Is being gay a choice? Or are people just born that way?

It can't be treated. Basedboys can, but gay people can't be treated. You can try testosterone and stuff but nope, and by the way it must have to do with what you saw when you were a child, I swear, furries and stuff had to be the way they are because they saw furry stuff on the TV, I bet.
If my life goes well I'm probably doing a research on this but I'd have to do Psychology and I'm on Computer Science. If you know any psychologist or something, just ask him if he wants free funding to prove right-wingers wrong and get that sweet Soros money (even if it just proves it's a disease lol)

Something in your genetics probably makes you more susceptible to turning gay based on environmental factors during childhood.

>If being gay is a choice for you, it's because you're Canadian.
Ftfy

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genetic

>furries and stuff had to be the way they are because they saw furry stuff on the TV, I bet.
There are cave paintings of anthropomorphic animals, user. Don't think they had Disney's adaptation of Robbin Hood during the paleolithic.

>blames canada
>is the source of the world's degeneracy

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Robin* Hood.

>Is being gay a choice? Or are people just born that way?
i chose to be born that way

what now you antifag profag fags

Everything is a choice.
I want to kill most people I meet, but I don't.
That's also a choice.

Its environmental.

It's a choice, the ultimate redpill learning that women are absolute cancer and that fucking men is based.

I'm not a Jew

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_für_Sexualwissenschaft

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Okay, so that disproves my theory. So furries and those degenerate people are really mentally ill, I wonder if I am too desu but I feel like it has to do with something else I can't control. Also, therapies didn't ever work so why bother trying, bet it isn't a real sickness.

youtube.com/watch?v=isIw2AN_-XU

being a nigger is a choice

Born that way. No way I could find attractive.

Prove it

Yeah, onions and blablabla. And I tried to consume more onions to see if Jow Forums was right, and I felt more attracted to boys, so there must be something to do with testosterone then, so it isn't a mental illness, well that explains why most gay people act like girls.

Neither. It is forced into their minds by Satan.

More generally, is making a choice gay?

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The correlation of mental illness and/or sexual childhood trauma and being anything but heterosexual really needs to be brought to light.

>Biology says you need to fuck things
>Genetics says you need to fuck the opposite gender to reproduce
>Culture says you should only fuck women to ensure that all of your energy goes into producing the next generation

Most men would fuck just about anything that moves if it was culturally acceptable. You can say that being gay or bestiality is wrong, but why are they practiced so wildly throughout the animal kingdom? You can say that man is smart enough to turn it into a choice, but I'm not about to stop fucking sweetboipussy cause some cuck on the internet thinks it's wrong.

youtube.com/watch?v=ABM8RTVYaVw

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It's jewish subversion

Both. its cool to be gay or have your own personal gender, but some people are repulsed by woman one way or another but not by men; making them gay.
>also unironically getting pissed off since people dont want to fuck roasties

Feminists really hate gays/bisexuals, btw. No power over them.

Porn is a mental illness induced by watching porn. I thought I was gay when I was watching porn a lot. Now i quit porn and I hate gay people now

It's a choice, and the result of low iq+mental/sexual abuse.

There is a very specific and well worked out method wealthy white "liberals" use to mentally fuck susceptible males into thinking penis in hairy butthole is anything other than disgusting.

Tldr; Pavlovian abuse/conditioning

Both. A few are born that way, but the vast majority choose to be gay to virtue-signal.

Everyone has some level of desire with people of the same sex, especially those aged 12-21, theres a reason why these kinds of relationships were common in some ancient civilizations. If you haven't noticed, people looking for a same sex male partner look for characteristics that would remind them of someone aged 12-21, meaning minimal body hair and minimal facial hair and a baby face.
Its just some chose to exercise these desires and forge and degenerate identity based off of it and think they are special for feeling these desires.
I'm ok with people fucking males for fun, but its just the gay identity that is degenerate.

Homosexuality is most likely a mental illness. It’s completely normal to have genetic mutations so being homosexual is a natural occurrence. You are free to judge homosexual behavior although you shouldn’t hate homosexuals for simply being born the way they are.

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>people are born gay
>source:
Literally no scientific evidence that supports your claim only speculation.

I honestly don’t understand how anybody can be attracted to women, let alone love them. Merely hearing some cocksock’s obnoxious, high-pitched voice makes my dick shrink.

fag here, I absolutely hate "gay pride" and shit like that, being proud of taking dick in the ass instead of fucking pussy is degenerate, nevermind celebrating it publicly, and having events based around it

as soon as we find the gay gene, we can start treating them like blacks and downs syndrome babies....sell the body parts, homo's are worth more that way....

US-Uganda combined anti-gay research fund when?

most are abused as kids
hence most got for older men like their abusers were

we'll start a go-fund-me page.....that would be an epic troll...

