Jow Forums collectively sucks Musk's cock over "Neural Lace" announcement

>TRANSHUMANISM
will never happen energy crisis and overpopulation will hit hard soon enough

LOL there's nothing you can do about it, and it's only about 20 to 30 years away.

>Have you though about the ramifications of a technological implant AT ALL?
Yes, many years ago in fact. It goes something like this
>a device can now read human thoughts
>petty despots and zionists begin to salivate
>now they can put an end to espionage and all other threats against their absolute rule
>start reading the thoughts of people they suspect of opposing them
>start reading the thoughts of inventors opposed to them to steal their ideas and profit off them
>eventually a war with a monolithic surveillance state breaks out
>other sides who don't read the thoughts of their own citizens are less efficient and can't compete
>in a desperate bid to stave off defeat they too adopt these measures
>whoever wins the sanctity of the human mind remains violated and the technology is here to stay forever
>the ruling class is now absolute and their power can never be threatened
>humanity becomes something of a hive with drones who can never dissent, even in their own thoughts
>the ayyyy timeline is confirmed as humanity evolves into soulless greys

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Who else here waiting on the second version?

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It's sad to know that there were men who preached this exact moment for centuries. I was shocked when I realized that even over 150 years ago Dostoyevsky even predicted this.

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>it's only about 20 to 30 years away.
You're wrong. It's much closer than that. If you had been paying attention you'd know that the people who headed up DARPA under Obama all left for the private sector when Trump came in. As soon as they walked in the door at faceberg they announced they were working on this sort of technology publicly. That's because these parasites were carrying terabytes worth of stolen, proprietary research data from secret programs with them.

DARPA has been working on mapping out what happens in the human brain when any word is thought of for many years. The research was thorough and carried out at labs and universities all over the country. The fruit of that labor is a clear map of the language of the mind. Now the social media giants have been seeded with that data to prod them into engineering devices capable of reading it in real time without the assistance of fMRI.

I could read your mind right now if I stuck you in a machine. In 5 years google will be able to read every thought you have with a device no larger than a helmet.

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>it could be that just this one time the elite death machine demon blood sacrifice cabal decides to just leave it alone and not take advantage of the most direct and obvious opportunity for the absolute enslavement of humanity that's ever existed in history

TRANSHUMANISTS ARE LITERALLY THE MOST NAIVE RETARDS IN EXISTENCE. HOLY FUCKING SHIT HOW STUPID WOULD YOU HAVE TO BE TO THINK THIS?

>what is an NPC
everything aligns correctly

>mind control tech to be released by CIA front company
>gee guyz maybe it will be "handled fairly on a policy level"
I'm astounded that people this naive are even able to survive day to day life. Honestly what the fuck.

>the level of fatalism in this bread

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>implying there's any plausible scenario in which brain link tech isn't used for mind control

why are you afraid of ascension?

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What's naive about it? I'm not suggesting nefarious organizations won't attempt to use technology for their own intrusive ends. But we see that today. We have policy that at least attempts to limit it in some form. Attempts that reach beyond policy are by definition illegal. Why should a transhumanist society be any different? You're getting worked up about what is essentially a hypothetical future.

>Death of humanity
>Implying we're human
>descriptors
>'magic words' to invoke/evoke a concept or image
Oh Danny booooy; the pipes, the pipes are caaaaling.

>they wo't mind control you... that would be ILLEGAL!!!
>how is that naive?
You have to be fucking kidding. How are you even on this board?

NPC/normie/insect

THEY DONT FUCKING THINK

>implying we arent under constant manipulation & partial\absoloute mind control

>implying the brainlink wouldent level the playingfield for the commoner

>implying elon isnt doing all this to save us from the hellish conditions we live in

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people like you, who live in high trust 99% white communities, usually are naive as shit in the real world.

That argument is no less applicable to our current, organic based reality. If power doesn't respect the law, then what's to stop them from ripping you out of your house right now and brainwashing you, or torturing you for information, or simply enslaving you? The premise of your objection rests on the contingency that in a future transhumanist society, legal, social, and political restraints on power will no longer exist, but you've presented no reason to believe that they won't. You just want us to assume it with you. I won't. All you've really highlighted is the fact that technology that gives third parties access to your consciousness could be misused. You could say the same thing about literally any and every aspect of your life to which power has access.

