Why is it that bodybuilding usually leads to more conservative political views ?

spike spiegel?

Self-improvement and responsability for your own actions is a right-wing trait.
Leftists tend to care less about physique.

Because it involves hard work. Liberals don't work let alone work hard

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1 word- Testosterone.

Either you have extra already = more alpha...OR you're average, start lifting (squats / deadlifts) increase test levels and evolve and living right.

>you have to improve your life by ruining your muscles

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The average Jow Forums user probably has a better understanding of how women work than the average normie, because acquiring that knowledge is difficult in real life / on log-in social media given how politically sensitive it is

It's an I grant undertone you fucking retard. Becoming physically fit requires levels of discipline and maturity that most leftist normies dont have. Ergo, this discipline later developes into realizing that the only way one has achieved this level of success is from a conservative mindset thus leading them into a conservative group thus leading them into conservative political values.

The logic isn't hard to follow. I'm a pint of vodka in right now and I can still somewhat lay out the fucking model. Fucking leaf ass education. I hope your country turns into a testing ground for new compounds of napalm.

Inherent value* suck my dick.

Cx

Increased testosterone production.

You discover how methodical and consistent you need to be to make gains and how easily they slip away without constant maintenance. It's a metaphor for society.
Fat dumb pigs are all liberals because it's a lazy permissive attitude

This ape is mad.

I like this response user. Upvoted.

Cx in the chat.

Iron doesn't lie.
You need discipline and determination to improve yourself. All of which are traits that liberals rarely have.

its the realization of self determination, once you get a taste you can't stop

decrease of energy available for normal cognition?

I never hated canadians until I came to Jow Forums.

Testosterone is inversely proportional to beta-maleism

Roids increase estrogen levels so these faggots become all motherly.

working out gives you more energy

Ugh.
This guy paul denino is a degenerated. Fucking awful entertainment that children shouldnt watch

>implying leanice44 is on roids
lol

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More testosterone, makes you better at saying no to shitty social decision making.

Those who are more capable as individuals will naturally favor less restrictions on their ability to act as individuals. Those who have little capability (feminist whores, niggers) will gravitate towards a system which absolves them of responsibility.

I think that conservative attitudes in this case will skew heavily towards libertarianism.
I'm a NatSoc personally, and a skinnyfat manlet.

because people who lift are geniuses

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I've been a bodybuilder for 10 years and I actually did my first 5 day push/pull/legs/push/pull routine for 4 weeks not long ago. Didn't want to train legs 2 days a week because my 1 leg day is crazy enough and I have problems shopping for pants already. It's a pretty hardcore routine and I was constantly tired and sore. But it helped me with some plateaus I've had for a while. Great for shocking the body and mix things up but I would never recommend it as a main routine.

try PLPX. PPLPPLX is rough.

push/pull/leg split is the onyl way to go

>is a degenerated
you can't even speak your own language decently

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not even conservative, but reactionary.

Body shaming is the greatest problem of todays society!!

I take steroids and barely workout but I'm ripped

Unbelievable that this guy was this fat while being a vegan, lifting and doing steroids

Yeah I'll try it again sometime in the future, maybe in half a year or something. Maybe PXPXLXX or who knows. The journey is long.

Doesn't fat make you produce more oestrogen ?

because a healthy mind is associated with a healthy body

Thats funny, Look anywhere and if there are a bunch of fit guys, half of them are gay. Look at a conservative gathering and you'll find 300lb neck beards with cheetoos stuck in there back folds.

When you ask more of yourself, you ask more of your fellow man.

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The boy is no good.

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this is me.

This is just my anecdotal experience but my guess is (I'm leftiest btw): It takes a lot of time to build a decent body. Either you don't have a job and thus enough time to spend in the gym or you have a job and spend all your time in the gym which leaves you with no time to educate yourself. If you have no job it means you're low educated.

With my experience to talking to people in the gym, the biggest guys are usually the most retarded ones.

If you look at statics then right wing voters usually have a lower education then leftiest. So it fits pretty well with my observation.

