Christianity.
More than anything, I think that focusing on race is because it's something that hits people on a primal level. The idea is that they would fix the race problem and then move on to other issues. I personally think a better place to start would be religion, but then again I'm not a white nationalist.
American white nationalists glorifying 1950s America is the funniest shit ever. For a bunch of people supposedly "redpilled" on the JQ, you'd think they'd realize that 20th century America, at least in terms of pop culture and socioeconomic functioning, was a thoroughly Jewish creation. Jews never "subverted" the entertainment industry away from the goyim; they owned it from the very start. Which means most of the shit you genuinely enjoy and want to preserve about America was probably created or pushed by Jews. And that's not to mention the longstanding alliance between the Anglo and Jewish elite within the US government that started around the late 19th century and persists to this day.
So essentially all these people upholding 1900s US as some kind of pinnacle of white civilization are actually worshiping a Jewish civilization.
It's not that radical of a change, any such "firstworldist" state would have a White supramajority.
Though I'm annoyed that he insists on distancing himself from White Nationalism.
Explicit white nationalism is political suicide. If you want to get something similar to white nationalism into the public sphere then you need to be really subversive about it.
>(((says the mudblood ruled over by whites)))
>Brazilians are pathetic
Neither AltHype nor Richard Spencer were ever white nationalists
The thing is Ryan doesn't disagree, he still believes homogeneity is a good thing.
lmao just look at the state of the country that thinks that
Ok? So if we let in people who are similar to us in IQ and SES levels it doesn't harm our social cohesion. How is this suppossed to suddenly convince me to abandon my people and give up on the idea of a country for whites? Just because you can assimilate a high-IQ non-white group doesn't make that desireable from the standpoint of preserving your genepool, culture, and way of life.
Not sure, Jow Forums I guess. Like nothing concrete, but it wouldn't surprise me. Seems likely.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Did the native americans not actively resist their genocide until the bitter end? Did not the Romans? Did not the Armenians?
As far as I can tell there is no serious white nationalist movement.
Richard Spencer, AltHype, etc were never white nationalists. At most there are a bunch of slightly "racist" libertarians. That's not the same thing as being a white nationalist.
Richard Spencer is ironically on record saying he hates ethno nationalists.
what? quick rundown?
If you aren't heeding Dave's wisdom in 2018 then you are a woefully inept political thinker.
You tried to sound intelligent but came off as a retard yourself. America was white in the 50’s. The entire culture was white. Everybody knew the country belonged to whites and it was there’s to enjoy and improve upon. Regardless of any white pockets now that is simply no longer the case. America has completely lost its confidence because it’s no longer a white country
All those groups are still around
Jews have made it very clear they want to wipe out every white on earth, and they aren't exactly subtle about it.
Lets not forget Ryan is autistic
He really isn't good at handling drama, nor is he very good at....dealing with things non autistically
He basically said
>Ralph and Mr Meto aren't white nationalists and they've been exposed
>Europeans don't support free speech as much as I hoped
>white nationalism is dead reee
He's ignoring the fact that deconditioning takes time
hes missing the fact that we ARE moving right.
People ARE waking up and becoming more white nationalist-ISH when exposed to this information
IT IS HAPPENING RYAN YOU FUCKING AUTIST JUST NOT IN THE AUTISTIC WAY YOU IMAGINED HOLY Shit
Overall I still like AltHype, he makes great content that I've used to redpill IRL
He's just such a fucking autist
You know at first I thought this was a meme but maybe it's true. Milo, Thiel, AltHype, etc. have all refused to embrace or turned against the paleoconservative ideal.
>AltHype Betrayal
He literally hasn't "betrayed" anything, you're just low IQ and can't into politics.
>m-maybe we should decrease immigration a teeny tiny bit
>erhmergawd we're moving right!
People aren't moving right, they're too pussy to do that.
National Socialism
Divide and conquer shill tactics
STFU you blackpilled dane cunt
>maybe we should decrease immigration
is deff right of
>everyone should open their wives and childrens ass holes to every nigger claiming to be Syrian
He woke to the reality of modern white people and their degenerate nature. There is no way in hell can you save western countries and enforce ethnostate laws.
As an atheist I largely reject his position and I don't see how he can promote a vehicle to re-traditionalize society.