Lol . I think some important stuff has been overlooked here. The environment. All the estrogen mimicking stuff in plastics are a serious problem - gay frogs. I think there is an environmental component to it that is not getting enough attention. Being gay isn't normal. Being gay isn't going to make children so for me it seems like it can't be genetic because they don't make kids to pass on "gayness" to. We in the west got a problem in our environment. It's an attack on us or a consequence of being careless about plastics and stuff.

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You can't be born gay, that would mean being gay is genetic. It's a choice heavily influenced by one's environment during growth and development.

> homosexuality is a conditioned response and not an intrinsic, lifelong, EXCLUSIVE attraction to the opposite sex

> ecologists project their egalitarian virtue signaling onto animal examples

> correlation between birth order as well as the separate correlation between childhood sexual abuse and latent homosexuality demonstrates it is not "built-in" as the (((orientation model of human sexuality))) would have you believe

> historical examples like Greeks and Spartans and others considered homosexuality to be a behavior, not an "orientation", and was in no way a substitute for wife who gives you kids, female prostitutes, etc.

> you can prove homosexuality is dysgenic by the following thought experiment: what if 100% of people were in a state of complete reproductive dysfunction, which is what homosexuality is? clearly the consequences are fatal to a society. what about 50%? rampant gene extinction, genetic drift goes off the charts, uncountable adaptive alleles fall away to the abyss. 25%? the unseen consequences may be harder to detect, but we know as a matter of consistency it's half as deleterious as 50%. 5% incidence of reproductive dysfunction? preferable to 25%, not preferable to 0%.

transsexuality is an even more subversive version of this concept (orientation model) refined for 21st century.

true conservatives are interested in protecting civilization and the family and are thus opposed to dysgenics, it's not simply prejudice

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Whilst not normal, saying it can be genetic since it doesnt benefit having children is somewhat backwards seeing how physical and mental (inb4 jew scheme) disorders and abnormalities can be passed along as well. Seems counter productive to pass along genes that would end up killing you early, yet still happens

It's a choice like schizophrenia is a choice.

A lot of them get raped by older gay men when they're younger, they internalize it and come to believe that they were born that way instead of forced into it by a creepy pedophile. That's how sodomites reproduce, as it were.

Also lesbians don't actually exist. They're just women that really hate men for whatever reason and feel more emotionally bonded to another women. I mean just about everything that they do in bed is simply a replacement for a penis. At least gay men do shit that can only be replicated by another man, as disgusting as that is.

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It should be a choice. Options: straight or death.

this. environmental factors can make it worse or cause it to become apparent, the main difference is more research has been conducted into schizophrenia due to it being seen as a bad thing (since it is), making medicine for it available as well as understanding it. The main problem with fags is that they dont want to be at any way be told that its a mental abnormality when it is, whether that in itself is a bad thing is up to them, but they'd take it as so since fags are ironically enough, fucking pussies

gay people are the worst humans. there is nothign worse. look at what they did with that baker. i mean fucking cake. they ruined another human being's life over a fucking cake. fuck all homosexuals. they'renot a fuckin protected minorities,. fuck them

Does anyone else think it's probably a mix of both?

I've known two dudes that were into that kind of stuff and they had two completely different personalities.

The first dude I knew was from college; was a hippy-ish dude that had mid length auburn hair with aviator glasses and he would get drunk all the time and just wanted to bang whatever and said shit like "people are people maan, just have fun" and bullshit like that. I totally think he just had no self control and was just getting his rocks off.

The second dude though. This fucking guy. You probably knew someone in your life like him yourself, desu.

This kid in middle school would sit in the corner of the playground in recess and would just read Stephen King novels all day and not talk to ANYONE except occasionally the two fat kids who would talk to him every now and then, but I was never sure he liked talking to them or not. I didn't keep too much of a close eye on him since I had other shit to do, but the funniest fucking thing I had ever seen was this one girl, we'll just call her Angie, was absolutely OBSESSED with this guy. She would pass him notes and ask him for his phone number, etc. She does this one day and is just chatting up a storm with him like 3 seats away from me in class and he just hoarses out "I--can I finish this chapter first" and she of course got pissed off about it.

Years later I found out from a friend that he went off to a community college and he went full flaming macbook hipster tier so I don't fucking know whether there's a small percentage where it's genetic or not, because that guy was locked in from 6th or 7th grade at the very least or so.

Whether it's a neurological disorder is a different question.

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I never chose to be bisexual.

*snap*

Convenient how most of the sources tend to be literal fundamentalist propaganda websites and laughably low-quality studies.

>Does Maltreatment in Childhood Affect Sexual Orientation in Adulthood?
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3535560/
archive.fo/6D8YE

>Study: Homosexuality Linked with Childhood Trauma
archive.is/yfjOu (news article)
archive.fo/6D8YE (archive link to study)

>The proportions of heterosexual and homosexual pedophiles among sex offenders against children: an exploratory study.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756/

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It's a LEARNED behavior cause by trauma or abuse at early age.

