Likely our debt to GDP ratio will fall to 59 percent this year and below 40 percent by 2025 with an aim to be close to debt free (less than 25 percent) by 2030.
Is your country making sure it is debt free by 2030 and 80 percent green energy and 70 percent Muslim by then?
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Fantastic! Now we can give even more money for mass immigration and to turn Cologne into Islamabad! I can't wait for us to pay for another 1,000 Arab clans and raping shitskins! THANK YOU! HEIL MERKEL!
Yep, same sentiment here. Based Arabic Germany will be debt free and using the Arabic dinar gold and silver coins. I always wanted to be Lex Barker riding through Muslim lands with my loyal German Shephard dog fighting for the rights of Kurds and against the evil Mahretch von Mosul. Oh... and the Padijah von München schenkt mir dann seine Cousine.
Only that we don't have open carry in Germanistan. That's haram!
Pretty much all Islamic countries have open carry. We’ll just do the same as Libya or Gaza or Lebanon or Kurdistan or Syria.
>German debt is falling rapidly
that's because germany is leeching money off of every other nation in the EU.
I do not thnk this is true. We have a trade deficit with Eurozone countries and are owed over a trillion euros under Target-2. If we were to get back that money and the money we lent to Greece, we could repay half our debt.
The dumbest lie spread by the most low-IQ board on Jow Forums believed by its dumbest demographic: Amerisharts.
Is there any doubt Germans are the master race? Even with their country full of moslems and somalis they keep on winning.
And to think people say Germans can't into comedy. So, so wrong.
>cope
Yeah, I wonder where this idea comes from Germany is somehow getting money from other EU states. I have never seen evidence for it.
1 trillion has been handed over to deadbeat nations under Target 2 already... money we’ll never see again. And it is us Germans which are getting money from them???
>take in brown immigration to destroy your race
>Jews reward you with lower interest
Same thing in my country with the Abe government.
You leech money via the euro. Well over what Greece owes you and said deficit.
You just make up those numbers, with the new comers banks are allowed to show projections that look beneficial but the reality is that only a fraction of the new comers will eventually become productive, the rest will become a drag, and they will reproduce fast
Actually its common knowledge. The euro siphoning trade out of the east and into Germany is pretty basic stuff and utterly irrefutable.
We don’t pay interest, we get paid to hold on to money for others.
>to debt free (less than 25 percent) by 2030.
pls let this happen
>You leech money via the euro.
Explain how. Because it is made clear we actually lend 1 trillion euros under the Eurosystem to keep it from collapse.
God i hate this country so much.
The fucking retarded believe that the magic 0 will do anything for further generations.
Fucking merkel and Scholz doing everything they can not giving money to things that should need more money:
>Schools and universities
Please give mor emoney to schools and universities. They are in a pitiful condition
>Pension
I am going to work until i'm fucking 70! How about opening a pension hedgefond like in the US where we let money work for themselves instead money going from the young to the old?
This will go and hunt us in 20-30-40 years
>Infrastructure
It isnt as bad as in America but please invest in better infrastructure.
This includes roads and Internet.
there are many areas in Germany that have abysmal Internet
ITS WORKING
MORE IMMIGRANTS = MORE MONEY
GERMONEY YOU GENIUS!
Nope, those are official numbers. We are at 59 percent this year and official forecasts until 2023 are that we get that down to 40 percent.
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the money you lent to greece went directly to pay the holders of debt which were predominantly german banks.
all you did with your help to greece was impede on their ability to solve their problems long term by restructuring the debt because that would make your banks take a loss
I don't think that accounts for what muslims do to a country once they become the majority and start voting for people
the eurozone was literally created so that the issuing authority could inflate the euro with little risk, and offshore that risk to other eurozone nations.
that's why germany is doing financially well, when the rest of the EU is not.
you mad, hanz?
Dude, our surpluses are already helping, despite all the problems we have. We pretty much don’t pay any interest on the debt we have. This allows us to keep having surpluses... again keeping interest extremely low. The more the debt goes down relatively, the less we have to ever pay for it.
