Prison industrial complex

Hangings are cheap.
It's costly to let criminals run around

Ropes and shovels are cheap, shut up

prison system isn't a problem? it's been proven that things like solitary confinement shatters people's minds and they go crazy. the inmates are the ones who really run the jails, the CO's are just high priced babysitters. jail is supposed to reform and rehabilitate, but it does neither of these things. people come out worse than when they went in, every time. jail mentality isn't something you walk away from, it's part of you after that.

but yes, the court system is part of the problem. the cops are mostly unwitting accomplices in feeding that machine. everything about it is fucked.

Why dont niggers stop committing crimes for a few decades so the public defenders can keep up?

>no reason for them to be speedy
it's called the 6th Amendment. You're entitled to a speedy trial. Now - what is speedy? That depends. The trial courts' schedules are not full b/c of appeals. Appellate courts handle appeals. What did you do anyway? 100k is a lot of money for criminal defense

I'm not saying that there aren't problems with the prison system. I spent a week in solitary and it wasn't great. the specific problem of having years of your life wasted while the courts slowly go through your case has nothing to do with it though.

You do realize that district attorneys also have to juggle hundreds of cases?

Actually you have a right to a speedy trial, you can be tried within a month if you so choose

prison state is a grim necessity when you have a 'society' but not a 'people'

i'd like to know also. 100k? unreasonable unless it was murder or something. maybe he put an extra zero and it was 10k. you don't rack up a bill like that unless you're going to trial for years for some serious shit.

>thinking committing a crime is just shit that happens to people

>it's been proven that things like solitary confinement shatters people's minds
People generally dont just randomly end up in solitary.
>they go there because they are a risk to be around

> jail is supposed to reform and rehabilitate
No jail is supposed to punish, reform and rehabilitate. It depends on what you do.

This exactly. Prosecutors are overworked to the max and routinely fuck up b/c of it

If it's such a bleeding tragedy, so unjust and cruel, why didn't this fine upstanding lawyer pay his bail instead of letting him rot in jail for three years?

Probably because he'd jump on bail, or it's easier to cry about people getting shot then try and stop the shooter. Bitch.

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basically your option is to waive your right to a speedy trial or get pushed through a kangaroo court where you are likely to get fucked even if you are innocent.

I don't want to go into what I did but it was pretty much bullshit. I was basically charged with being in the same place as a friend who was getting hit with more serious shit. they wanted me to turn on him and I refused so they added more bs charges against me. then as soon as they got a conviction on him they dropped all my charges.

Generally the average person doesn't like criminals.
Secondly, In a lot of places felons lose their right to vote. Why campaign to people who can't legally vote. I aknowledge this argument is made slightly weaker since the democrats campaigned heavily towards Illegal immigrants, but then again Clinton lost. Which shows it's not a winning strategy.

maybe if certain "people" stopped committing so much fucking crime our systems wouldn't be so strained

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you're missing the point. people get railroaded frequently. imaginary multiple charges for things that never happened.

for example: hypothetical bar fight. two guys get into an argument while drunk, someone throws a punch, guys get into brawl, someone gets knocked out.

shouldn't be a big deal. but the courts will ring that up as:

Assault
Battery
Public Intoxication
Recklessness
Disturbing the Peace

where each individual charge carries it's own mandatory jail time. but this is what they do. they will take a garden variety bar fight and turn it into a multiple felony criminal case. this isn't fair or just in any way. and unless you've ever dealt with this, you have no idea how they operate.

>what are bondsmen?
SAGE

that's not how speedy trial works.
Sounds like your friend committed some serious crimes

can we stop acting like any politicians give a fuck about us? we are 350+ million numbers.

In America, many are mega-rich because they put a lot of niggers in jails and the system is privatized.

all they want is that guilty plea. i'm sorry you had to go through that user, sincerely. like i said everyone thinks the courts are there to protect people but it's not. america incarcerates more people than any country in the world. it's a giant corrupt money making machine. and the average person is the ultimate victim.