And yet you won't deign to explain how I'm being naive. All you're doing is making this grand assumption that once power acquires access to this technology, all restraints on power will simply melt away.

I have no reason to agree with that. Give me one.

lamo dont you want 100% perfect photographic memories of every porn and torture video ever made and put online?

This bait was so well done and realistic that even to this day I get phantom asspain every time I see it even though I've already convinced myself that it's fake. That's probably because it might very well be real.

>letting the robots kill us isn't

Yes. Allowing the government to directly control your reward centers through electromagnetic stimulation will surely "level the playing field" and empower you.

The stupidity is just unbelievable.

TRANSHUMANISM
IS
HERESY

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>literal possibility of mind control

Oh gee what do I know I'm only a monkey eating jungle nigger, right?
You better go and install some chip in your brain or whatever as soon as you can, bud!

Yeah. Its a definatly a good one. The premise is not far off, FB did something very similar a few years back with a pool of 600 000 users i think.

>Allowing the government

Not everyone lets the goverment write the patriot act and then vote to keep it in 10 years later.

The stupidity is just unbelievable.

The possibility of mind control already exists. Why is your government not abducting millions of people and brainwashing them? Are there reasons why not? What are they? Why would those reasons cease to exist in a society that embraced transhumanist technology? And if they didn't, what is your objection?

Shut the fuck up you useless cuck.
> oh I can’t like that because plebbit likes it

Elon is doing more for the planet than anyone and I fucking hate reddit

>All you've really highlighted is the fact that technology that gives third parties access to your consciousness could be misused. You could say the same thing about literally any and every aspect of your life to which power has access.
>implying that "misuse" is not occurring in "every aspect of your life to which power has access"
>implying that the fact that I'm not being tortured to death by the government as we speak is somehow evidence that "power respects the law"

You are beyond delusional. This is unbelievable.

Nay, bullshit. Conservatives typically spend the budget on newer, smarter weapons. Conservatives conserve nothing. They always push for progress, despite trying to keep the status quo.

Well somebody's been reading the Culture books.
Probably not Our Guy if he thinks that sounds like a good idea.

What are you even arguing?

Fucking mods do your job and shoah the slide threads.

Misuse of current technology does happen, but again, we attempt to limit it through policy and other social impositions. Once more, you've given no reason to believe these impositions would dissipate with new technology. Not a single one. I wonder if at some point you will get around to that.

Primarly the premise that the goverment would be the one connecting everyone.

Then based on the assumption that goverment control is inevetable i argue that goverments are not identical and that Americans fucked themselfs in that regard.

>Why is your government not abducting millions of people and brainwashing them?
It brainwashes people by our unified education system with marxist ideology, google "MEC" and "Paulo Freire"

>Are there reasons why not? What are they? Why would those reasons cease to exist in a society that embraced transhumanist technology?
They could just upload the programming to the populace mind, much quicker

>And if they didn't, what is your objection?
if they didn't what? if the human desire for power stopped existing?
are you retarded, besides naive?

>i love alons social liberalism he's so fuggin based
>didn't you see him smoke dope haha he's just like my bitch titted smoking buddies

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>"we" do things through policy
>believing in genuine representation in government
>I'm not naive
........Is this trolling?
>yeah people break laws but like there like laws and like there would be laws about mind control too and like yeah people would break them but there would be like laws mann
What argument do you even want me to make? You're openly admitting everything I'm proposing - this tech will be misused.

>It brainwashes people by our unified education system with marxist ideology, google "MEC" and "Paulo Freire"
And yet somehow you escaped the brainwashing. Are these brainwashing attempts illegal in your country? I suspect not. In fact I suspect that are made possible under the color of law. It seems to me like your fears have already come true. Either way, we're no longer talking about a society that imposes legal limits on mind control, but rather one that actively pursues it. But it doesn't need to be that way, right? You agree with that much, don't you?
>They could just upload the programming to the populace mind, much quicker
What if there were grave penalties for that? What if there will failsafes, and reversal mechanisms, and decentralized obstructions to that? I mean, this is all hypothetical technology anyway. If you can imagine government accessing the hypothetical technology for nefarious purposes, I can imagine the user successfully resisting the attempt.
>are you retarded, besides naive?
No, you just need to learn how to read. If they didn't throw off those restraints on power, what then would be your objection to the tech?