The only way I can maintain my size (I'm a stundent, I study 10h a day) is because I sacrifice my free time (no socializing) in the gym. I'm an exception, not the rule, so I expect many triggered replies. Stay mad

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Because we don't believe in the gibs me mentality but work hard consistently to achieve results

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Because conservatives like to give stupid people money for looking good.

lol

bodybuilding is just an easy way to feel good about yourself by achieving something easy.

bodybuilding is easy, lifting weight isn't complicated, anyone with an IQ lower than 50 can do it. eating right is easy too, if you don't get fooled by the misinformation online, all you have to do is follow a strict routine (working out regulary and eating right).

compare that with any field of study then you'll see difference. you won't achieve anything in a short time, there are no cookie cutter ways, you have to figure out things yourself, you require an IQ higher than 50.

bodybuilding is attractive to dumb people, right winger = lower education (look at the statistics),

>my anecdotal experience
>(I'm leftiest btw)
>most retarded ones
>have a lower education then leftiest
>then
You're retarded, Hans

Exercise leads to better health which leads to normal testosterone.
Remember, all men our age have dangerously low levels of testosterone.
Fixing that issue leads to conservative beliefs because what we call "conservative" is just what's natural and logical for the species to function, once men return to their natural levels of testosterone their views also become natural.
Natural in group preferences, natural sexual preferences, natural social dynamics, etc.
Things like building and protecting families and communities, decidedly conservative things are the bedrocks of the species, it's what allowed humans to breed and survive and healthy men will gravitate towards those.
The reverse is also true and can be observed in what pol has called basedboys.
Unhealthy men with low testosterone who gravitate towards views that are irrational and dysfunctional. Views that are leading them incapable of breeding, protecting their communities or sustaining their society's.

>triggered

>shocking the body

jej

cx

you will regret not socialising when you are older.
the easiest pussy is when you are at uni.
i started lifting bat 35, before that did a ton of drugs, no regrets at all. best to have fun in your 20's.

While some bodybuilding is fine (it's better to achieve a decent muscle mass through actual manual labor), taking it to the extreme that so many of these meatheads do makes them appear more like niggers than Europeans, and thus they attract the kind of women that are the coal burning type. I’m gonna have to go with Aristotle here and say that the mean is the best.

the correlation between hard work and good results. same reason entrepreneurs tend to be conservative

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It doesn't. There is a correlation between the two but neither are direct causes to one another.

It's the other way around, conservative views lead to bodybuilding.
Conservatism comes from insecurity.
Feeling insecure about your nations borders, the economy, women, masculinity, etc.
It's no wonder that people with insecurity often have body image problems, so they decide to discipline themselves and work out.
Nothing wrong with this, they end up looking better than the fat liberal but at its core conservatism is about being afraid.

>"it's not fair that he looks better than me"
to be fair, bodymaxxing wont fix your face so it's sort of true. Me being ripped won't fix my stupid puddingface
that being said, I completely agree with you.

You’d think that spending “10 hours” studying every day would mean you can grasp the English language properly.

Fake and gay. Paul is a Zionist implant and is really 42.

>being a degenerate is bad unless you’re too old to rely on metabolism
How’s the temperature in your oven, Schlomo?

It doesn't.

Your fantasy of big strong muscular men also being hyper-intelligent philosopher-scholars who have arrived at right wing viewpoints through dispassionate reason is exactly that: a fantasy. In reality they are as dumb as, if not dumber than, a normal person - it's just that their particular personality flaws make them more susceptible to right-wing propaganda than left-wing propaganda. They parrot buzzwords about issues they're barely informed about, and there's no room in their head for anything other than arrogance and narcissism.

Generally speaking, obviously.

>"wow you sound incredibly jealous and bitter"
Trust me, I can be just as insulting and dismissive of fatties or thin people or whatever group you imagine I belong to. This thread just happens to be about, and I just happen to have particular insight into the brain of muscular jocks because I hang out with, and fuck, a lot of them. There's something obsequious about human beings when it comes to attractiveness and physical fitness (psychologists call it the halo effect) which is disgusting and repulsive to me, and here Jow Forums is engaging in it. Physically fit people are no more likely to make good political decisions than anyone else, and I'd argue significantly less likely to do so because a mind content with picking up heavy shit and then putting it down again over and over again for hours each weak is probably a mind easily contented.

