Let's discuss something:

>post em
I'm not in stem so I dont troll stem related field job opening ads. All I know is what I've learned from experience: every single stem friend got a job offer before they even graduated... Bosch, nuclear power plans, research institutes, etc.

>I have the impression that in the US a bachelor's degree is the standard degree for most fields of study
Yes
>and a master's is often even looked down upon.
No

Nepotism nets you a job in every field.

Aren't there big differences between the singular field of stem?
Biology for example is payed badly and it's hard to find a job because there are little industrial applications. No one is going to hire you if you're an expert on butterflies.
Mechanical engineering or chemistry on the other hand are applied in many induistries and has better pay and job prospects.

Really? I heard stories that people going to grad school are told that they're "wasting their time instead of starting a career right away"
and "only losers who can't deal with life need more school"

>get internship
>suck their dick
>get sweet job

>Really? I heard stories that people going to grad school are told that they're "wasting their time instead of starting a career right away"
>and "only losers who can't deal with life need more school"
Very rarely I would say that's ever the case. Getting an MS pretty much guarantees you more money. It'll likely become the minimum requirement in the future.

If anything, PhD students are made fun of in the "too autistic for the real world" way.

Well, that's life.
First have to suck a lot of dicks before you can get your own dick sucked.

Interesting, maybe that changed over the years

>First have to suck a lot of dicks before you can get your own dick sucked.
That's why I want my own intern

That's exactly what I mean, in oder to get an intern i.e. getting you dick sucked you first have to work yourself up the ladder i.e. suck a lot of dicks.

>work yourself up the ladder
That's not so simple when the entry level jobs require years of experience in the field. Yes, American employers do this.

I know that American industrial chemists don't usually have to study secondary reactions in processes. The curriculum may be more streamlined. America has a soviet style, limited learning school system.

While i hate the whole school structure, you really need your titles to rank up in pay grade. You'll get stuck in a pay scale bracket based on your educational level most of the time.

I applied for those anyway because fuck em.

Biology has fuck all to do with ''butterflies'' you damn retard.

When you say chemist, do you mean research scientist or the person who works in the store that sells you drugs? Because we call the latter "pharmacists" and they are very well compensated

Only industry that hires them are pharmaceutical and petroleum. Pharmaceuticals is filled with jews who would rather outsource their chemist work (probably to Germany) and petroleum hires are usually based around oil prices.

Also it is a kind of saturated profession due to there not being a lot of profitable uses. Don't forget chemist don't really fall under "economy of scale" theory, so you only need so many chemist even if you are constantly expanding your company.

Also doesn't help that chemist are usually at odds with the modern science-academia cult we have been cursed with. Nothing helps understand this world like an education in chemistry, and an understanding of thermodynamics makes all of the climate discussion painful when you realize no one has any clue as to what they are talking about.

One chemist can do millions of dollars of work very easily. It is why they are paid so much, but is also why the demand for the field is very low.

Retarded & blue pilled. Chemists are the future.

it is many things, they want as much control over chemicals on purpose, and they know your market districts are wholly dependable for what they need.

> for example, you can straight up purchase actual adrenachrome through specific German chemical production firms, an example of such being one manufacturer who's actual website and order page can only be reached through a cryptic link on a flimsy pre-workout front company website

too many Americans will make too many things (mostly explosives w/o telling anyone) that worry (((TBTB)))

they might also put them out of the market lol. but yes your opinions appear congruent with actual US reality

Viability of a master's depends on the field. It's really all about putting yourself above the competition.
And unless you are doing engineering, there is very little you can do with chemistry unless you get a masters or PhD.

The sad truth is that chemistry and physics are what most of the pajeets and chinks come to the US for, so the job a bachelor in chemistry will get you is a shitty redundant lab job, because that is what the foreigners end up doing.

Simple fact of the matter is that competition is way to high for the field of chemistry. It doesn't take a large working knowledge to be profitable in the lab, but it takes a huge amount of knowledge to be profitable outside of the lab. Those non-lab positions are few and far in between and are mostly taken or "reserved" for the older, decorated chemist.

