Should europeans recover Christianity or start a new religion?

>Christianity is the tradition of the only people capable of saving this planet
Allelujah

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anyone shilling an abrahamic religion is cancer

Hitler already tried doing that with positive Christianity but the crooked teeth and burgers had to bomb the shit out of them to please their jew masters

>It's pointless then.
Then Christianity is pointless, much of Christianity is derived from pagan traditions partially or fully adopted to increase their willingness to convert.

Neither metaphysics nor social order require religions.

>We've just got to kick Catholicism to the curb once and for all.

literally impossible. Fucking Napoleon couldn't even do it

islanders who adopted Christianity because of European missionaries is not the same thing as European Christendom

You're right, these monkeys unironically believe in that shit.

That sounds like a good idea but how do you exactly adapt millennia old fables and stories to fit with the modern world?
> t. fedora asking

> The phenomenon, admitted on all hands, is this: That great portion of what is generally received as Christian truth is, in its rudiments or in its separate parts, to be found in heathen philosophies and religions. For instance, the doctrine of a Trinity is found both in the East and in the West; so is the ceremony of washing; so is the rite of sacrifice. The doctrine of the Divine Word is Platonic; the doctrine of the Incarnation is Indian; of a divine kingdom is Judaic; of Angels and demons is Magian; the connexion of sin with the body is Gnostic; celibacy is known to Bonze and Talapoin; a sacerdotal order is Egyptian; the idea of a new birth is Chinese and Eleusinian; belief in sacramental virtue is Pythagorean; and honours to the dead are a polytheism. Such is the general nature of the fact before us; Mr. Milman argues from it 'These things are in heathenism, therefore they are not Christian'. we, on the contrary, prefer to say, 'these things are in Christianity, therefore they are not heathen (Cardinal John Henry Newman)

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The control groups say otherwise.

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100% true

Christian Samoans>Pagan Samoans

Christian Europeans> Pagan Europeans

If Christianity is responsible for success, why aren't Armenians and Ethiopians even more successful than Europeans?

It's obvious that you're biased.

there are only two powers in this world. power of love and power of hate. hate is known as satan, love is known as god. do your research, between all religions there are only 2 valid. 1 valid for satanism, 1 valid for gods religion

if you think that an all being, aka god, works on this way. the way of the simple mind of a human, you must be schizo
you probably also believe you can contact spirits(human) that passed away

Christianity is THE religion. Others are pure evil.

The point is both race and religion are factors for success.

Armenians and Ethiopians are certainly better off being Christians than not.

Christianity has been and will remain the cucking force used to keep Europe and the US bowing to the demand of others.

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Is that why so many leftists are atheists?

>The point is both race and religion are factors for success.
Is that why jews who follow an ethnocentric religion are so much more successful than Christians?

All the "designed" religions are meme tier. NSDAP Christian-pagan-darwinist mythos lasted for a few years only and the average German didn't care much for himmler's ideas anyway, was just nationalistic and if religious, a Christian in a 1930s Germany kind of way. Christianity took centuries to crystalize, before the papacy got the tools to enforce something top down and even then a lot of it was spontaneous mixing with pagan culture and philosophy that the popes approved of because everyone was doing it anyway and it didnt contradict basic dogmas. Nobody "designed" old paganism.

"White man's religions" that right wing thinkers spend decades constructing remain completely irrelevant. Arguably the most popular religion that some dude just made up and "started" is Scientology.
I don't see places like Sweden or France undergoing some christian revival or taking up paganism. I have no idea what they will believe. Here Catholicism will remain widely popular for better or worse

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>Don't think about stuff and just parrot the words from a particular holy book.
>Parrot the words until you self-persuade yourself that you now have the knowledge.
Nigga, are you dumb?

>Modernize ChristianityRemove vatican and create new institutional church

How are your Dutch neighbours doing with their modern national christianity?

"Modernizing" the church just killed it, catholicism included, largely. Its not a new idea, it was done over and over again and gave us The Church of Sweden

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Good goy.

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I don't see how Jews are more successful than Christians, unless you think being high functioning gypsies is some kind of success.

>I don't see how Jews are more successful than Christians
christcuck delusion reaching new levels

This is important to keep in mind.
The Gods are eternal. We, and our religions, are merely interpreting them and attempting to cultivate our being within their laws.

Worship of the one and true benevolent god deepened, but the masses got left behind, as they didn't care about Christ and worshipped false idols.

>Its a collection of stories that got updated, mixed, edited, added to
then it's clearly not truth....

So clearly we need to recover Christianity.

The only good form of traditional Christianity is Catholicism (and Orthodoxy if you're in the east).

Catholicism has been invaded by faggots.

We need to reform Catholicism, hunt out the faggots, and focus on the real enemies, i.e. mahomets, degenerates, and progressives who are tearing the west apart.

