Itt we post lolbertarian capitalistic bootlicking (((arguments)))

>USSR would've forbidden Starbucks
USSR bent over to the might of capitalism
Face it, it doesn't work, give it up!

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USSR didn't bend over, since Yeltsin decided to betray the nation being a drunkard scum that he is after 81293819 attempts of CIAniggers meddling.

Funny how same example can be seen in every capitalist country where there's an economic collapse.

BUT THEN ITS NOT TRUE CAPITALISM AM I RIGHT ? #IMWITHHER

The first one is forced against his will
The second one is forced against his will if he's a serf
The third one has the choice to buy an iphone/computer

Do communists not understand free will? It's really basic shit.

Shill

If only there were some way you could be both anti capitalist and anti communist

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> has failed many times

So did all those capitalistic economic crashes that kicked shit ton of people out of their homes while bailing out banks.

Scandinavia is not socialist, it has social democrat system ( socdem!=demsoc) which is liberal in it's essence and is still exploiting workers and heavily taxed system.

Also if you are constantly being subverted with CIAniggers and surrounded by capitalists barking as rabid dogs at your doors, can you really NOT EXPECT that nation millitarizes?

China is socialistic country. You will say state capitalism but in fact socialism is a form of transitory capitalism.
I'd be content if we even had a fucking Swedish system desu, but I think it can be improved with careful planning and no CIAniggery.

> inb4 starvation meme

Only at start and it was from previous owners.

ia801709.us.archive.org/15/items/yoa1985/yoa1985.pdf

A detailed report from 1985 concerning agricultural output. Pages 100–118 deal specifically with the agriculture in the Eastern Bloc. Quote:

‘In the past two decades gains in crop and livestock production and meat consumption have been impressive. […] The Eastern Bloc accounts for a significant share of world production of wheat, rye, barley, oats, potatoes, sunflowerseed, and sugar beets. The U.S.S.R. is the world’s largest producer of potatoes, barley, rye, oats, sunflowerseed and sugar beets. It is second in wheat production and roughly equal with the United States in second place in cotton production.’

p.s. venezuela is privately owned.

Sample.

Paradoxically however, even though they were one of the largest producers they also imported significant tonnes of grain elsewhence, as noted on page 118. Unfortunate weather conditions appear to be at least one factor for this (as one historian noted), but another possibility is that unlike in North America, all of the products were being used rather than just the portion that people afforded.

sorry cant support progressives until they kill all the (((cultural Marxists)))

would rather ally with naziboos if you only fucked off with systemic killing of other races, larping that you wuz tha best and stopped exploiting "subhumans".

Oh and not attackign when signing NAP.

>China is socialistic country.
>Unironically thinking people want to live in China

The kulaks deserved the gulag too, right?

>So did all those capitalistic economic crashes that kicked shit ton of people out of their homes while bailing out banks.

in your complete ignorance you just stated why capitilism is better than socialism

economic crashes and hard times are unavoidable for any country, its just bound to happen. the key difference is that capitlistic systems can bounce bacm from them and socialism cant.

and yah, having my noseburg fuck you for a couple years is aweful, but its way better than what happens in socialistic societies. i would rather be in debt for a year or two than having to hunt down stray dogs to eat or having thousands of people shot in the streets

Aye comrade! What will your job be after the Great Revolution?

I'm hoping they'll let me be the CEO of Amazon

communists are nearly all NPCs with very few rising above that level of cognition.

>be one of the vast majority of humans throughout history who has to work for a living
>have the freedom to choose your job and spend money on what you want
>too lazy to do any of that, just go to adult daycare (university) then work at mcdonalds
>REEE THE SYSTEM ISNT WORKING >:(

>bootlicking
Guaranteed replies.

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When you literally sit on the most fertile land the Earth has to offer it'd take a special kind of retard to fuck this up. Yet the Holodomor happened. Ukraine alone could feed the entire world right now if it was managed properly.
Poland had food shortages starting in 1945 up until 1991 with a short break in the 1980s (due to the government taking ridiculous loans). Gee I wonder why.

To discuss starvation
Let's have a looks at Communist/socialist countries and famines.

>Maos china
>Ukranian famine
>Famines under Kruschev
>Modern Venezuela

And I'd be surprised if the USSR wasn't putting out a lot of farm products. Do you have per capita stats because if you look at the size of it I'd be disappointed if it was anything but one of the largest producers of grain. Putting out 100,000 tonnes (for example) is a lot but if under capitalism/fascism you could do 1,000,000 it's really not that impressive.