Inevitably if we can maintain high SES then different ethnicities can get lost in their respective consumerism but if there is a massive economic contraction and people start pointing fingers at each other then white nationalism gets a major boost.
It's also important to note that political division is growing up and as Distributist points out social capital, over long periods, has deteriorated.
Then there is still the problem of black africans that Sean and Faulk still admit are a specific problem that confounds humanism in a general sense
He got bored LARPing and wanted something viable.
>As an atheist I
you should kill yourself
Unless we completely halt immigration, nothing will be fixed. People aren't even daring enough to merely advocate decreasing it. They aren't moving right.
A white ethnostate, or at the very least a reawakening of white racial consciousness isn't the be all end all. It's the first step that's required in what's going to be a long and arduous healing process for ALL white countries, not just America, that have fallen under the illusion of post-modern nihilistic egalitarian leftist faggotry. Establishing homogeneity is the baseline for having philia, or community, in a society.
Why do almost all these NU Anarchist movements taking their symbols from the NAZI SA symbol?
Its almost as if they are telling us something.
There's nothing viable about a non-white society
this is actually completely correct
We aren't dying on the hill of race dude. I'm a paleoconservative who wants to ensure America remains a WASP country. White homogeneity is the starting line for achieving this.
Goose stepping around the mall with some fatties in plastic stahlhems isn't going to make a country white.
We are on the same side other than that religion shit, that was never overall part of the alt-right.
Plenty of Christians use religion as a vehicle to advocate for multiculturalism
What's the difference between "Anybody can be an American as long as they believe in first world values" versus "Anybody can be an American as long as they assimilate" or "Anybody can be an American as long as they're free market capitalists" or "Anybody can be an American as long as they respect the Constitution". It's literally just civic nationalism but wrapped around high-IQ people.
This right here. White Americans in general are soo broken and too individualistic for an ethnostate to work or function right. The porn addiction, opium addication, foreign interventions, constant wars, consumerism, work/ cooperate culture, housing crisis, heart disease, suicide crisis, low birth rates and high rate out of interracial dating and breeding. It's over m8.
White nationalism doesn't mean any of that.
>There are white pockets all over the place in the US (85+% white) and some of them are filled with rampant drug usage, despair, lack of community, and horrible poverty.
Nobody is claiming that a region being white makes it automatically good. White people can still be crappy. I am not a biological determinist and I know few WN that are.
But if you look at the grand scheme of things, places that are Whiter (and/or Oriental) tend to do better.
Biological ceilings matter. And the browner a region is, the lower the ceiling is for a number of things.
White culture as a whole is not worth preserving. It's high-IQ white culture that most of us really want; the culture that birthed the enlightenment and great philosophy. Most whites don't seem to give a shit about those things because they literally can't comprehend them. You need to be above average intelligence to really want the preservation of high-IQ white culture, and most people are not above average (duh). Maybe I'm just overdosing on blackpills as well, but I've basically given up on this world at this point. Most of my arguments FOR white nationalism have come from studies just like Faulk's arguments and many others, but now more than ever these studies are literally being suppressed by publication journals. A time is coming when we won't even be the side with the facts because they are taking those away, and normal IQ whites don't give a shit enough about facts to care.
Uhh……………Alt-Hype has been in several debates with leftists and skeptics where he said he wants a white ethno-state. He's made a hypothetical video about how to possibly create a white ethnostate by breaking off several Midwestern states, and he made a video about WW2 where he asserted that white nationalism was the only successful political ideology.
This is true. Our struggle is more similar to the one faced by Rhodesians or the Boer in South Africa.
>rebutted nothing in my OP
>nothing condescending ad hominems
low-IQ response
That's white separatism, which is just as retarded as white supremacy or supporting a mixed race society.
Any white separatist state would be quickly crushed by its neighbors especially one bordering the US. Allowing additional non-white immigration into a "white separatist state" would make it even more untalented.
Ironically the AltHype is opposing larping while he proposes the LARPiest idea on earth: a functional civicuck state
Brazilian IQ is tiny. You reflect that
>Athiest
>Wants to re-traditionalize society
Sorry but the only consistent way to ward off degeneracy is to have some form of religion or spiritual aspect to your society. You don't necessarily have to believe in a deity, but you need to promote religion as a form of morality. You can be like Richard Dawkins and be a cultural Christian, or mix discipline and morals into your religion like Buddhism or Confucianism have done.