Based.
>despite immigration
you havent seen the full effects of a subhumanized population. enjoy the next 40 years retard, we sure did.
You lend that money because the euro has benefited you for well over said trillion.
Not to mention im not familiar where you get your graph from, its wrong on pure “loans”, but could be right about ESM - in which case its literally just commitments, i.e. a number someone said and not an actual amount of money.
Anyway, the euro is valued at a space below what Germany’s currency would be in a regular situation and above what the East and South would have, according to the type of economy. In essence, German products are undepriced for what they are, thus being a better option and south/east products are ovepriced and cannot compete, due to having industries and economies geared for affordabilty and productivity, while being forced to compete on quality. This leads to essentially a communism central planning type advantage for Germany as designated exporter and ruler of most industries, while everyone else in the euro who is not north is artificially destroyed.
Furthermore, when these countries adjust and start pushing up the currency Germany forces a new country in the Union and then in the Eurozone - the last addition is us, who France protested against and Germany forced us in and is now forcing us into the Euro to drive it down. The next one will be macedonia and likely Bosnia or something, who are already groomed for this goal.
>the money you lent to greece went directly to pay the holders of debt which were predominantly german banks.
Source? Our banks held 2bn in Greek debt... it was mostly our industry and the German state through Target 2 which had exposure to Greece before rhe first bailout of Greece in 2010. France was more exposed. Since then we paid 300bn to Greece directly and indirectly. That is way more than 2 billion.
It just takes 20 years, wait till the next gens are in big numbers and old enough. The first wave is the least problematic because they don't speak the language, the fun begins with the second and third generations. If they think it's bad now they should see what it's going to be like in a few years from now.
2010 is before the truth came out fully.
The rest is, again, common knowledge and Germany has never even refuted it.
>the eurozone was literally created so that the issuing authority could inflate the euro with little risk, and offshore that risk to other eurozone nations.
Actually it was created by people who thought Bretton Woods and the Gold standard was super cool. That is why the Euro isn’t modelled after the US Federal Reserve dollar system, but more like Bretton Woods (internal payments within the Eurozone do not require state collateralization as in the US).
And we all know what happened to Bretton Woods. The US dollar system fell apart in the 1830s before collateralization and the Fed system was established... and the Euro system made the same mistake.
>hand out "free" money to low IQ shitskins in the trillions
>they spend it on overpriced shit
>whoa, look how our economy is booming, sure need more fudgess
>Actually it was created by people who thought Bretton Woods and the Gold standard was super cool.
you mispronounced "Federal Reserve Banking system"
Unfortunately you all are tied into countries like Greece, Spain, and Italy (med retards). You all use the same currency and your banks all lend to each other....
So when those countries banks implode, Germany will go down too....
>80 percent green energy
That ship has sailed hans, Merkel reopened coal powerplants.
I just explained they didn’t emulate the Fed system but rather created a Bretton Woods system... which failed for a reason. If you required collateralization for internal government payments between states, then a state would be required to actually put assets on the line for cash transfers, which means they cannot borrow money on the market and pump up failing businesses with massively high wages.
>leeching money
you mean like, building everything for them, making them take debts because they can't pay for it?
every other nation in the EU is leeching the Germans work
It is shortsighted thats my opinion and i will switch to german now because there are way more words missing:
Die 0 bringt gar nichts. Man könnte jetzt Schulden machen und diese Anleihen zu unglaublich niedrigen Zinsen annehmen anstatt auf der verdammten Null zu beharren.
Es gibt Probleme, die man jetzt mit "viel" Geld lösen kann bzw angehen kann die sich dann in ein paar Jahrzehnten zu existenziellen Krisen ausweiten werden.
Ich meine damit Renten.
Das System wird irgendwann in naher Zukunft aus dem einfachen Grund kollabieren, da der Generationenvertrag nichts funktioniert wenn auf einen rentner eine arbeitende Person kommt.
