So I noticed a little while ago that the left has been pushing, across several states, a massive well funded PR campaign towards killing off the bail industry.
I was on a long term work project in Sacramento, and one day it just started constantly being on the radio, and about a week later follow up counter commercials started coming from the bail industry defending themselves.
I live in Texas, where they are also shilling this shit nonstop, and I assume nationally too. What's the endgame of the left on this? It's so well funded that they obviously have some major skin in the game.
In reading an article about the bill in California on this, this caught my eye about the new system they are proposing:
The bill eliminates the cash-payment bail system and creates a “risk-based” pretrial analysis that will be conducted locally. Counties will establish local agencies to evaluate any individual arrested on felony charges for the person’s likelihood of voluntarily returning for court hearings and their chances of re-arrest.
>Counties will establish local agencies
So a private industry which pays taxes and employs around 25k+ people nationwide will get smoked so that a more inefficient state run body can pop up in every county, employing more useless state bureaucrats on the taxpayer dime? Maybe they ran out of DMV jobs to give the nigresses?
does this have something to do with the tens of thousands of sealed indictments?
John Morales
Probably not, as it's being pushed really heavy at the individual state level and I haven't seen too much pushing at the federal level. Sealed indictments from, say, Mueller, would be Federal charges and not state, ergo state bail laws would not apply.
Grayson Peterson
ahhhhhh, well, I'm out of ideas then
Luis Cooper
I've been trying to consider what the left would have to gain from this, I don't know how they would gain from more control over the bail system instead of leaving it to individual private entities.
In the case of CA, this would be one more large drain of taxpayer dollars as instead of the net plus of receiving money in the form of taxes paid by the bail industry, they'd be using taxes to pay county employees.
They're pushing this *hard* in a few states though, and I'm trying to see what the game is. Short of just using their "risk system" to be assholes to whites or something by charging them higher bail or maybe developing some racist program to use tax dollars or donations or something to pay for peoples bail so the state can collect on it.
Lucas Nelson
It's pretty simple.
When the judge posts a $200 million dollar bail for some alt right guy who committed a non-violent crime, it's obvious to everyone that he's being discriminated against.
When a (((committee))) decides to deny bail because someone is a "nazi" and "at risk" well, they're experts, who are you to disagree? When a (((committee))) decides to let Antifa walk free with, who are you to disagree? Let the experts decide these things.
It's yet another step towards strangling and controlling the population. These bureaucrats want to hide decisions behind groups and systems so that nobody can be held directly responsible. This then enables corruption to flourish as even when something wrong happens, you can't put 'the system' in jail, and obviously 'the system' was wrong, not the individuals who are just 'following the rules'.
They are rigging the game in their favor from the outset so that if you play by the rules, you lose automatically.
Camden Lopez
Easier way to let shitskins walk without posting bail.
Ryan Ward
Is this Gregory Stevens?
Isaiah Long
They want the taxpayer to fund gibs for bail that's all
They have no long term plan other than the gibs.
Gavin Gonzalez
Why are you acting like this? You fucking asshole! Just say Hi Fred and I'll know this isn't a recording. WALNUT? You're talking to my plant!
Ethan Young
>I've been trying to consider what the left would have to gain from this, I don't know how they would gain from more control over the bail system instead of leaving it to individual private entities. Again, gibs. They want the taxpayer to foot it because asking the person requesting the bail bond to go into debt to pay for it iz rayciiiiiiist
Xavier Rodriguez
Takes an extreme tack, but mostly true. They want to beuracratize bail so they can embed another layer of liberal review into the system. Everything that is private and small (like bail bonds which are usually a local guy with a friend in the mayor) is potentially going to act on something other than top level progressive orders and that can't be tolerated. The alt-right is getting backjacked with these systems now but in the near future it will be used to crush everyone not on board with open borders, a society where most people are literal serfs living in company towns, etc.