>ethnocentric religion

You dont have to have an ethnocentric religion to be ethnocentric. Christian Europeans were ethnocentric until very recently, just look at US racial laws and segregation, not to mention the Balkans in the 90s.
Pre christian pagans werent the "muh EVROPA" ethnocentrists moder wignats think they were as the Gallic Wars or the multiethnicity of the Roman Empire tells us. They even had temples to Egyptian gods in Rome.

Mideasternes are ethnocentric while Islam is universalist, East asians are often buddhists and also ethnocentric.

Racial religions are meme tier and even Jews have quite a problem, given how you have Jewish religious communities living in Israel who range from niggers, through brown mideastern Jews all the way to European looking Ashkenazis and even some Asians

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>Christian Europeans were ethnocentric until very recently, just look at US racial laws and segregation, not to mention the Balkans in the 90s.
And how did that work out.

We can't leave a basis for humanitarian thought.

More people believe in astrology and horoscopes than Christianity these days, so bear that in mind when talking about Christian revivals.

Ask the Christians:

Would you want to live in a christian Europe of non-whites or in a white Europe of non-christians.

If they answer non-white christians, they are true christians.

If they answer white non-christians, they are not christians.

Their answer also tells you more about them than that.. it tells you what really matters to ((christians)).

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>And how did that work out.

What do you mean? The balkan wars? The demise of US white racism?

I am not a christian, I just pointed out that even recent history shows white christians can easily have ethnonationalist or racialist ideas/communities. Nonwhites subscribe to a ton of universsalist religions from buddhism through cristianity to islam and are racist by default.

I have no ideas for the future, I have dont know how it will play out. The demise of European ethnic/racial identity really just happened during the last few decades so historically speaking blaming "Christianity" for it is incorrect. Especially that its dead too in heavily cucked places like W. Europe

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>What do you mean?
Ethnocentrism within a humanitarian worldview.

It's WAY too late for a new religion.

Most are practically atheist at this point, so the only hope would be to recover conservative Christianity and mold it to our purposes.

The nostalgia factor and built-in faith-base are necessary for a religious revival.

All the ones I know would just tell you its a false dichotomy and they would like a white christian europe. The only immigration enthusiasts I know are ironically very anti christian leftists. Not a christian myself. Pagans are a meme here

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You're making arguments that don't need to be made just so you can tip your fedora. Europeans for the last several centuries were far more devout Christians than any alive now and that never stopped them treating Jews like shit or subjecting lesser races to their rule.

Whether or not the surface culture is Christian really doesn't matter, it's the subsurface, the foundations, that are important, and its those foundations (race, primary cultural expressions, etc.) that are damaged and in disrepair, and their condition has nothing to do with Christianity, true or otherwise.

Humanitarianism and egalitarianism are atheist concepts from the "Enlightenment". The "Enlightenment" was wholly an atheist invention from the likes of Voltaire and the French Revolution.

Also, any form of socialism is an "Enlightenment" ideology. This includes National Socialism.

Religion doesn't have to be a belief in a literal Divine manifestation of the universe, as I said, many people believe in astrology and that's basic planetary movements interpreted through a mystical lens.

As Bowden said of Heideggar:
> I don’t think people who are illiberal can understand the shock in liberal intellectual elitist circles of a man like Heidegger joining the Nazi party. It is actually emotionally slightly difficult to describe it. From a sort of BBC view of culture it is the worst thing, and not just the worst thing but beyond the worst, that one could do. This man of supreme intellectual gifts dwelling alone in his Shavian hut in the woods dwelling on the ontology of death in life in death in life in death in life—do you see what I mean?—joins, what they considered to be, a barbarous wrecking crew. And they’re appalled, they’re utterly morally appalled. And since the war people have not really known what to do with Heidegger at all.
>[...] one of, if not the most, advanced theoretical minds of the Western civilization in the 20th century adopted this particular course.
>And he did it because he believed that you cannot have a society where death has no meaning, because life has no meaning. And you cannot have a society which bases itself upon the absence of the religious urge, however you define that urge and whatever system you use. Because if you do the reverse you will end up with a society which has two values beyond subsistence: Shopping and Fornication.

No true Scotsman. Don't try to tell a Christian what the true meaning of Christianity is and take your logical falacies elsewhere.

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>a humanitarian worldview.

This "humanitarian worldview" is a very recent thing, before the 1960s Europeans were notoriously genocidal on each other and non-europeans too, whether whites were pagan, christian or post-christian. Just so you know before you pin that on christianity altogether, medieval christianity was all but humanitarian, ask the Moors, Cathars or Old Prussians.