Diese problematike wurde nur von Merkel verschärft, als die die Rente mit 63 durchgeboxt haben obwohl dafür kein Geld vorgesehen war.
Man muss jetzt Geld in die Hand nehmen und langsam ein System aufbauen, dass nicht nur von monetärere Geldumwälzung lebt sondern von Investitionen z.b in einen Fond.
Wenn der deutsche Staat jedes Jahr 25 Milliarden in den neuen Fond investieren würde der sich z.b darauf spezialisiert konservativ in den Aktien oder Immobilienmarkt zu investieren erreicht er in ein paar jahren mehrer hundert Milliarden Euro an Volumen. Das wirft dann immense Mengen an Rendite ab die man nur in die Renten stecken könnte um nachkommende Generationen zu entlasten.
Von den anderen Brennpunkten will ich gar nicht erst reden ( Unis die überquellen mit Studenten und der maroden Infrastruktur)
Keke, so if greece falls, Germany doesn't see all those money returned, huh?
You are mixing up germany and Poland Marcin.
Poland is the dirtiest country in the EU because you guys dont give a shit about enviroment and you own people
Ask your mom how much was her energy bill for 2010. Compare it with nowadays.
>pretty basic stuff and utterly irrefutable.
so you shouldn't have a problem explaining how that is happening right?
you don't just have to throw out claims like that
>Man könnte jetzt Schulden machen und diese Anleihen zu unglaublich niedrigen Zinsen annehmen anstatt auf der verdammten Null zu beharren.
Complete and utter BS. There is a yield curve for a reason. You cannot just borrow a shitton of money and expect your overall interest to stay low. The only reason we pay very littel interest is that we have surpluses and an outlook of paying down our debt. Look at what happens to a country if it just borrows too much... Italy. It is falling apart and we could have gone the same way if we hadn’t started to control our debt growth 15yrs ago.
Great, now pay everyone back for WWI and WWII you blundering idiots.
Same bill pretty much.
>and you own people
Poland seems to care enough about its own people to avoid replacing them with Arabs
Coal is clean energy source. Power plants im the EU generally release cleaner air than they intake.
Just 15%, no biggie.
The industrial giants forced Germany to reopen coal powerplants because surprise surprise green energy is neither green nor cheap.
That's sadly false. Rebe Morawiecki changed the course amd introduced welfare that can be accessed by foreigners that have work visa, which is very easily abusable, there just never was a point to make it harsher.
Das ist kein Unsinn.Italien hat ein Problem, da sie deutlich mehr Schulden haben als Deutschland gemessen an ihrem Bruttoinlandsprodukt.
Und wie ich schon gesagt habe die Kosten jetzt sind niedriger als die Kosten in 20-30 jahren wo wir aufgrund der fehlenden Rentenbeiträge immense Summen an Zuschüssen in die Renten stecken werden um das System am Leben zu halten.
Das Schuldensystem ist immer so aufgebaut, dass man niedrige Zinsen zahlt wenn der Geldgeber weiß dass man die Mittel hat zumindest die Zinsen zu bezahlen.
Dies ist der der fall. Deutschland hat das beste Rating von allen großen Industrienationen.
Wenn in 20-30 jahren die überalterte Gesellschaft und der damit verbundene Generationenvertrag ins Stottern kommt kann das schon ganz anders aussehen.
Da wäre es nur klug jetzt Schulden zu machen um jetzt die kleinen Probleme, die sich zu großen entwickeln werden ( und das steht zu 100% fest das es passieren wird) zu kontern
>Just 15%, no biggie.
All due to taxes.
Because under the Euro, you artificially devalue your own currency while inflating all the other members, aside from France. This causes the poor nations like Spain, Greece and Portugal to sell you real estate and industries to pay their debts hence why VW owns pretty much all European vehicle trade outside what France bought out.
You aren't leeching money, you are abusing the value of the Euro by refusing protective measures to poor nations via printing euros despite the fact it would also improve your own industry because it allows Germany to stick it's fingers in the non-German market.