Jacob Davis
don't know much about the bailbond business but I do know Texas has a completely different system than any other state. t. know a guy who sells insurance to bondsmen across the country
>so that if you play by the rules, you lose automatically. Do unto others as they do unto you- but do it first.
Lincoln Barnes
(((They))) want their pets back on the streets doing their bidding ASAP
Jordan Hughes
The overall goal of leftists in CA is to legalize small crime, anything beside murder (except against white people). Those violent criminals will vote Democrat surely in the next election and forever after
Hudson Richardson
Leaving the ability to decide bail in the hands of local officials allows the mayor/governor/etc to put their finger on the scale. So, for example, if you get caught teaching kids how to commit school shootings and they find a dead child at your desert compound, they could place the bail at zero, without relying on technicalities.
It allows them to selectively apply the law under circumstances that they decide based on their own criteria and not the criteria of the law.
Christopher Ross
Because bail is retarded, you get ridiculously unaffordable bails for nonviolent offenders who then lose their jobs when they're stuck in jail and can't go in, letting the court wreck their life before there's even been a trial, or they "choose" to get involved in the predatory private bonds business. And on the other end; are you really okay with Joe McStabs the alleged serial killer walking out of jail because he happened to be a hedge fund manager with several hundred thousand dollars he could afford to spend on bail? No, probably not.
Pretrial imprisonment should be for the purpose of keeping potentially violent offenders from harming anyone else, the system as it exists is an asinine dinosaur of a system.
Cameron Brooks
Because many thousands of them are guilty of election fraud at a minimum. They fear not being able to get out of jail in time to bus homeless to 3 polling places and pay them 20 bucks.
Logan Carter
They are raising this issue in Seattle too. In the last Seattle Weekly paper the cover story was a debate between the two candidates for district attorney. One very liberal and another who thinks the other isn't liberal enough. Their argument was bail is not calculated proportionally to income, and these people have jobs, families, dependent children, etc. And since this is all pretrial, it is being levied against people who haven't even been convicted of anything, and are supposed to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.
I can't fault the incumbent for being a lib, however. Without his reform of the drug laws and the new program he set up, I would be a felon now and probably would have just an hero'd. Instead, I ended up sitting in front of two social workers asking me about my background and whether or not I would be amenable to treatment, which I most certainly was.
How is killing off the bail bonds industry "nationalizing" it? Also, libtards want this so more criminal vermin will be on the streets to keep the revolving $$$$$$$$$$$$ doors of justice turning faster.
Ryder Brown
So the criteria should be changed. The bondsmen don't determine the value of a bond. A judge does based on certain legal factors, but ultimately it could be whatever he wanted. The bondsmen are just enforcing it.
Advocating for changes to the way bond amounts are calculated would be a much easier fix then scrapping bonds entirely or leaving it up to beurocracy.
One judge can be held accountable. An entire beurocracy exists to shift blame and avoid criticism.
Ryan Morgan
I never understood the concept of bail. >Yeah, we are interested in convicting you of this crime... Oh wait, your rich? Well sure we'll let you go until then. How in any way shape or form is that justice? It's as bad as SJWs saying a person's race and foreign culture should be leniency factors in the justice system, only instead of virtue signaling it's to make a profit
Elijah Russell
The left can arrest you on whatever and then hold you indefinitely because they determine the parameters of risk.
David Morris
This is exactly what is happening God I hate government workers so fucking much. Work 20 years from 18 to 38 and then spend the next 50 living on muh pension like a fucking tumor on societies brain.
Matthew Lee
While awaiting trial, you are in the custody of the police. Bail prevents the police from arbitrarily releasing or holding suspects.
Lincoln Rivera
>The bill eliminates the cash-payment bail system and creates a “risk-based” pretrial analysis that will be conducted locally. Counties will establish local agencies to evaluate any individual arrested on felony charges for the person’s likelihood of voluntarily returning for court hearings and their chances of re-arrest.
That's what bail bondsmen and the courts do efficiently through the market.