I agree that pretty much all of christianity is now completely cucked and I dont put any hopes in it but for the sake of historical accuracy I disagree with people projecting the current (and propably terminal) state of this religion on Europeans of past centuries making retarded statements like "Christianity is intrinsically cucked, Evropa died when the Romans adopted a cuck religion hurr"

Most notorious Humanitarians in western europe are secular humanists and progressives, that's who you will have to deal with to change things. Christians are fags too but there are very few of them left

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Anyone that does not support Christianity and is anti-Christ is also anti-West. Christendom is Western Civilization. You can sperg and bitch, but you are not Western if you hate Christ.

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Christianity never was European or good for Eueooeans macaco it was invented by jews to destroy Europeans.

>all of christianity
An institution is not Christianity. Christianity is the belief in Christ and the truths in the Bible.

>Christianity never was European
Varglets are anti-West, and they will be treated as enemies.

Death to Christianity death to all christians.

You are an enemy of the west.

Christendom = the West. You are a kike.

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>On the most basic level, the religion of most traditional Jews is actually not at all monotheistic, but instead contains a wide variety of different male and female gods, having quite complex relations to each other, with these entities and their properties varying enormously among the numerous different Jewish sub-sects, depending upon which portions of the Talmud and the Kabala they place uppermost.

>For example, traditionally religious Jews pay little attention to most of the Old Testament, and even very learned rabbis or students who have devoted many years to intensive study may remain largely ignorant of its contents. Instead, the center of their religious world view is the Talmud, an enormously large, complex, and somewhat contradictory mass of secondary writings and commentary built up over many centuries, which is why their religious doctrine is sometimes called “Talmudic Judaism.” Among large portions of the faithful, the Talmud is supplemented by the Kabala, another large collection of accumulated writings, mostly focused on mysticism and all sorts of magic. Since these commentaries and interpretations represent the core of the religion, much of what everyone takes for granted in the Bible is considered in a very different manner.

>Furthermore, religious Jews apparently pray to Satan almost as readily as they pray to God, and depending upon the various rabbinical schools, the particular rituals and sacrifices they practice may be aimed at enlisting the support of the one or the other. Once again, so long as the rituals are properly followed, the Satan-worshippers and the God-worshippers get along perfectly well and consider each other equally pious Jews, merely of a slightly different tradition.

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Death to all christians

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>Over the years prominent Israeli rabbis have sometimes publicly debated whether Jewish power has now become sufficiently great that all the Christian churches of Jerusalem, Bethleham, and other nearby areas can finally be destroyed, and the entire Holy Land completely cleansed of all traces of its Christian contamination. Some have taken this position, but most have urged prudence, arguing that Jews needed to gain some additional strength before they should take such a risky step.

>And while religious Judaism has a decidedly negative view towards all non-Jews, Christianity in particular is regarded as a total abomination, which must be wiped from the face of the earth.

>Whereas pious Muslims consider Jesus as the holy prophet of God and Muhammed’s immediate predecessor, according to the Jewish Talmud, Jesus is perhaps the vilest being who ever lived, condemned to spend eternity in the bottommost pit of Hell, immersed in a boiling vat of excrement. Religious Jews regard the Muslim Quran as just another book, though a totally mistaken one, but the Christian Bible represents purest evil, and if circumstances permit, burning Bibles is a very praiseworthy act. Pious Jews are also enjoined to always spit three times at any cross or church they encounter, and direct a curse at all Christian cemeteries. Indeed, many deeply religious Jews utter a prayer each and every day for the immediate extermination of all Christians.

Paganism = west

>It appears that a considerable number of Ashkenazi Jews traditionally regarded Christian blood as having powerful magical properties and considered it a very valuable component of certain important ritual observances at particular religious holidays. Obviously, obtaining such blood in large amounts was fraught with considerable risk, which greatly enhanced its monetary value, and the trade in the vials of this commodity seems to have been widely practiced. Toaff notes that since the detailed descriptions of the Jewish ritualistic murder practices are very similarly described in locations widely separated by geography, language, culture, and time period, they are almost certainly independent observations of the same rite. Furthermore, he notes that when accused Jews were caught and questioned, they often correctly described obscure religious rituals which could not possibly have been known to their Gentile interrogators, who often garbled minor details. Thus, these confessions were very unlikely to have been concocted by the authorities.

>Obviously, the ritual murder of Christian children for their blood was viewed with enormous disfavor by the local Gentile population, and the widespread belief in its existence remained a source of bitter tension between the two communities, flaring up occasionally when a Christian child mysteriously disappeared at a particular time of year, or when a body was found that exhibited suspicious types of wounds or showed a strange loss of blood. Every now and then, a particular case would reach public prominence, often leading to a political test of strength between Jewish and anti-Jewish groups.

>Furthermore, as extensively discussed by Shahak, the world-view of traditional Judaism did involve a very widespread emphasis on magical rituals, spells, charms, and similar things, providing a context in which ritualistic murder and human sacrifice would hardly be totally unexpected.