It's almost as if Europe doesn't spend on defense and is decades behind the US in importing shitskins. Enjoy it while it lasts, Kraut. Unless you reform your policies of dispossession of native Europeans your spending will skyrocket. The average IQ of the Muslims you are importing is ~85. That's as low as our nogs in the US.
They will never have gainful employment in Europe. The few jobs that exist for people that stupid are disappearing. They and the majority of their offspring will always be on the dole.
Yes, these wellfare checks are for Ukrainians with children. I don't agree with it but no shitskin will enter Poland when they have x10 more to gain from western nations. Please stop panicking because its start to get really annoying.
>Das Schuldensystem ist immer so aufgebaut, dass man niedrige Zinsen zahlt wenn der Geldgeber weiß dass man die Mittel hat zumindest die Zinsen zu bezahlen.
Nope, it isn't. You pay little interest, if the risk of default is low for the next decades. Everyone believes Italy can pay interest for many years, their yield curve is still fucked up, because there is a tiny risk of bankruptcy. And that is just the case because they overborrowed all the time.
If we had done what the US did in the past 20 years, we would be at 140%+ debt to GDP and our yield curve would look differenlty.
>Coal is clean energy source
1/10 dude because i replied.
The 3 biggest cities in Poland are in the Top 30 of the Pollution Index 2016.
Wroclaw, Warsaw and Krakow.
The majority of the polish energy comes from coal and i'm not even talking about power plants.
There are millions of people who live in houses with a stove and they use coal as primary source of energy and heat emitting the unfiltered pollution into the air resulting in smog.
How's your country's education doing? Infrastructure? Public transportation?
Genuine question. Just sounds like your government is skimping on some probably necessary investments in order to lower their debt.
Germany is still a bigger polluter than Poland. So clean your own backyard before bitching about Poland.
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Is this some stupid loop hole like the American unemployment numbers? Like is it that they don't consider money going straight to immigrants as public debt so it isn't counted? All immigrant debt is simply donation?
I certainly haven't heard anything about bmw, Porsche, or whatever selling record numbers
>How's your country's education doing?
Pretty well compared to other countries. Our PISA results have generally gone up and our universities are doing well too due to the efforts of past and current govs.
>Infrastructure?
Compared to other countries, not bad. Something like the Genua bridge collapse couldn't happen here.
>Public transportation?
Very good train infrastructure. Generally good S-bahn and underground infrastructure. Not so good on buses sometimes. Good airports.
nice filename GUID queer
because we have 50 million more peole than you
Auf gut deutsch hast du schlicht keine Ahnung was du schreibst. ist nichts Neues auf Jow Forums aber nun ja.
Wie ich schon jetzt 2 mal erklärt habe ist der Zinsdruck abhängig von der Gesamtverschuldung bezogen auf das Inlandsprodukt. Italien hat nicht nur immer neue Schulden gemacht sondern ihre Inlandsprodukt ist eben nicht gestiegen.
Wenn man sich das mit einfachen Zahlen erklärt:
Wenn ich 100 Euro einnehme habe und 60 Euro Schulden habe ist die verschuldung bei 60%.
Wenn ich jetzt 2 Euro mehr Schulden aufnehme aber meine Wirtschaft um 2% steigt ist im nächsten Jahr der Schnitt bei 102 zu 62.
Das wäre Jetzt 60,7%.
Ein moderater Anstieg der Schuldenlast bezogen auf das Einkommen.
Italien dagegen hat 60 Euro Schulden und 80 Euro einkommen gehabt.
Ihr Wirtschaft ist um 1 % gestiegen und sie haben die gleiche Menge an Schulden gemacht ( 2 Euro ).
Dann ist der Schnitt 80,8 zu 62.
Obwohl sie so viele Schulden aufgenommen haben wie Person 1 sind sie jetzt mit 76,73 % verschuldet.
Das eiserne Festklammern an der 0 ist schädlich für Deutschland und auch du wirst das spätestens in 30 Jahren merken.