I'll freely admit that these people are hot as fuck, and when it comes to their value as meat to put my dick in I'd put them at the top of the list, but as far as politics go I see no reason to care about their views.

t. gay commie

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>skips leg day only to get runover by a mill truck

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>Self determination
>You are the only constant, you control yourself and your body
These are aspects of liberalism.
>They aren't preaching equality, they're enforcing mediocrity across everyone
That’s what equality literally is, and is the reason why everyone above the average should be utterly opposed to equality.

>Also self improvement is a conservative value.
thred

>t. gay commie
As far as politics go, I see no reason to care about your views.

>Lets see what traits bodybuilding cultivates:
>>Self respect
>>Self determination
>>Responsibility
>>You are the only constant, you control yourself and your body
>>The only one who decides how good your body is, is you
Bwahahaha. Have you ever spent time around a bodybuilder in your life? I have.

>self-respect
Their personality is narcissism layered over insecurity and an inferiority complex you can see from space. Not to mention steroid use. I wouldn't call that self-respect, I'd call it compensation. "Look at my biceps lol fukken nerd"
>self-determination
Yes and no. Determination yes, you have to be pretty fucking determined to get any size worth bragging about, but self-determination? I think it would be difficult to make a compelling argument that bodybuilders are motivated by deep self-actualisation. I think it's more that bodybuilding has guaranteed social returns on investment and you get tons of positive reinforcement.
>responsibility
lmao not when it comes to holding down a job, or studying, or literally anything outside of the gym.
>The only one who decides how good your body is, is you
k e k

>I see no reason to care about your views.
You're welcome to take advice from someone with plenty of experience on the subject or persist in your delusions as you please, but one of these will make you look like a fool.

What delusions? Can you specify?

refer to

>simpleton can't comprehend 10 hours studying is possible

typical uneducated righty kek

That doesn’t really describe any of my beliefs. Where’d you get the idea that it does? Also, how can you be sure that that sort of narcissism applies to most muscular guys and not just fags?

Self-improvement isn't easy and doesn't just happen overnight. It takes a lifetime of commitment to keep, yields a lifetime of benefits, but can be lost ten-fold faster than it was earned.
These values translate into everything, from owning a house to raising a family. That’s why I’m not surprised Chad’s a conservative.

A. you replied to the wrong post and B. I never doubted the possibility of being able to study 10 hours a day. I said that for someone who claims to study for ten hours a day you have a below average grasp of the English language.

You're not considering the essentialist argument. I don't think that education makes that much of a difference - or rather, that whether or not people will choose to educate themselves is decided before they choose to go to the gym.

The archetypal bodybuilder has essential characteristics that make him the way he is that are deeper than education - I think they are vanity and narcissism. When you speak to these people about why they spend so much time in the gym the answers are invariably something along the lines of that they enjoy standing out in a crowd, enjoy the attention, or just 'like to be big'. It's a source of self-esteem and a way to get positive social interaction for them. It's also a domain in which they can be an 'expert' even if the prestige is unwarranted. I'm nothing more than lean and athletic - nothing approaching your size - but I know a lot more about bodybuilding than the biggest guys in my gym because I have an IQ of 130 and actually read real news and research whereas they're probably floating around 90. But they will be listened to because they've got the big muscles, which means they get the social prestige associated with being an expert. The little secret about bodybuilding is that all it takes is dedication, time, and drugs. It doesn't take knowledge or skill above a very, very low bar.

So that, I think, is the archetypal bodybuilder. Someone who is vain and/or narcissistic above the norm, who finds it hard to be respected in other areas, and who by coincidence or circumstance fell into physical fitness at an early stage.

The exceptions are usually hyper-competitive people who just cannot not excel at something, or the incredibly hard workers who cannot not do something "properly," who then go on to become neurosurgeons or the top of their profession or whatever.

>That doesn’t really describe any of my beliefs
Okay.

>Also, how can you be sure that that sort of narcissism applies to most muscular guys and not just fags?
Because I have straight friends.