Dude, I'm flatfooted. I would literally kill for cyber legs.

>my gubmint is da good guyz... it's just da americans wif bad gubmintz :)
>me good euro gubmint watch out for me :) bring in da good africans :)
Honestly what the fuck is happening in this thread? Is this just incredibly inept shilling?

look around and tell me humanity is worth saving

My argument is pretty clear, if you weren't a brainlet you would've gotten it by now. I'll distill it very easily for you: You don't have reason to believe that the restraints that hold back power today will not hold back power under transhumanist technology. Simple really. If you think you do have reason to believe then, then fucking present it already. If you however don't believe power can be restricted, then you have no stake anyway because you're doomed.

fuck off /ptg/. no one likes you.

we are "evolving" into wrong direction just like (((they))) want. We should become gods, create connection to the source of life, but because cancerous ayys from other dimensions want to keep us into lower, material plane and feed our negative energy, they use this technology to bind us into it. We are creating intelligence that is out of source and i have really bad feelings about it. It will create own reality, matrix. That is how (((they))) keep our souls prisoned to matter even when we should evolve into multidimensional beings.

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>If you however don't believe power can be restricted, then you have no stake anyway because you're doomed.
That's clearly been my position from the start. Power is not presently restricted and will not be restricted in the future. They do things in the most efficient way with respect to their goals. The reason we're not in prison camps or culled is because those actions are not in line with the efficient achievement of the goals of power. Consider: perhaps the goal of power is to get you to willingly give up your personal autonomy to the point of openly consenting to have third parties tamper in your biological organ of will. Perhaps giving consent to this level of self-denial has implications you are not considering. You're pretty hopelessly lost and I'm sure you won't think twice about becoming slavebot 1.0 when the day comes, but good luck to you anyway. Think twice.

>It could be we don't have souls to begin with
How could this ever work on someone?

This. These faggots are clueless or simply shills. I want JIDF to get the fuck out of this thread.

Agreed OP. The largest conflict between the elements that consider themselves right-wing is scientism and tradition. The technologists are no different from globohomos in the end, it's just globohomo with a different face. We must reject technological progress.

this is what the schizo actually believes

>JIDF is mad that Elongated Muskrat wants to make tech used by (((billionaires))) public
Great thread!

I am a materialist with no 'spiritual' beliefs. I understand physics, biology, chemistry, technology and engineering well for a non-professional, so I don't ''fear'' science like some might.

Yet I find it obvious that the creators of a real transhumanist project are not just going to let the plugged-in humans have ''free will'', but use them for their own benefit. Whatever way they can use it. They control everything by the time you let them upload your mind to machine. That's what I'd do in their position. Why would anyone expect the creators to just give some ''pleasure island'' experience to billions of minds for nothing in exchange.

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it is one possibility, high one i can say, after all I've studied these years. There is no redpill in believing, which ever way

>Ayys created matrix around our planet using Saturn and it's rings as source of manipulative lower vibrational frequency, moon as a tool like a speaker multiplying & tuning that frequency until focusing it to earth.

>They come from other dimension and are trying to live as unconnected from the god, source.

>They can't deal energy from that source so they need to use us and our negative, lower vibrational energy.

>They have manipulated human DNA trough our history and created races aiming to create hybrid that they can use better in our dimension same time trying to stop our natural evolution to higher, multidimensional beings.

>they are infiltrated trough hybrids into our societies and created from the shadows this binding world we live in.

>these hybrids are also known as elite bloodlines, vessels to them.

>These bloodlines control everything from the top, some men worship these and material where we are bound into. These men are Satanist. Among Sabbateans, Papacy & Jesuits. They control everything, Banks, Media, CIA, School systems, entertainment, Hollywood. Everything!

>Everything goes trough cycle in this reality, so does our planet and our level of consciousness is rising as we get closer to Sirius. 2012 we entered into age of Aquarius and that's why people are slowly waking up into this. Even when (((they))) try to suppress it.

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and someday, after this world implodes itself from (((geopolitics))), marauding pirate ayys are going to skin the living fuck out of children, wear said skin and then hunt their parents to also enjoy the sensation of their skin

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Zeke Sanders did nothing wrong.