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>I certainly haven't heard anything about bmw, Porsche, or whatever selling record numbers
They are all selling record numbers of cars right now.
>Like is it that they don't consider money going straight to immigrants as public debt so it isn't counted?
Every last penny going to illegal immigrants is counted in the federal and state budgets and all budgets, including local budgets, are put together to determine how much our total gov depts spend.
All due to "renewable subcharge".
In case you don't understand, if you tried to sell renewable energy as private company, you'd either have to sell it on loss or raise the price above the market price for kwh. Renewable subcharge goes to subsidize "green renewable" energy because it's inefficient.
Your fellow countrymen started this conversation. Clean your own backyard before bitching about Germans.
Oh god now 40 million people emmit more pollution than 38 million people
WHAT
A
SHOCKER
Doesnt change the fact that Germany has cleaner air than Poland and is doing more to prevent shit air for the population
Our economy won't be growing more just because we make more debt. Look in the past, it just didn't happen. This is why you look at GDP to dbet.
GUID posting OP faggotry is rapidly rising despite the fact OP sucks cocks
But your energy options are much broader than Polands so that's hardly an excuse.
I'm jealous user.
Our infrastructure is shit, our quality of education is dropping significantly and our public transportation is a goddamn embarassment. And our government can't balance their budget to save their lives.
Last winter there about 300 buses in Warsaw had an ad plastered on their back made by company which entire business revolves around visa abuse to import indians, ukrainians and bangladeshi. Warsaw got pajeeted to hell and beyond in the last year or so, and with government initiative to make acquiring citizenship easier they will get citizenship and infiltrate the core of our administrative system. This is how Britain has fallen.
You still have much much higher pollution than Poland and you also have other energy options which Poland currently dont have so your excuse is pathetic. You have the possibility to use something other than coal but you won't you fucking hipocrytes.
>payed debt
Yes, Sweden has one of the lowest public debt rates in Europe at 29% of GDP.
Heating is another thing and the blame lies on one government that for some reason signed contract with gazprom at rates twice that the rest of Europe pays, so people have no incentive to change it.
Powerplants however are super clean. The obvious problem obviously is that mouthbreathing mongoloids in this country panic on a mere sound of nuclear power plant so we don't have super cheap energy like French have and can't use induction furnaces.
>Reading comprehension
Lost cause on you dude.
We already did it, Mohammed, thanks to the Mossad. You will never be an american: deal with it.
But who are the pajeets and bangladeshi who actually comes to Poland? It's literally people with money and people who are there on temp work visas, not families with children so the wellfare system won't be used by them.
>living standard falling rapidly
>more foreigners everywhere every single goddamn day demanding special and superior treatment
>knifings are such a regular occurence now, they are unironically going to pull a HALT, GOUVERNEUR! BIN THAT KNOIFE! soon
>becoming an endangered (literally) minority in your own country
>everything goes to fucking shit
>every day is a struggle
>the future is a complete uncertainty, absolutely nothing can be taken for granted anymore because absolutely anything can happen including WWIII
>...
>at least we are denbts free (like that fucking matters)
I hate this country and the braindead morons populating it so very much.
Germany is a EU recipient, they get more out of the EU than they pay into the EU.
Plenty of them bring families with them.
Source?
>push your debts onto small shitty countries that can't afford to not be in the EU
>LOOK AT OUR DEBT FALL GOYS IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF IMMIGRANTS!
I swear I've read that news in 2005, where the aim was 2010
Pretty much this.
>economy is booming
What a joke
It's true. In order to pay off the previous debt you need more people, refugees who don't save money but spend it. You need bigger population everytime than the last generation in order to keep up with the debt.
Though immigrats take the super cheap jobs and manyend up using more welfare than anything.
I like how the spamming retards ignore this
How much illegal immigration do you have?
I'd like to have some primary sources.
WTF I love krauts now.
I did explain. You shoved your fingers in your years and yelled SOURCESOURCESOURC
That's thanks to people using chimneys you dumbfuck
based
It's almost like it's a pyramid scheme