>meaning minimal body hair and minimal facial hair and a baby face.
I like guys with some body hair and mature facial features. Most gays I know do as well.

were you circumcised?
sometimes it's enough to stunt the testosterone system and dramatically change the personality for life

>This, of course, would not indicate that androphilic males have a greater propensity to offend against children.
>studies directly assessing the association between these diverse types of maltreatment and sexuality cannot disentangle the causal direction because the sequencing of maltreatment and emerging sexuality is difficult to ascertain
Read your own links.

Yeah I was born in the 90s when it was more common. I don't have any issues with testosterone levels though.

checked
far more than you've got, read the others too

I became gay after watching too much bbc porn. At some point the girl wasn't getting me off, but the black stud was. That morphed into black on white gay porn, and eventual difficult acceptance that I had become gay. Bare in mind I was 100% straight before this.

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this is an article from a left leaning website you probably will scoff at:
>Extreme trauma from male circumcision causes damage to areas of brain
archive.is/TuTi5
but this is from an actual study:
>Ritual circumcision and risk of autism spectrum disorder in 0- to 9-year-old boys: national cohort study in Denmark
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4530408/

I’m gay.
I really don’t wanna be this way. I’ve tried the hookup culture (briefly) and it’s so disgusting. I don’t want to be this way.
Is there any way I can change this and be normal?

If it's a genetic trait one is born with, and effectively causes the organism to not reproduce; what the fuck causes it to continue existing in a population?
It's obviously a psychological defect, probably brought on by a degenerate environment.

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yes, more news at 11

If being gay is a choice, why would you choose to be straight? Women are horrible and children are even worse.

Its a choice thats more popular lately because

1. Alimoney and lack of mens rights
2. Kids cost 250 grand and are easier to raise with two working men
3. Social propaganda

We are all born sinners, but if you embrace it and refuse to repent, you can't be forgiven.
Step one is admit your sin and repent.

Also, let's not forget that according to Romans chapter one, sodomy is a curse God inflicts on those who deny Him as Creator.

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Statistics on gays and marriage:

archive.is/Uajwi

Science on gays as parents:

archive.is/9sqNr

The benefits of gay marriage:

archive.is/0I0EO

Genetic Evidence of Homosexuality:

archive.is/grwgp

Does conversion therapy work:

archive.is/uPIbi

HIV information:

archive.is/oJS6y

Are gays more likely to be pedophiles?

archive.is/gK3Si

Is being gay a mental illness?

psc.dss.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites//rainbow/html/facts_mental_health.html

They identify with their Anima.

The Anima is basically the inner soul for men, which is female. The Animus is the male sole in females.

I will post some stuff on Anima posession.

Its a theory put forth by Carl Jung

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Once a boy is exposed to modern western women, it turns them gay

I'll put it this way; no matter what influences being gay (nature or nurture) being gay is not a 'choice'.

something outside of the fags control forced them to be that way. If you argue that some have repressed desire for hetero sex then you're a spectrum tumblr faggot and that's worse than just fucking dudes.
You're welcome faggots

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both

>children are bad
Bitter cat-owning basedboy detected

evidence?

Lol. Children are literal leeches. Say goodbye to any sense of self and freedom once you have them.

The question is a false dichotomy.
Choice or innate, the behavior is abhorrent and deviant.

You might as well ask if alcoholism is inborn or a choice...

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Yes. The idea that "they can't help it" is to forge a permanent excuse for them. Look up the "Born Gay Hoax" speech on youtube if it's still up.

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it cant be treated

it would be as difficulty as curing someone with down syndrome

>waaaah fulfilling my evolutionary function is too hard
You people are as bad as cool wine aunts

>evolutionary function is too hard
lul
my priorities are so fucking different, i really cant care less

but someone needs to pump those babies out

The treatment paradigm is more like addiction recovery. The individual has obtained dopamine reward for sexual behavior and becomes uninhibited and even seeks the stimuli when bored or trying to self "medicate".

You can take a more aversive approach, but apomorphine and rubber bands has never been as potent as finding a place within heterosexual society, a good job, a steady engagement with a spiritual community. Walking away is possible and there are people who are willing to help you.

If you look back though... pillar of salt baby, you usually only get one chance.

1 Corinthians 6:7-11

>7 The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? 8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

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you get gay, by getting abused in childhood or promoting it as normal thing, and people trying it out

It's called the Diathesis/Stress model.

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being gay is continuing sexual abuse

Obviously this child was born with the innate desire to be held closely by another, older, male directly adjacent to his bejeweled phallus.

Anyone who tells you this is not a completely natural thing intrinsic to the human condition from birth is a bigot and a homophobe.

He was a born a homosexual with a healthy desire to engage in homosexual activities from his first breath on earth to his last haggard breath due to Pneumocystis Pneumonia brought on by his AIDS at the age of 43.

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I always been this way.

For me it was a choice, at least acting on it and investing in a gay relationship. I had been with fifteen or more women before I tried to have a relationship with a man. He's kind of a grouchy bitch but I love him and we've been together almost three years. Never fucked around promiscuously with guys like I did women, thankfully.

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Being gay is simply a side effect of being molested as a child. No one is born gay.