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3 years is a long time in a system where you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

Politicians have to get donations somewhere. It won't hit them for a while, especially if they're trying to decriminalize drugs. They're all two-faced or retarded.
Notice how once they're out of office or can't do anything many politicians from Boehner to Garcetti to Schumer are now supporting marijuana legalization or taking taking positions associated with marijuana? This is years or decades after politicians seeing disproportionate arrests or charges for possession.
Then again, marijuana has been a non-arrestable offense for decades and there is still jail and prison overcrowding that forced early release of non-violent arrests.
There's really nothing wrong with Federal drug laws either. Most of those who were pardoned by Obama didn't have just marijuana, usually heroin and cocaine along with pounds of marijuana.

At least it's better than japan

he was acquited, doesn't mean he didn't do it nor the case against him didn't exist

he literally dindu nuffin but ended up with 10 years on a felony conviction anyway

I do work in the system though. What you're describing, and that myriad of charges going all the way to conviction, is a rarity. What's more common is prosecutors are too overworked to deliver the focus they need on each case, the resulting record is abysmal, and judges dismiss cases on technicalities or throw out the best evidence on technicalities. People also get much better plea deals than they deserve bc the State just can't handle it all. Defense attorneys fund the judge's political campaigns and many judges where I live are defense-oriented as a result; in some cases they're willing to be overthrown by an appellate court later just to make an important donor happy in the short term.

Would be interesting to see that broken down by race.
Prison populations were never that bad until a few decades ago.

>does the average american not care that we live in a police state?
what the average American doesn't understand is that half this country is inhuman ape people

bail might have simply been too high. most people think that whatever bail is, all you have to do is pay 10%. it doesn't work like that. you can only do so if you have collateral to put up against the rest of the difference (car, house, etc). for example 50,000 cash or $5,000 bond, but you need something worth $50k to also throw in. not alot of people have assets worth that much that they own. if you're leasing a car from the bank, you don't own it yet and can't use it as collateral. judges who also want to fuck people will give no bond option, full bail only. this is what could have happened. they can even give no bond if they choose, in case they feel the person might be a flight risk.

people not being able to bail out is more common that you think.

Was it a jury trial? If he literally didn't do it why doesn't he appeal?
Derp

Now show only white Americans.

exactly
>have high crime rate
>be surprised that theres a long line of crooks waiting for their hearing
>blame wypipo

>>they go there because they are a risk to be around
Or in some cases because they're in danger being around others like Tommy Robinson's case, as bad as his solitary was (and it was done purposely) if he was in general population he would've been killed.

guess who owns majority share in the private prison system?

All Empires need Slaves........

13th Amendment
Amendment XIII
Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude,

except as a punishment for crime

whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiii

Smoke a joint become a slave......

those charts are around, i'll look for them. in the meantime he's a graph showing who's in jail for what.

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You don’t get it you dumb fucker, it’s irrelevant if they commit it or not if they have no choice but to plea.

a rich capitalist cis white male

IMO if it was between general pop and solitary I would pick solitary.

it's not a rarity in NYC. they will seek time for the 'top charge' and rarely give no fucks about the lesser charges - as long as you plead out. but that's all they want, more guilty pleas, the DA looks like they're doing a great job, they keep their percentage up. public perception is that another bad guy is put away.

but the reality is they're giving you a rock and a hard place fallacy option. it's either "do what we want and plead to this, or go to trial and you are guaranteed to get worse". it's fucking illegal. how do you sleep at night knowing this.

If you mean plea deals, pleading is a choice. There's never "no choice but to plea," unless of course you think a jury will buy the case Beyond a Reasonable Doubt and you're fucked

it was a jury trial but the jury was a bunch of cucks. I don't know if he's appealing or not. I was advised by my lawyer to avoid contact with him. I feel guilty about it but I don't want any more trabble.

if you're guaranteed to get worse at trial it sounds like there's a large chance you did the crime and deserve to be in jail.
Why are the people in this thread making so many excuses for criminal, degenerate behavior

Riker's Island is a maximum security prison. You do not get sent there for jaywalking.