This basically. He's ignoring the fact that whites have been conditioned to hate their race, civilization, and 'first world values' aka white values for over 100 years now and we still have a significant chunk of the white population that is going strong. AltHype used to be an Ancap and is a faggot, so maybe that's part of his problem.
I think he puts a bit too much emphasis on the heritability and genetic influence of political beliefs. For instance a very rudimentary illustration would be that brown people may not be prone to socialism because of some genetic predisposition towards it, they may just be prone to socialism because in a free market they inevitably find themselves at the bottom.
Do you see yourself as the same kin as pic related? Do you want to "fight for their existence"? What about the endless hordes of WHITE liberals? Are you a race realist? Do you understand that the amount of brown people who would be drawn to the creation of an area like Faulk describes would be insignificant? Would you rather call yourself a WN and live in a brown country, or a Paleoconservative and something that resembles Denmark? Don't be a fucking idiot.
Calhounism is the future of the US, there's going to be a massive white flight to the PNW and Midwest once Texas and Florida is demographically lost forever. Balkanization is inevitable and I don't know why you would think it's a pipedream. The first Civil War was fought over an imbalance in the Senate and the South had to choose between being dominated by a regional party that was foreign to themselves. This time it won't just be the North and South that are divided, but multiple locations in the US. It's not larpy, you're just naive.
Didn't your country just take major steps recently to ban rapefugees? Oh yeah, it totally did.
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Well there you go, i guess it's time to open borders. NOT.
Go to his channel and see for yourself. He's denouncing white nationalism and saying we should let in anyone as long as they embrace 'firstworldism', whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.
For people that like Jared Taylor: Why are you sperging out when Ryan and Sean are essentially of the same political position as Jared Taylor now?
They're against anti-white hate and for freedom of association but not trying to make an ethnostate. That's the exact same thing as Taylor's politics.
he was never on our side, retards
ok *squints* confederate
>high iq culture
Idk if he is a furfag but he is an ancient weeb-autist youtuber and an actual faggot. He used to be an ancap back in the day.
Neither is letting in anyone with an IQ over 100, which is basically what AltHype is now advocating.
Yea, obviously running as an explicitly White Nationalist politician, in America year of our lord 2018, isn't going to work out.
I think Trumpism in America, and other populist contemporaries are great tools for breaking the popular consensus against WN, especially if we can oust the current elite with such movements.
You seem to have a pretty narrow view of White Nationalism, I know that Faulk identified with it prior to a couple of weeks ago, and I'm pretty sure Richard Spencer still does even though he's more focused on pan-European stuff.
Yea, and really even if you were able to make a great society composed of a bunch of BASED coloreds; we simply don't have as much of a stake in it than it if were White.
For example North-Eastern Asian countries are doing well right now, they're generally on the ascendancy; but we don't really have much of a stake in these societies, whether Japan succeeds or fails doesn't really matter all that much to us. Likewise, the success of some hypothetical civic state which is heavily non-White, I'm not terribly invested in relative to a White Nationalist state.
No it's not you dummy. You fags wouldn't have to lie if you had a decent counter point to anything he's actually advocating for.
For example, he's talked about how European migrants vote for open borders and so bringing them here short term increases the number of whites but overall speeds up third worldist policies. IQ is necessary but not sufficient and Ryan never said it was.
I'm not saying that we should accept ALL whites into the hypothetical white nation dipshit. That's something a lot of people get stuck on. I'm saying the paleoconservative nation will necessarily have to be all white if we want it to resemble something like Denmark or Australia or Iceland. Just because the nation is all white doesn't mean that it is accepting of all whites.
I think as a general point immigration of almost any kind is just plain bad. It changes things in already tumultuous times and it's really the last thing any struggling nation needs.
>or Australia
Only if sheilas are on the paleoconservative agenda.
It is because they went back. They were white nationalists and now they are civ nats. You don't ever go back.
>quick take
>over 30 minutes
I can never take Distributist seriously.
He was talking about it in the context of forming a new nation within the US. As far as I've heard he's said nothing about more immigration being helpful.
Also I agree with you about the inevitable balkanization of North America. It's already happening in slow motion with whites leaving California, New England, and Texas/Florida and going to Oregon/Colorado/Wyoming/etc. The same is happening in Canada with decent people leaving to Alberta and Saskatchewan. Once it's impossible to get another conservative in most decent whites will collectivize where they're appreciated.