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>Christendom is Western Civilization.
This is a civic nationalist mindset. It wasn't a particular economic system, or form of government, or even religion, that made us what we were (and can be again) -- it was us!

But Christianity (for clarity, it could be ANY religion, it just happened to be ours for a long time) is something that people simply have no more confidence in, regardless of whether or not they believe in God or miracles, the actual institution has lost people's confidence.

This is also true for a lot of things in our history where we have been so distanced and de-educated that even the recent past in our country seems almost like a foreign country. This is why we're so likely in our time to reach back into the past to things that are prior and primary: hence, race.

>civic nationalist
You are either pro-West or anti-West. Kikes are anti-West, so your side is with them.

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What stands for the authority, spirituality, order, law, and for the good of the race and reality of a European race order and existence?

Certaintly not spiritual voodoo judaism.

Fucking someone in the ass is not Western.

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They already have taken a new religion, it's called Marxism. When they decided to abolish Christianity then Marxism came in to fill the void. There are still plenty of pure atheists in western Europe, but these tends to be nihilists because atheism lends itself to that.

If you're talking about creating a new god(s) and holy text my guess is that it would get about as much traction as esperanto. Most people won't bother to invest time into something they already know is fake.

I am for crucifying every Christian and abrahamic..

Nonsense.

Drinking dead men's cum is not Western.

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Typical christcuck goes on an off tangent

Europe would become Afghanistan.

youtu.be/xyDKezDLGTM

Killing babies is not Western.
>b-but it's not pagan
You snowniggers lobby for all paganism. You shill for Hinduism, Indo-European mysticism, roman paganism, all paganism. You are anti-West universalists.

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The stories are about the lessons they teach, not literal events
Why can't idiots realize this

All pagans seem to be American wannabe barbarians. What happened? Got bored of atheism and now looking to buy a new identity?

but letting jews run all your banks totally is :0)

>11 posts
Well, we know that Amerimutts won't be allowed in the alliance.

And in Your woldview the West has been dead since the Early middle ages when the last Hermanic pagans disappeared? What exactly conquered the world by 1900? Definitely not pagans.

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Typical Leftist spergs out.

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Considering that no one ever says "the west" without following it up with "liberal democracies" should give you a clue as to that concept's hostility to us. What is the race of a "westerner"? What is the culture of "the West"? If your answer is "European" then you've just realised where you should place your loyalties.

The first friend of the jews was a roman pagan general.

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This

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Italy practiced usury and nations used jews as a way to bypass Italian power. Besides, they could always kill the yids since they were on their lands unlike the pope.

but their best friends were the christian monarchs

Liberalism is part of the "Enlightenment," which was atheist and anti-West. You are a nigger and should read before posting.

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saved

The west died from 400CE-1500CE when pagan thought once again dominated.

Your best friend is another man's penis.

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>they could always kill the yids
and yet they didn't

Christian here. When you're talking about worst case scenarios then it would boil down to which one is worse. Also, Europe is already non-Christian.

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infogalactic.com/info/History_of_the_Jews_in_Spain#Moorish_Conquest
>For the most part, the invasion of the Moors was welcomed by the Jews of Iberia. Both Muslim and Catholic sources tell us that Jews provided valuable aid to the invaders.

>Once captured, the defense of Córdoba was left in the hands of Jews, and Granada, Málaga, Seville, and Toledo were left to a mixed army of Jews and Moors. The Chronicle of Lucas de Tuy records that "when the Catholics left Toledo on Sunday before Easter to go to the Church of the Holy Laodicea to listen to the divine sermon, the Jews acted treacherously and informed the Saracens. Then they closed the gates of the city before the Catholics and opened them for the Moors."

>In spite of the restrictions placed upon the Jews as dhimmis, life under Muslim rule was one of great opportunity in comparison to that under prior Catholic Visigoths, as testified by the influx of Jews from abroad. To Jews throughout the Catholic and Muslim worlds, Iberia was seen as a land of relative tolerance and opportunity. Thus the Sephardim found themselves enriched culturally, intellectually, and religiously by the commingling of diverse Jewish traditions.

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Nothing can be attributed to Christianity but meaningless false and complete chaos without truth and true order since its inception parasiting off pagan institutions to provide them the order which to peddle their poison.

So, in other words, instead of being a catholic, become a protestant. they don't answer to the vatican at all because they separated from those kiddy diddlers.
>No vatican
>Chartity events all the time
>Allow female pastors
>literally more up to date and more welcoming than catholicism

They did plenty of times. Just so happens that once a nation is spread one genocide is not enough.

The Reconquista and Inquisition was a systematic removal of kebab and kikes. If you did not pass the test of faith, you were killed. No fake kike rats were allowed to live.

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