Bullshit. It's a legal tactic called "distancing". The state is ready to prosecute from the moment they indict. The defense will often delay the trial for years because people stop giving a shit and witnesses move/die. That lawyer did the whole thing on purpose and now wants sympathy because his trick worked. Fuck him.

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Just don’t commit crime

They are too busy playing the popularity contest and pretending to hate capitalism to care.

man, you have no idea how many crimes you have to commit and times you have to seriously fuck up before going to jail. You are given every fucking chance in the world to stay out of jail. This asshole in the original tweet probaby got arrested a dozen times before being thrown in jail.
That is the reality. The people in jail, especially in Riker FUCKING BELONG THERE

probably jews, to be honest.

That's too bad. Of course juries and the system can get it wrong but if he has a good case to make he can and should prevail on appeal.
But desu it sounds like he probably did commit a crime (I'm thinking it's at least more likely than not) and so deserves to do some time. This is just a basic part of the social contract and the only person he has to blame is himself

>how do you sleep at night knowing this.
I did my articles for my countries National Prosecuting Authority. Trust me, you sleep very well.

First off, its a numbers game. So the prosecutor will get his case load assigned and will go through the stack. He will look for the big ticket items - things that get him emotionally, things that could lead to something else (cases that revolve on a question of law) and high-profile items (because it is a career after-all). Those become the priority, all the other cases just need to get closed, so you close them.

I assisted a DPP in a case where we put a guy away for ~300 years for diddling kids. It felt so good, getting that judgement, and then all the kids families thanking you and everything, very emotional. Those are the cases you focus on.

Think of it as legal triage.

Why didn't he just get a bail bond?
> Because when you commit crimes and without having paid your previous bonds, bail bond companies stop lending to you.

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solitary would suck usually they don't let you have anything really maybe a bible

Riker's Island isn't even a prison, much less a maximum security prison. It's a jail. Over three-quarters of the people there haven't even been convicted of anything yet, they're just awaiting trial.

Prisions are not the reason we live in a police state. Fact is, we need an extensive prison system to deal with the nigger problem.
My first concern is what is being done with our data and the internet. The free flow of information is far more important than Jamal getting put in jail for fighting, robbing, and causing trouble in general.

so suspects just have to wait around in jail for years until a public defender is free?

>maybe a bible
Again i would be fine with that. Studying the bible would keep the mind busy.

This exactly. My county lets so much scum free just bc we can't handle the sheer volume of crime
what's so hard about this

Never understood why people think marijuana is a huge problem. Mentioned that California had decriminalized decades ago, yet were forced to release tens of thousands non-violent prisoners due to overcrowding.
Quite a few seem to think a joint or ounce will get you Federal drugs sentence, that's usually pounds of weed or hard drugs.

Also this.
The courts are the real problem.

No. See

If you currently work 28 cases, are you going to stay up all night in the library reviewing precedent? The PDs convince their defendants that the best outcome is to plea.

>great idea let's let all suspected murderers walk free until they're convicted
How about we have speedy trials, if you can't make a trial case in 3 months you shouldn't be charging someone to start with.

Looks like that nigger should of been born a Jew Kike and become a lawyer instead of a criminal nigger

It probably is the best outcome if they're guilty and the evidence is good. I'm still failing to see what's wrong with putting criminals in jail. Everyone's acting like between going to trial and plea deal there should be an option called "completely get away with it after you've been caught and substantial evidence has been marshaled against you"

the conviction is 100% because my friend is white and the "victims" of his "crime" were not.

What if it's not murder?

so you've just pulled 3 months out of your ass I see. In fact we do have a right to a speedy trial (6th A) but what constitutes speedy has to be based on a number of contextual factors. The courts do not have the resources to see every case that quickly and must be selective. But if you move for your right to a speedy trial and you don't get one, the whole case can be dismissed depending on the circumstances.

Just do push-ups to failure, you'll tire out and probably sleep for hours or get knocked if you face plant mid-push-up

I don't know where you are from, but in la county you have a right to a trial in 30 days.
Were you waiving time?

As an unrelated point:
I do believe people should at least be compensated for time spent in custody. If you are convicted, the time spent in custody before conviction is deducted from your sentence. So it only makes sense that if you are found to be innocent, then you should be compensated for the time.