>Do you understand that the amount of brown people who would be drawn to the creation of an area like Faulk describes would be insignificant?
I kind of doubt that.
The vast majority of people that would be drawn to that particular region in the US will be white, they will theoretically be the people with the highest amount of the "first world strain", AKA the people in pic related. If Nick Fuentes and Braving Ruin want to come along as well, it won't be a problem and we can avoid the unnecessary persecution by the state and media while it's forming. Local politics should be taken over with people that resemble Steve King and eventually inject John C Calhoun types into the Senate. He even suggested "political tests" which would just be quasi-racial tests like old nigger literacy tests for voting and the personality tests given at Harvard to fuck over the Chinks.
It's inevitable and he's moving forward into the realm of reality.
>I kind of doubt that.
If there's no gibs and an open hostile culture against shitskins, it's going to seriously mitigate the amount of brown people. The sooner we can all relocate there and dominate local politics, the sooner we can dictate migration into the area.
The thing I don't get is he has mocked the arguments he point forth in his last video before. So it's not like he discovered some radical new way of talking about things. He discussed the primacy of race and how blacks and browns will vote dem even if they think Republicans are better, because dems are more open borders. And hes mocked "muh based values" brown people and called it a boomer tier idea. So its bizarre that he would do such a radical jump to ideas he has previously dismissed
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As long as your sheilas form nuclear families, have white children, take their kids to church, and love guns, then you bring over all the sheilas you can carry.
Spencer doesn't /hate/ ethno-nationalists, or at least has never said that. Stop stirring.
Distributist is pretty damn good. Biggest takeaway from the vid is this: While distributist isn't himself a white nationalist, he shares the anger of many here that Alt Hyp could so quickly turn on a dime and abandon their views, especially seeing as they were responsible for many here coming into the alt-right. This is symptomatic of the Alt-right's leadership problem and demonstrates the need for a more well-rounded approach to politics rather then pure Enlightenment empiricism. Studies aren't the end-all be-all of politics, heuristic wisdom can teach us much.
OY VEY WHITE PEOPLE HATE FREE SPEECH SO WHY AREN'T YOU OPENING YOUR BORDERS TO BROWN PEOPLE GOYIM?!
>This is symptomatic of the Alt-right's leadership problem and demonstrates the need for a more well-rounded approach to politics rather then pure Enlightenment empiricism. Studies aren't the end-all be-all of politics, heuristic wisdom can teach us much.
that's a cop out for being too retarded and/or lazy to create a case and make a coherent challenge to the data.
I didn't even think it was possible to go back.
I like this view
Whites are not as tribalistic and collective as asian, blacks and others. The idea of a monolithic racial nationalist movement is very retarded to begin with unless non of the participants don't give a shit about their own ethnic people or has no connection to his or her cultural heritage, native language or traditions.
White ethnostate will need to be totalitarian in order to stay "pure".
"Ryan's people" are the ones who create and sustain the first world. In a video or two ago, he realizes that those people are a /subset/ of whites, they circle the North Sea.
Independently, a black guy asked if he'd be let into the ethnostate, and Ryan said 'yes'. Why? who knows? Ryan said it's because the black guy is an ally. More statistics, and a) not all whites want to save themselves b) in some statistics, whites are no better than some colored people. Ryan says 'fuck it, my people are REPUBLICANS'! (no joke - Republicans).
Did Ryan take a black lover? Get tired of fighting? Reach the final truth? Who knows, though the last one I doubt.
same here, i found racial IQ differences from this guy way before his channel was called althype
he used to pick fights with actual biologists
i think the gayness finally got to him and 2 years from now we'll see him become a tranny or something
Except when you agree with the data you don't need to challenge it.
The System is not going to allow a white ethnostate. They are also not going to allow a Civic Nationalist state. Both have a 0% chance of happening.
All of this LARPing is so stupid.
Whites are going to be dwindled down to a small minority, and the nonwhites will be gaslit into hating us and our culture. Any resistance to this ill be put down with extreme prejudice. That is what *IS* going to happen.
Neither Civic Nationalism nor White Ethnostate are in any way viable and this debating and LARPing is just dumb. These people mean to DESTROY us and they are playing for keeps. Believe it.