What does Jow Forums think of Mencius Moldbug?

The hero we didn't deserve senpai

Nick Land is scintillating as well, although he's denser and harder to read

fuck off kike

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Jew who is incapable of telling you that the Cathedral he describes is in fact the Jews.
He even chose the term Cathedral to imply Christianity and therefor subvert it and distract from the Synagogue of Satan.

I made this thread after having a look at the Sweden thread - people were suggesting bizzaro praxis like 'new Caesarism' or forming some sort of militia. It made me think of Moldbug, who demonstrated that this sort of thinking was such a dead end. The ONLY problem with the West is that it's governed democratically. Fix that (or at least out-compete it with something better) and we'd already be 90% of the way to civilizational revival

Speaking of which, who else /NeoCameralism/?

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Right about: The Cathedral, Modern Caste System, Tensions b/w Democracy and Responsible Govt, Whig-Prot connection

Wrong about: Neocameralism, Centralization

>fuck off kike
burger tier brilliance

Sweden is just a proof that democracy is for white people only.

Totally understands what's wrong with the system. Has a blank spot about the Jews for obvious reasons. Seems to have a pretty solid understanding of what actually caused WWII and what the reality of the conflict was really about. If there is such thing as a good Jew, he would be one.

He's based and 80-90% correct.

Moldbug argued that democracy will almost always lead to mass immigration, as political factions have an incentive to import new voters, and also to find a easy fix to pay for unaffordable welfare programs.

>The ONLY problem with the West is that it's governed democratically.

A sovcorp would be governed democratically too, just that it's shareholder democracy instead of electoral democracy.

The difference is that electoral democracy essentially treats the state as a co-op (one vote per member), which creates parasitism and rent-seeking as groups try to subsidise themselves at the expense of others. By contrast, shareholder democracy (one vote per share) keeps everyone's incentives aligned (all shares are the same, and all shareholders have the same goal, ie. to increase the value of their shares).

Did people used to talk about him alot? it's a shame that seemed to have stopped just as the Right began to get somewhere

unqualified-reservations.org/2007/09/mediocracy-definition-etiology-and/

"If mediocracy collapses and we see a new birth of Internet-powered ochlocracy, Chomskyites will be fighting white nationalists in the streets. And the latter, being better armed and trained, will almost certainly prevail. Do you want this? I’ll bet some UR readers want this. I don’t."

moldbug predicted all this, lads

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The main advantage of ditching democracy is that the state will have no incentive to intervene in civil society - for example by importing new voters, creating bloated welfare systems or nationalizing education. This basically would kill Progressivism as a political force.

This would be true for any non-democratic political system, but the thing that's good about neo-cameralism is that the replacement of politics itself with the profit motive will prevent any decay back into democracy (which you might get with an absolute monarchy or a restricted-franchise system). So you'd pretty much get responsible government forever - as the profit motive *forces* responsibility

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even at its heyday only a minority of Jow Forums users ever discussed or knew anything at all about MM, and at least 2/3rds of those users who did know him, all they knew about him was that he was a Jew and therefore evil and all his posts are wrong somehow

Autistic jew, had some good insights and clever descriptions of things but that's about it. Not really meaningful except that for some people it was the first alternative narrative on social organization they had ever seen.

I wonder if "post-autism" means what it says or the post-autistic economics?

>Two boxing reprobates

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Redpill me on this

left is normie shit, right is the accelerationist future

twitter spergs trying to signal how creative and far-out they are by inventing a bunch of fuckin bullshit they pretend to believe to seem unique

Right side is unwitting millenarian techno-Calvinism.
Left side is strawman.

Well, I do hate Twitter

A kike that distorts the ideological development of the Anglosphere.

he's a 90s cyber-age babbler talking about techno-capital dressed up with retarded pseudo-1337speak to hide the fact that he isn't actually saying anything

>Did people used to talk about him alot?
I wouldn't say a lot, but there certainly was an interest in what he had to say. I recall that he was really the 'spark' of what eventually became 'the alt-right'. This was back when Jow Forums had very different threads to what we have now.

We no longer have:

National Socialist threads (not anywhere near how they used to be. Quality or quantity).
Monarchist threads.
Anglo-Federation threads.

>Anglo-Federation threads.
Sounds comfy

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Dark Enlightenment/Neo-Reaction is basically the alt-right for grownups.
It is light years more intelligent than most of the cavemen retards and e-celebs that have dominated Jow Forums for the last few years.

techno-capital self-automisation nigga

Yeah Jow Forums was way more interesting and had fewer retards back then.
The whole reactosphere back in 2013 was interesting before it got co-opted and diluted into the broader alt-right. Spencer tried to strike a balance between the Moldbug kind of people and the full stormfag Andrew Anglin kind of people. That has not worked well, as we have seen.