It would take a major advancement in material sciences or something to make the job prospects better. As it is now hiring only a handful of chemist is too cost efficient. So long as a chemist is a niche requirement for most businesses, the available jobs will remain small. I really wish this wasn't the case as I love chemistry, but the work you need to put in to get somewhere with it is simply not worth it. You can spend a 1/4th the time in engineering or accounting and end up making a lot more money in the end.

Sad that is how it works out where the most involved science is also the least in demand. Hopefully that will change in the future.

Good luck feeding yourself while you wait for that future, because it isn't anytime soon. At best 1 decade.

Ironically enough many American chemist make decent money making drugs. Breaking Bad had a bit of truth to it, though the smart ones don't make meth.

You are a fucking cretin. Stop spreading bullshit. Chinks and pejeets are NOT Chemists, they are working in call centres.

Also can you describe the industry in Germany? I always got the impression chemistry in Germany is held in very high regard due to history; at least much higher than over here. I'm interested in how you guys find work for them or if there's the same sort of job scarcity we have over here.

Like I said in another post, your options as a chemist is usually a choice between work for a pharmaceutical or work for a petroleum refinery (which is pretty cushy to be fair).

I didn't say every biologist was a butterfly catcher but there are surely some and they, like other useless specialists, such as marine biologists often ever start wondering why they can't find a job after they graduate.

>memeflag defending pajeets and chinks
Show flag. Anyone in stem can reaffirm what I have stated, and the reason high knowledge grunt work is mostly done by chinks and pajeets.
Or do you think the pharmaceutical jews hire white american chemist at fair wages? Lab technician pay would be a lot higher if they did.

Biology is the same way here. It's usually the students aspiring for medical school but don't quite have what it takes. Honestly it seems things are fairly similar between the US and Germany as far as stem fields go. Although H1Bs are destroying wages for us. Hopefully it doesn't happen to you too.

Very good post. Thankfully, white schools still hire white science teachers. Every normal white man who lifts but fell for the chemistry meme should look into it.

The german chem industry ist pretty good, big names are Bayer, Henkel and the BASF which is as far as I know the biggest chem company in the world. The big car companies, Mercedes, VW, BMW... are also employing a lot of chemists

How many non-germans are typically employed in those positions? How's the life style of those who take the lower end lab jobs?

Issue in America is that the life you get for the amount of work you put into the education is not worth it at all unless you absolutely love the work. I'm talking very low disposable income for a job where you are treated as disposable. Some even go for the PhD and don't end up doing anything with it because those type of jobs are so rare. I suspect we just have a large enough population to fill these professions easily, and our ridiculous H1B program ensures even more candidates who will take a much lower wage than a native ever would.

I would love for chemist to become a more common job, but the issue is chemistry is a supportive industry so it needs bigger industries to support. Chemistry doesn't make money directly, so it becomes hard for our free market to generate such jobs.

Until such a time, there is no real incentive for young students to plan a future in chemistry. I mean why would they when they can do something like accounting that requires half the education, half the mathematics, pays just as well if not more, and has an actual demand for work? It's silly when you compare them side by side. It's like you can give 50% effort for 50% faster return, or 100% effort for the same return in twice the time. Truly requires a passion to stick with chemistry in today's economic climate.

Hopefully this will change in the future, because chemistry is easily the most rewarding science to learn the complexities of. It really should have better economic prospects than it currently does (unless you are connected, of course).

underrated

If you don't have a Master's, relevant work experience in your field, or connections in your desired field... good luck with your supposedly unstoppable STEM degree.

There are some foreign workers but mostly from other european countries. Speaking german is often a requirement. Lower positions are taken by people who got an Ausbildung as a Chemielaborant or Chemisch-Technischer-Assistent. These people didn't go to university and are skilled workers. Management and leading Positions, such as leader of a reasearch lab are solely taken by PhD Chemists.
As I said more than 80% of chemistry students get their PhD, and those who don't normally don't work in the Industry, at least not in research. They're doing sales, or become a journalist, or a teacher, or they study business after that and start doing quality management in the chem industry.