Homos are like 1% of the population. Where do you get the idea that any gay person would, or even could, interact exclusively with other gays?

>These are aspects of liberalism.

Eurasia is our ally and has always been our ally.

But obviously you’ve never been on such an intimate level with your straight friends, have you? You’ve likely not delved as deep into their underlying uncovered personality as much as the guys you’ve been with. Pun not intended, Christ.
Also I’m pretty sure there’s a lot more queers out there than just 1% of the population nowadays. I think it’s much closer to 3-5% roughly.

steroids make you a retard

Ironic considering how many words your society has utterly destroyed the meaning of. Have you ever read a single book from any of the enlightenment thinkers?

remember, queers are 16x as likely to molest little boys than straight men are to molest little girls. they're not people, their "orientation" is not valid, and their existence is not tolerable in a prosperous world.

>But obviously you’ve never been on such an intimate level with your straight friends, have you?
I don't need to be.

Have a five minute conversation with any bodybuilder you know and then ask yourself if he seems like a deep, philosophical thinker.

Bodybuilders are more right-wing because the essential traits that make someone likely to be a bodybuilder also make someone likely to be right-wing, not because bodybuilders are endowed with some special philosophical insight into politics that they have acted upon. Jow Forums likes to think that those traits are the superhuman and Godly virtues of self-respect and determination and work-ethic or whatever stupid bullshit. In reality, the trait is that bodybuilders are generally low information voters who fall for all the typical macho poseur propaganda that conservatives love to double-down on to appeal to their rusted-on base.

Jow Forums's misreading of the situation is almost surely because they ARE part of that rusted-on base anyway, so me posting in this thread was kinda pointless to start with.

Trust me, I’m in full agreement with Islam over homosexuality.

Cry more faggot.

Cx in chat for ice "im not jewish" denino
(((DENINO)))

I don’t care what pol thinks at this point. We’ve already established that, and also the fact that I don’t share any such delusions of bodybuilders being philosophers.
And that’s not what I’m asking you. I’m more so inquiring into their personality traits than their politics, like narcissism, which are far more present in fags than in men, for example. And given that you’ve been with those fags on a much more intimate level, their traits may have created generalizations of bodybuilders in your mind, which is why I’m genuinely asking you if you can know for sure that that narcissism and self-absorption are generally characteristic of bodybuilders or just the ones that are fags. Get it?

>cry more
you don't like what I said
>faggot
but not because it's anti-gay

you cower behind the proxy of the proud aussie. in doing so, you both give away your kikery to all newfags not already clued in and disrespect a proud, robust people.
You will never be white. You will never be God's people.
Israel is a state of mind.
We're the Jews now.

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Why post a weakling?

>And that’s not what I’m asking you. I’m more so inquiring into their personality traits than their politics, like narcissism, which are far more present in fags than in men, for example.
Sure.

>And given that you’ve been with those fags on a much more intimate level, their traits may have created generalizations of bodybuilders in your mind, which is why I’m genuinely asking you if you can know for sure that that narcissism and self-absorption are generally characteristic of bodybuilders or just the ones that are fags.
Again, you don't need to know someone intimately to pick up on these things.

Sure, you can say that all of my evidence is anecdotal and you're well within your rights to ignore it all because I'm a lyin' faggot and who cares what a gay commie thinks. I can't stop you from doing that. I'm just telling you what I think, and I think that while narcissism and vanity and general faggishness are more dominant in fags, bodybuilders (even straight ones) are still generally more narcissistic and vain than the general population. I think this is pretty obvious to anyone who's ever interacted with one. I'd also contend they're less intelligent but that's a lot more arguable - averaged out, the difference here is probably only slight.

It might still all be faggishness though, because bodybuilding is homoerotic as fuck anyway. It might just be the case that all bodybuilders are a lil bit gay. Certainly I know plenty of 'straight' bodybuilders who do gay-for-pay shit. It's an easy way to make money I guess, and roids and supps are expensive.

For the record, I'm not saying that narcissism and vanity have anything to do with their politics though.

We have over 9000 penises and they are all raping children.

demons are nasty things for sure. honorless untermensch.

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