/lit/ are super into Nick Land and Mencius Moldbug for some reason.
/lit/ is probably the board with the highest iq desu. /Sci/ are all posers.

High iq post

especially because the low iq stormer types are unfathomably hostile to neoreaction

>highest IQ
That would be /a/

I think that's because the alt-right, at its heart, is a reheated 19th century romantic nationalism. The greatest levels of insight it's reached is acknowledging group dynamics, and noticing that Japan is pretty cool.

Nrx on the other hand seems intellectually subversive and original

Good shit. Provides entertaining reading material.

why can't moldbug just do a weekly podcast m8s

late night with mencius

youtube.com/watch?v=MJ_WlQ8XJd4&t=0s

This will be the closest we'll get, I'm afraid

>you're doing it for posterity guys, remember that

based

>we used to have dark enlightenment threads and space elevator
Fuck. I didnt notice the decline...it happened so slowly

They were. Fascinating discussions.

Do you recall there was discussion about a 'strong man' ala a caeser whom would come fix the West?

I remember it was a big thing there for a while. I think that was paving the way for the Trump takeover because, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Trump was associated with that even before annoucing he was going to run?

The 'God Emperor' being derived from that.

People talked about him occasionally, alot of old pol used to repeat dumbed down versions of what he and other neoreactionaries said without necessarily knowing who exactly they were. Now pol is a shithole

Such an accurate picture kek.

Spencer tried to reduce the broader alt-right to ethno nationalism, which is exactly what the media wanted -- it's what I would have wanted had I been part of the media -- and then simply got destroyed because he's low level thinker with juvenile tendencies.

What are your thoughts on the probability of CANZUK becoming a reality post-Brexit?

I'm sort of in the middle of these two poles. I kind of just want Victorian England back

Not likely. Not to say it isn't possible, because it is, but there are a number of issues stopping it.

>Politicans/Neoliberalism
Boomers
>SJWs
>Non-Anglos in Anglos countries
>Yanks
>Anglos

It makes sense for us to federate, just as it makes sense for New Zealand to be the 'Britain of the Pacific' and control Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, New Caledonia, etc. but it won't happen in this climate.

CANZUK is dog-whistle for a sort of Anglo-Saxon ethnic solidarity. A western alliance based on ethnicity is basically the antithesis of what the Cathedral wants, so it almost certainly won't happen.

>using the new website
Based

i remember, it was around 2012 for me when discussing these

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Slightly stupid question: the Cathedral?

Anyone remember this tripfag from back then?

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the neoreaction term for the ruling quasi-church like structure of the west comprising academia, the media and parts of the deep state that emerged as an attempt to control the populations and the limits of discourse and civil thought and to contain it in a broadly post-Christian liberal universalist paradigm

>Moldbug
>Gottfried
>Andrew Breitbart
>Moot
>Trump and Kushner
So you mean to tell me, the Jews did this?

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Andrew Anglin certainly isn't NS. Just a glow in the dark larper.

>Not available in your country
Uh, what?

Our permanent governing class: the universities, schools, the media, the permanent bureaucracy, the NGOs etc. Basically all the organs that set the Overton window and (in the case of the civil service) perform the business of governance with little to no democratic accountability. In fact, democratic politicians exercise little actual authority. So in a nutshell it's a spontaneous elite group that's in the grip of Progressivism.

On a more basic level, all complex societies are governed by an elite, and the current elite is a Progressive one that we call the Cathedral. The Cathedral is powerful only insofar as we keep the democratic system (as they wield power by influencing public opinion) - get rid of that and they're finished.

But it's not governed democratically. Mob rule in most non-Sweden countries would've averted the immigration crisis, and Swedes are a special breed. Democracies are marketplaces for purchase of law. Bad governance nowadays is caused mostly by donors buying out the government.

Does someone have that pic of him done up as a Harry Potter character?

nope, but i have this

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>Bad governance nowadays is caused mostly by donors buying out the government.

this happens because democratic politicians have no skin in the game of their own society because they do not own it

That's a good point, and its one that Moldbug is careful to address. Here's how I think it works

1. The populace (de jure) decide on policy by voting

2. All human societies are governed by elites. In a political system where public approval is needed, the people who influence public opinion become the elite. In this case, its the universities, media, NGOs etc. Neoreactionaries call this 'The Cathedral'.

3. The Cathedral propagandizes the public. The public largely defer to the Cathedral because, again, society is always governed by an elite.

4. The public then vote, but they vote based on an Overton window previously defined by the Cathedral.

So in other words its like claiming a brainwashed person is making a free choice. But if you remove the *de jure* mechanisms of democracy, the Cathedral suddenly loses all of its power.