>WHY ARENT I MAKING 6 FIGURES? IVE BEEN WORKING AT MCDONALDS FOR 15 YEARS NOW USING THE FRYER
>FUCK CAPITILISM

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Communism is a product

>what communists say they want

Respect, equality, value for all human beings

>what communists really want

Free income without working

Look friend, many people want that, but everyone without brain damage understands they first need to work to live off of accumulated wealth. So if you can't make it, fuck off.

You expecting me to write " card carrying member ?"

Here are jobs I'd like to work after the great revolution

> bricklayer
> comp sci
> automechanic
> aueronautic engineer/mechanic
> junkyardman

Fully srs. If state would let me study multi disciplines and change jobs every few years I'd be more than happy to contribute.

Is there any point to this thread?

I am doing a bit of an informal survey to try to test a theory of mine, what do you do for work, OP?

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>Jews are parasites
Cancer cells or Parasites can profit from an organism, does that make them superior?

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Sorry, you've been assigned to be the janitor in our current five year plan. We are currently considering letting you choose the building you want to clean toilets in starting in your second year of service.

>If state would let me study multi disciplines and change jobs every few years I'd be more than happy to contribute.

You can do that now, numbnuts.

>Here are jobs I'd like to work after the great revolution

What do you do for work now? Why aren't you working on attaining the skills to do any of those jobs today?

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Sage.

>i don't like living under communism
>build walls so people won't leave

how come every communist country has devolved into an absolute dicatorship mass-murder fest?

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Porsche certified master technician.
Worked before 5 years as mechanic.

Earn 95k/year.

Doesn't mean I don't hate the shit others go through because they didn't have the same opportunities I did.

Nope I can't. Studying requires money to afford college, then you need to pay bills and it requires money.
You also need 8 hours minimum of work and minimum wage jobs won't cut it because of stagnating wages and over inflated prices

see

True socialism is unironically feudalism.

Because nobody is literally putting a gun to his head lmfao
There’s a reason commies need big daddy G

How come all political opponents of Hillary ended up being dead?

Communists and Capitalists get the bullet.

Look at NK

That argument is perfectly valid, though. We live in a mobile society. A person who doesn’t like living under a capitalist system can relocate to a socialist/communist country.

Most people who bitch about capitalism don’t have the courage of their convictions.

Labor Value Theory is fake. Supply and demand determines the price

gommunism works guyz

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>Porsche certified master technician.
>Earn 95k/year.

Unlikely, but I'll bite, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and open a shop where the workers own the means of production or whatever it is you're trying to prove here?

Give me your money

>BUT THEN ITS NOT TRUE CAPITALISM AM I RIGHT ? #IMWITHHER
No, they were all examples of true capitalism. Capitalism isn't perfect and we don't pretend it is, but its damn fine alternative for "Gibb ebreyfing to ebreywon frorb free :DDDD"

Why would anyone go to work if they got paid anyway?

Communism works in a vacuum where people are perfect and care about others, but that just doesn't happen in this world so we had thing of something that works in the meantime.

Also, ur a faggot

communists have good instincts about capitalism, but
1) their theories are fucking shit
2) their analysis of the problems is fucking shit
3) their solutions are absolute shit

you following around this century-old dead man and not creating any new advancements to the economic ideas, it's cultish

>because they make profit that means it's ok

Do you have np morals you udder faggot?

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Tfw the USSR falls and McDonald's Corp fulfills the communist's greatest fear, food in Red Square.

Stop being a commiefag and get a job dipshit.

Us capitalists are not under 1 identity like a king or a slave owner. The majority of us are just trying provide for the people we love and trying to enjoy our hard earned work. Sure there may
be some American psychos and not everyone wants to be charitable but the government doesn't have to intervene on that, it should be the choice of humanity it's self. The terms "economy" and "capatilism" are interchangeable. Communism is just a pawnsy scheme that will eventually become bankrupt from both undervaluing commodities and overvaluing them. No one is equal, they are either worth more or less in certain qualities and capatilism just makes that a function of time. I thought this is just common sense to anyone who isn't retarded or autistic. There are a hundreds of arguements against communism in fields including:poltical, economical, mathematical, scientific, historical, psychological, military, philisophical, and ethical ranges of study. It is more real than climate change, so just drop the jew manufactured ideaology that has swayed you with nice words of fairy land utopias. If I had a time machine to take Karl Marx to the present time, he would neck himself before he published the communist manifesto which was written during a time of extreme monopolization, rushed industrilization, and an uneducated populace. Don't think you are special because you are a communist, there have been millions of them before you, most of whom have regretted their decisions later in life. This is not to say that socialism is bad either, because it is a helpful catalyst FOR CAPATILISM. You have to take it with a grain of salt and not be totally reliant on it. INB4: The only reason why nordic countries thrive on SOCIALISM is because we(am Swedish btw) have smart people in power who know how to do basic maths but are unfortunatly anti nazi faggots.