America was never designed for its citizens to be poor and stupid unless it was their choice. If they choose to be poor and stupid, there is a place called the department of correction .

there you again have a choice, correct your behavior or realize that your home will be jail until you either die or wisen up.

stop blaming everyone else in the world for your singular problems, be smarter than what you are working with in all aspects of life .

jail is for the ignorant .

honestly that's some paranoid BS and if it were true would be an extremely rare event. Most jurors are people of average intelligence who take their responsibilities seriously and do not take sending someone to prison for a long time lightly.

i'm not making excuses for criminal behavior. i'm sorry you feel like i'm attacking your line of work, but there are glaring issues in the court system. yes, there are terrible people out there; murderes, rapists, pedo's, robbers, arsonists etc. but the court is packed full of nonsensical bullshit time and again and all they want to do is fill jail and prison beds. have you ever stopped to think about how everyone in that courtroom is profiting off other people's suffering? ever thought about how the taxpayer is paying up for what are essentially non-criminals to be housed in jail? how everyone in the entire chain is getting paid? every inmate needs food, clothing, medical, etc.

people are still getting locked up for haing a dime bag on them. people still get railroaded by the courts if a psycho wife/girlfriend is involved and they get stuck with domestic violence even if there was no physical violence. people with no criminal history being dragged through everything. it's illegal, inhumane, and you're living a nice life on the backs of people who can't afford to buy their way out of jail. if someone here is making an excuse, it's you - for your own conscience.

Maybe he should have saved up an emergency fund so he could afford something unexpected like this?

i've been to rikers. i would not wish it on my worst enemy. nobody deserves to be there. you are a horrible person.

>Your average public defender has a laundry list of nigs and spics all in court for small variations of the same charges
>they all good bois goin to church gettin they life on track
>every court room in america filled to burst with hundreds of these subhumans
>"why does court take so long, I just don't get it :c"

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you're proving my point for me. the public defenders and even most hired lawyers give no fucks about the cases, they only want the ones that will make them money or make them famous. it should be about justice, not a new BMW. fuck you, you corrupt sack of shit.

Try not breaking the law.

believe it or not there's more security just to go out to the yard than being in an A1 ultramax.

I don't feel attacked at all. But people here are operating under some serious delusions about the corruption and depravity of our system. It's like the saying not to ascribe to malice what can be ascribed to stupidity. In fact people would be surprised to know how much everything hangs by a thread behind the scenes.
Where I live, the truth of the matter is that you will avoid jail almost completely unless you've committed an egregious crime that carries notoriety or a political will to convict. So DWI and family violence cases will often go completely unpunished by any real means. We hand out "deferred prosecutions" or plea deals where a serious offense will face no time or only time served.

you sound like someone who owns stock in a private prison. get fucked and stop trying to change the subject.

I'd much rather have a lawyer who works for money than one who does it for the self-satisfaction of "justice."

no, they are assigned a public defender right away. however the actual amount of courtroom time is around 5 to 10 minutes. then they adjourn it till next month, where you will get another 10 minutes. they will do this in perpetuity until the case is resolved by plea or trial.

protip: the lawyers get paid for every appearance. they drag it out intentionally. it's not in their interest to actually try and take down a case in one day. that's why people are locked up for years before anything ever gets done.

dude pure public defenders are not "in it for the money" they're people who didn't do well enough in law school to go to a firm and may have a record that prevents them for working for the state, such as a DWI conviction

i don't know. i don't do any drugs, but i've had friends have their lives ruined by getting randomly stopped and frisked for doing nothing. just picked out of the crowd. they made that illegal here in nyc a few years ago because the minority groups said they were being unfairly targeted. but this kept him out of better jobs just because of a single 'dude weed lmao' charge from his teenage years. it's bullshit.

>city of 8.5 million mud people

>why does it take 3 years to get a trial

Truly a mystery

What the fuck is an "A1 ultramax" Do you mean the section at ADX Florence where prisoners are locked in 24/7, or do you mean "supermax?"