Just to address your point about mob rule - one of the main arguments of Moldbug is that "sovereignty is conserved". There will always be a governing class, and any genuine period of mob rule is always a short interlude before a new elite takes power. While it is true that genuine "mob rule" would see a very sharp turn rightwards, it doesn't matter - because ordinary people will never ever decide what policies the government takes. All actual politics is inter-elite conflict

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Correct, the point is that if you still had some kind of non-secure power system, you will have the same problem. If your country can get bought out by its own corporations, you are fucked.

Not necessarily, because if you left rule of law, "Constitutional Monarchy", a parliament, etc. intact, the left would simply gain control over what the law means and move leftward from there (this is what actually happens in the US), or enforcement of law would change so as to facilitate leftward movement.

To be clear, I'm not totally sure what Moldbug advocates, but I'm in favor of something closer to absolute monarchy than some kind of joint-stock state. To me the idea of a joint-stock state is sort of weird because it makes no sense to earn profit denominated in the currency you issue...

even with absolute monarchy there are still security problems, only cryptarchy provides ultimate security, you can't subvert the rulers if you don't know who they are. which is why that's what we currently have.

The leftism of activist judges is a result of the Cathedral imo. These sorts of Progressive judicial rulings are never based on an actual examination of the Constitution or precedent, but just based on outside cultural pressure.

Like there's no way that the supreme court made its decision about gay marriage by just looking at the constitution, otherwise you would've gotten gay marriage in 1789.

Plus, in the NRx solution all laws would be made by the corporation governing the patch of land concerned. The profit motive, unlike Politics, incentives decision-makers to govern well (ie, to be very very right wing)

Asian gf ideology

Yeah, the Jacobite, monarchist wing of NRx is pretty tiresome.

American protestantism is a Judaized form of Christianity

>The leftism of activist judges is a result of the Cathedral imo. These sorts of Progressive judicial rulings are never based on an actual examination of the Constitution or precedent, but just based on outside cultural pressure.
Yes, the Constitution means whatever the judges say it means, FDR told them what it's going to mean and it's spiraled from there.

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Plus, in the NRx solution all laws would be made by the corporation governing the patch of land concerned. The profit motive, unlike Politics, incentives decision-makers to govern well (ie, to be very very right wing)
So basically absolute monarchy? Why wouldn't the governing corp do the same shit corporations pay the government to do now? I mean, Big Farm has been the #1 driver of nonwhite presence in the US. Tech is probably #2.

Like said, him and Nick Land together are the most important intellectuals of our time.

I still live my life waiting for that strong-man leader to emerge. I view him as a God-Emperor, or "new Hitler," and I'm fairly sure Trump isn't the guy.

Won't work. The Jews will just end up killing the king or controlling him like they always do. See 1917, Supra.

I've sort of given up on all this. Just live your life such as it is and enjoy a hobby or two. Jews won.

Big Farm can wreck America with immigration, because it doesn't own America. Big Farm's only role is to sell their products, and that doesn't always coincide with what's best for America.

If Pepperidge Farms owned America, and its financial performance was therefore based on the economic performance and quality of life in America, it wouldn't have anything remotely like the immigration policy America has now.

So basically, in Moldbug's solution the *product* these SovCorps are selling is governance, so they have a direct financial incentive to maximize quality of life. Therefore any self-interested SovCorp would have an immigration policy that accomplishes this.

Also, the NRx solution allows for lots of "product" variety - there would be lots of homogeneous patches, and also lots of vibrant cosmopolitan ones if that's more your speed.

>He even chose the term Cathedral to imply Christianity and therefor subvert it and distract from the Synagogue of Satan.
Yeah this always stuck out like a sore thumb to me.

He and his website were shilled here and it never came across as organic. Just randomly appeared as a 'thing' suddenly which, as it was the first thing I recall described as 'alt-right' is fishy.

Spencer, et al, came as a consequence of Moldburg.

>and I'm fairly sure Trump isn't the guy.
He isn't, not even close.

Moldbug is a kike and also a bugman. What did you expect?

The moment he arrives I wish to totally devote myself to his will.

>What did you expect?
That the usage of 'The Cathedral' would be called out more and make people question things.

It wasn't, especially on here, which I find interesting.

So you would have had him to call it the Sanhedrin? Lol.

this is why you need cryptarchy, in addition to fake kings put out there as bait to draw the attention and efforts of foreign subversion agents

the entire corpus of Unqualified Reservations totalling many tens of thousands of words, historical and primary source research and analysis

vs.

"he's a KIKE!"

damn guys i don't know about you but these other guys make a pretty compelling argument...

Why waste our time. We All going on.

We all know whats going on.

nobody is forcing you to post in this thread about ideas you refuse to even engage with because the author is half Jewish

So you come on Jow Forums pol expecting us to try and disprove* the Jewish world conspiracy? Mate you're on the wrong website

Moldbug is an important individual, a modern Founding Father of the dissident Right. Naturally, his shit is way too intellectual for retards on Jow Forums.