John Miller
They run out of immigrants so they go for the next thing, they also make good brown shirts
William Fisher
>I never understood the concept of bail. To make sure you show up for trial. If you put down $50k you will show up to get it back. You aren't actually paying unless you don't show up.. If you instead pay a bail bondsman usually 10%, you don't ever get that back but you instead get dudes hunting you and they can revoke your bond if they think you won't return for court.
Bonds can also not be issued at all, as in you don't get out, for violence or flight risk such as murder charges.
Judges can also set bonds like $500 cash (meaning a bondsman can't get them out) for a drug violation.
Right, the idea is to not do that. Criminal risk agencies will ensure that aspiring rappers are free to practice their craft and violent neo-Nazis are kept in cages where they belong.
Bail is obsolete in California anyway since no one has to go to jail anymore and instead get 2 years of (((therapy))).
James Reyes
Except a Individuals wealth(or lack of) supercedes that. You keep hear these stories of farmers getting into legal trouble for defending their property up North. None of them have ever been convicted, but imagine if you were just some dude living a isolated life who found themselves in that situation. You couldn't go to your job, your family would be up there all alone until you had your court date, and even if you did have the money to pay, that's taking a huge chunk of change out of your life on-top of the court fees your already probably gonna pay to fight this thing.
It's a completely antithetical to the concept of freedom, where a rich autocracy gets extra rights from a supposedly non-profit netural entity (the law).
Evan Rivera
Bail bondsmen are just legal usurers and loan sharks for the desperate and the poor. The state of Oregon eliminated them decades ago and it's gone fine.
Daniel Perry
Oh, well that's certainly more fair if you get the money back, but still has a much larger impact on the poor then the wealthy still.
Congrats on being racist against the poor with your implying they commit more crime.
Caleb Ramirez
Ok, Gregory Stevens, byyee
Nicholas Wilson
Criminal defense lawyer here.
It's a setup to allow for the government suppression of dissidents. A judge will be able to decide how "risky" a particular individual is based on a number of qualitative factors. This sounds good until you realize it means the judge's personal biases will figure into the equation, despite it not being allowed by law. To be clear, this means that two individual charged with the same crime may be given or denied pre-trial release by the same judge solely because of which tribe they may belong to.
It's just another way to increase government power. I admit, it is surprising they're pushing this so hard considering how many (((bail agents))) there are.
Brody Jenkins
It's better than any alternative.
Daniel Morris
>You want to know why they are trying to destroy the bail bonds industry? >Simple. Bounty Hunters. They want to end bounty hunters. Bounty Hunters have about a 91% rate of capturing the criminal who skipped bail. >If someone skips bail and misses a court date, the bail bond agent loses the money paid on their client’s behalf. That is, unless they can catch the client and take them back to the court for trial. >To find a bail jumper or bail skipper, as the person on the run may be called, a bounty hunter may be brought in by the bail bonds agent. >Police departments have many cases to handle and do not have the money or time to pursue everyone guilty of skipping bail. So bounty hunters investigate the bail skipper and figure out where he or she may be hiding. >When the bail skipper is located, they are then taken to court where the bail bondsman is released from the bond agreement and gets his or her money back. >The bounty hunter is paid a percentage of the original bail bond amount. That averages between 10 and 20 percent. >This is what the democrat (aka criminal gang party) want to do away with. They don't want bounty hunters bothering people who they are going to "need" to "vote" (they will vote for them but if the bounty hunter captures them and puts them back in prison then it will make it really difficult to say they voted when they are in the greybar hotel.
Bail for minor offenses is bad. It's a mafia like rip off scheme. The bail companies are not really private, they engage in bribes and kick backs to officials. There should probably be no bail or holding for charges below second degree unless there is a history of not showing up in court.
The danger is not allowing any bail for more serious charges. This can be used selectively to punish dissidents.
We have to be careful not to fall into the trap of defending the corrupt bail industry.
Too many new people on the alt-right just mindless say the opposite of what ever the left does without understanding it.
Same with police brutality issues. just because niggers sometimes lie about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