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Shut the fuck up dumbass. It is a goddamn shame Russia got fat after the fall of the Soviet Union. Poisonous American shitfood causes cancer.

Oi vey, it's like anudda shoah

Also, I'm calling it now, OP isn't coming back.

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First because I don't even have enough the funds to start it up by myself.
Second problem is I'd have to pay all the shit and not get tanked by debts.

Co ops arent impossible but when you get into it you'll realize it's pretty hard to sustain the model of it if you want to go big.

Having co op shops though is possible and I'm thinking of doing it with few friends.

>using liberal incorrectly to try and force a contrarian meme

Pathetic. Your lies are clear to anyone with an IQ above 100, which might be why you always push against free speech and open discourse.

why do you not start up your own commune out in the woods away from capitalist civilization if you have the money to spend on things like land, seed and such to start it up.

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>people who lack all ethical integrity are superior

The idea is that they actively exploit western civ to get the position they desire and exert a very active and negative influence with the power they hold.

Karl Marx isn't a jew shithead. Braindead mutt.

Sounds a lot like the bourgeoisie.

Communists actually believe they can make a utopia where everything is fair... lul
>if we just execute all the people who disagree

Not enough considering almost all of them were communists

>It failed many times

WHEN the "economy" crashes under a communist regime, it can only go down (like the parasites you are.). Under capatilism, it can go both up and down.

>food and tools for farming that food, which you'd die without, are the same as muh iphone

An interesting glimpse into the mind of the ungrateful first world commie. Feel free to fuck off to Venezuela so you can enjoy living without all three of these things. Well maybe other than a farming tool but it'll be going through your skull so someone can steal your shoes.

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>mUh vEneZuELa
Keep working for the Jew you braindead monkey.

Soviet citizens had better and healthier diets than Americans.

were calories measured differently back then?
or is murrica taking pride in their obesity

There is or was nothing wrong with slavery, feudalism or capitalism. They were systems that progressed humans through history and the best systems that could be implemented given the current level of technology.

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The worst libertarian argument is "It's ok for Marxists to shut down speech, abrogate rights, and subvert the nation so long as they do it behind the cloak of capitalist enterprise."
They really are autistic liberals.

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>posts a gay thread
>I call him a faggot
CHECKVS MATVS, FAGGOTIS MAXIMVS

And socialism is the next system.

Communists are just autistic liberals, too.

>muh CIAniggers meddling.
You know that the Soviets were meddling in US politics as well? But they didn't fall now, did they?

>I'd have to pay all the shit
So gommunism works great as long as it's someone else saving and sacrificing to provide all the free shit for you.

You allegedly make almost 100K a year and you can't figure out how to save and invest in some "means of production" to share and share alike with "the workers"? Sounds a bit fishy to me. You've supposedly been a mechanic for over 5 years and don't own enough tools to do jobs by yourself?

>Having co op shops though is possible

So why are you shitposting here? Go do it, faggot.

>Says stupid shit
>Gets proven wrong

"I'm not even going to argue with you"

Remember everyone, commies aren't people.

for some reason both OP's refuse to answer my posts(the OP of the thread who I responded too as well as the OP of this particular conversation).

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>history follows a predefined course
>everyone is equal
Marxists are atheistic creationists and idealistic materialists, I don't understand how such a thing is even possible.

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>Reasonably points out how modern capitalism is led by the Jews
>Still worships ideology made and spread by the (((tribe)))

>Karl Marx isn't a jew
Literally cousin to Rothschilds.

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>Better health diets
Sure eating nothing is better than eating cancer laced foods I'll agree.

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I have wife and children to feed, if shop went downhill id go bankrupt and won't eat shit for a long time.
No social safety net to risk it.

You Bongs aren't that far behind us, don't get too snarky about fat Americans when you've got your own love handles to worry about.

[citation needed]

>I have wife and children to feed
Whoa, that's very toxic bourgeois sentiments, you capitalist roader, you!

It would almost be worth the suffering for your dreams of a revolution to come true when you were handed a plunger and ordered to start unclogging at gunpoint.

Y'all will wish you've fought for communism/socialism when robot take all your jobs and you have to sell your daughters just to eat.

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inequality is natural law and cant be transcended.
maybe its natural law because theres something efficient about it in some manner.

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Yeah no.

But you would be A-OK with confiscating "means of production" from someone who did save and invest and take the risk of building their own shop?

You are morally bankrupt.

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The only reason commies don't die from AIDS is because they die of starvation. Stop larping, ussr wasn't great

>when robot take all your jobs

What do you do for work that a robot took your job? Or is that just what you tell mom when she asks why you're on Jow Forums instead of finding gainful employment?

>all technology up until now has been a godsend but this time it means our destruction and mass unemployment.
kek