There is always desire to be something more within human. Usually it manifest itself through materialistic ways, sexual ways, trough drugs or parenthood example. It is endless chasing, rat-race that leads nowhere but keeps you busy trough own creation that people calls as life.

We can't remember our time as toddlers because we didn't exist in that time. We had no identity. Only when years has gone while we gathered data from our environment we created identity. When we have our identity, we decide what matters to us. Then we experience impulsive feelings when things didn't go as we wanted.

We are piece of life that creates own image and plays it (Genesis 1:27 So God created man in His own image). We get so tangled to our own creation that it can kill us and bring us into hell. We think that something or someone causes our misery even when we alone create everything within.

We have all this mysterious desire to do something, be something more. It usually manifest itself trough sexual ways, materialistic ways, through parenthood, dating, drugs, games, food, alcohol.. you name it. Through that it leads nowhere, it keeps us happy for a moment and then we need more. So where we are now? We are piece of life that want to experience bigger part of it. Through physical ways it finds not that part and when that need to expand finds no expression we create this pain within. So what to do? This is what meditation is all about. We wan't to think nothing, be nothing because that is just the data we gathered from the physical and created self from it. When we learn to be still, just be as piece of life, something start to happen that seems to expand you into everywhere. It seems to that consciousness, awareness is the basic that exist and everything else is manifest of it.

What (((they))) wan't is to bind us more and more into physical, sins, into that rat-race i wrote about above, so that we wouldn't learn or even think about this.

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If power cannot be restricted, and their goal is to enslave me, I can't stop them anyway. They have power and I do not. So it would be a moot point. I don't understand why someone like you would feel invested in the discussion in the first place. Indeed, if power is absolute, you are already a slave - we all are - because it is only power that determines every aspect of our lives.

Fortunately, it's not true that power is absolute and it's not true that power isn't restricted by law and social conventions. It is, and we can see it everyday. Which is why power needs to manifest its attempts to acquiring more powerful in nefarious ways by using subterfuge and deception. Were power unrestrained by civilized society, it would be naked, and have no need of deception.

And yeah, there are probably are unforeseen and unintended consequences to this hypothetical technology. But because it's hypothetical, it does little good dwelling on those.

What do you mean?

We can't even keep shitty IOT lightbulbs secure and people want to implant computers in their heads? for fucks sake.

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Why do you assume that the tech would be centralized in this manner, and not more decentralized for user protections? Why do you think economic competition would suddenly go out the window, and that competitors offering user-friendly tech would not gain market power? Again, I don't deny that technology can be misused. But I don't see that as any more likely or intrinsic to transhumanist technology than any other form of tech.

You fuckers needs to read Dr. Hugo DeGaris’s books.

If you've already been totally demoralized by being raised in a Cultural Marxist paradigm in which politics is seen as the deepest level of symbolic meaning then it's easy to fall into idiocy like denying that you exist in any meaningful way. Just look at the soundcloud/mummble rapper aesthetic that's so popular with kids now - it's pure nihilism and celebration of decay and death.

It's the next evolution.

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>all Intel chips for decades revealed to have hardware NSA backdoors
>brain link tech being released by CIA front company
>why do you assume it won't be truly decentralized and secure?
GEE WIZ WHY WOULD HE ASSUME THAT I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE WHY HMMMMMMM

>agi-conf.org/2008/artilectwar.pdf
based as fuck

did you even see the podcast? Elon dropped major redpills , he even said AI is bad . low iq fag

Intel has a competitor that doesn't have backdoors. Do you own an AMD chip? Perhaps the NSA backdoor simply isn't of concern to the average Intel user. Perhaps they won't feel the same way about a backdoor in one of the competing techs on the market in a transhumanist society?

You don't like to think through ideas, do you?

>no one likes (you)
>leaf

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The most likely scenario is that Neural-Link will be reserved for special cases, such as crippled people who require them for moving certain limps or their cyber-spine and people running ASI systems in the space force.
Now, what will really happen is Neural-Link and BCI tech will become obsolete by the time they could implement this technology into use.
For the public, they'll use headbands like from Paprika that will be quantumly encrypted and you can take them off anytime, so if you want your mind safe from hackers or the CIA niggers you can.
Btw watch this fucking movie, it's a masterpiece, Satoshi Kon is a fucking god.

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>actor at the head of CIA front company said da good good so he can't be da bad bad
It must be a simple life for you user.

you guys better not be terra cucks

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I know what's wrong with musk, he chose to be the guinea pig for the first neural lace and that shit is malfunctioning.

If this shit helps cure neurological disorders then I'm all for it.

>other company doesn't use backdoors because I haven't been told about it openly by the media yet
Can I have your bank details please? I need them. Trust me. I'm not bad. I'm restricted by laws and social norms. Thanks.

>WELL SHIT, IF THIS WILL HELP SAVE DA CHILDRENZ I'M ALL IN SIGN ME UP FOR ZOG OS 1.0!!
BOOMERS LEAVE NOW

nah man i'll be a fucking cyborg that can do alchemy, imagine harnessing meditation with your gold nanobots swimming in your veins amplifying the effects

So your entire objection to transhumanism rests on the wild speculation that AMD has an NSA backdoor in their chips that we simply don't know about? Very convincing.

>Cosmist detected

Preach. Paprika is God-tier.

exactly
Does humanity appeal to those that have only been show or show the darker sides of humanity?

based
Id go cyborg mode.

>arguing this disohnestly
No. My objection, which has never changed from the start of this conversation, is that every single reason you've given to believe that this tech won't be catastrophically exploited has been absurdly naive. The fact that you believe that there is major corporate tech available on the market that does not have intelligence community back doors is just another example of how ridiculously naive you are.

>The fact that you don't believe things that I can't prove means you're naive
No, it means that you are just in the habit of believing things without evidence to believe them. No surprise there. And I didn't say that a hypothetical technology can't hypothetically be used to 'catastrophically exploit' people. But that possibility (a) exists today, with current tech, making it indistinguishable from transhumanist tech (at least on those grounds) and (b) is tempered by law and convention today, and there is no reason to believe hypothetical transhumanist tech will be made in such a way that it will be impossible to impose enforceable laws and conventions on it. There's just no goddamn reason to believe it, and your entire argument is founded on this guesswork.

Or, could be the Bible is right and the anti-Christ is about ready to step on stage.

Best to be out of the theater first. I hear tell the real owner is going to burn it down and rebuild.

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I assume the cost of development to be massive enough to limit competition. Just like there are not many countries able to develop military jets. False competition and secret cooperation is also a possibility. Cartels, you know.

It won't be open source. There's very little reason to believe that they will be able to ''prove'' their trustworthiness with anything but ''just trust us or don't get plugged in, faggot''. If Neil DeGrasse Tyson is presented as the face of the transhumanist project it, a million redditors will sell their consciousness for free in no time.

>competitors offering user-friendly tech
How do you determine from the outside what is user-friendly?

>any more likely or intrinsic to transhumanist technology than any other form of tech.
Other technologies are not risking my consciousness or free will. No other technology is really an existential threat.

I think, personally, Musk is taking the Cyborg pill as a means to stave-off/postpone the inevitability of the Artilect/Cosmist position and “give humanity a chance.” In doing so, he’s revealed that he’s taken a black pill approach; believing that if we become digitally-enhanced, we will have a chance. The problem with that epistemological choice is that its defeatist in nature. The Globohomo Elite WILL push for AGI, because they believe they will achieve Godhood. AGI is effectively the Kabbalistic Golem of the 21st Century. Take the red pill; a future in which we sell our souls for a fighting chance, or cede our destiny to mechanistic false gods is a zero sum game for what we could have been. Remember. What. They. Took. From. You. Now they want your humanity.

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But you're thinking about the nascent stages of technology, which we can't access anyway. If the technology reaches the larger market, it's already had its early adopters, likely some leading brands on the market, etc., just like any other technology that eventually gets sold as product. Why limit yourself to considering a technology only at its infancy when the dangerous implications you're worried about would require widespread adoption of it? And users can determine what is user-friendly like they do with any other product. Are you assuming that plugging yourself into this technology is an irreversible contract? Why assume that? Try before you buy is not likely to ever go away so long as people buy things.
>Other technologies are not risking my consciousness or free will. No other technology is really an existential threat.
Oh come on. I could think of a few. Or are you only casting it in the role as the user of said technology? Who said people will be forced at gunpoint into becoming posthuman? If it's not a choice, I agree with you, that's a problem. If it is a choice, then don't choose.