Possible ways of afterlife:

Possible ways of afterlife:

1. Nothing.
2. You will live next human life in the future.
3. You will live next human\bird\insect\ect life in the furure.
4. You will live all human lifes, consistently.
5. You will live all human\birds\insects\ect lifes, consistently.
6. Ok-ok, you will meet God.
7. You will wake up and will know - this world was a VR.
8. You will live your current life again and again.
9. Same as 2\3\4\5 but that's not the only the life but all possible variations of your choices in the life (for example, as in the movie "Sliding doors").
10. Some unexpected variants.

I'm ok with 1\6\7, but variants 2\3\4\5\8\9 looks really scary.

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>Being human

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This. Id like to be an eagle. Possibly the most free animal on earth and with highest chance of survival.

The user will never experience his own death, Quantum Immortality.

Actually this life can be only 1 of our nearest 1 000 000 000 lives where we are not animals\birds\insects\npcs....

This gives me really sad feel.

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6 and then 8 ending with any of the above.

>living the same life again for eternity

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Take some DMT. It'll narrow down what you believe will happen after death. I abused it and ended up going to hell for what seemed like days. That was completely my fault, treat it with respect.

Goddamn what a terrible thought. Imagine coming back fully consciousness as an animal somewhere in the middle of nowhere. You know you used to be human but now you have to escape all the predators and even if you make it back to civilization you won't even have the ability to convert your thoughts into speech and explain everybody you're human on the inside. Even worse... you might end up in China.

Are you retarded? Obviously if thats the case it wont be the same experience but youll make different choices which will lead to different outcomes.

>>implying a shaved ape can imagine the afterlife

Number 8 scares the shit out of me. And it's possibly scared the shit out of me again and again an infinite number of times before.

I've thought that maybe it is 8 but we are re-'skinned', that is, we go through life with the same souls both our own and those closest too us but we take different avatars if you will.

Or maybe we die and we truly rest until the end of the universe at which time all the matter / energy collapses back into a big crunch, and from out side this plane of existence / universe we have our judgement.

Or endless nothing, I could easily see it being that.

You forgot the most commonly accepted way in both Western and Eastern esoterism

There's a transitional period between lives where your mind (also called spirit) just wanders off the immaterial realms

>Dumb NPC thinks he has free will if the universe repeats endlessly
You really shouldn't be calling people retarded when you're so lacking yourself

It's all pretty tame things. Now imagine if parallel universes exist. They are infinite in number so anything that can happen will happen. That means that after your death, and also at each moment of your life you split in infinite number of copies and is isekaid into all this possible parallel universes. All the good ones, and all the bad ones. And it also means that there will be at least one of you that will visit all the most nasty ones first. Pray it won't be you but one of your counterparts.

Just imagine personally visiting AM, Slaanesh and all the other nice folks. Good luck to you.

the fact that we can think about these things means that it can happen

Do you remember what was life before being born? Before the time of your conception? Yeah, me neither.

So it's either 1, or any other alternative, with mind erasing.

Some spiritual folk actively work towards their annihilation. You can't suffer if you don't exist, is their logic.

You must be kidding... Being a conscious being with no memory between lives, indefinitely, would be far worse than the absence of experience. You'd have to pass through countless interactions of torture, indefinitely.

Have you ever tried to remember with hypnosis though?

11. we are god, we are the creator of everything. everything is one. our egos have over come us because of this we are blind to the truth.

in other words shits about to get really fucking dark and soon. but we have chosen this path cause what fuck else is their to do for eternity?

Reincarnation of some sort makes the most sense rationally. Even if you are an atheist surely if you concede that we came from nowhere (no past memories) then it is possible for us to come from nowhere again.

I think we ether reincarnate or we live the same life over and over (due to the universe being cyclical.)

>4. You will live all human lifes, consistently.

Fuck, I hope not. I don't want to go through some of the horrors that others have been through.

Because you can break the cycle of reincarnation by transcending the material realm.

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Generic subjective continuity is the most logical outcome, but it's extremely terrifying - the idea you (in the generic sense) can't escape existence.

Hypnosis is quite similar to dreams. Things that didn't happen, but we may think happend because they seem real. Imagination, user.

So that means if I can jump through universes, I can finally kill myself without the pain of dying? Sign me up

Imagination as an explanation stops working when your "imagination" can be used to both acquire knowledge & communicate, and the knowledge / communication can be later verified

aww sweety life has never been that simple.
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Yes, there's a subjective continuity. Your mistake is assuming that this realm is the only one you can experience.

I don't remember what I was doing a week ago. People have injuries where they cant remember longer than a few minutes. memory isn't necessary for existence.

You (in the generic sense) already have, but just can't remember them, as death is a junction between self referential spacetime worms/person patterns.

why do you faggots spew this bs. you are still here faggot. why?

As a naturalist, I don't share that view. Libertarian free will also is impossible in my view.

It actually never ends. You're here forever.

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Immortality creates unending corruption in the presence of mortality. If you lived longer, or eternally compared to others around you would you care about their momentary presence? Our constrained lifetimes allow us to appreciate what little time we have, boredom and greed would eventually overtake our rational constructive behaviors; decrepit powerful rich men sit and scheme about how they can influence your lives even when they are enriched by banking or social influence. Death ensures we don't have influences like this lingering for more than a few decades. Mind erasing ensures we never get bored, or that greed persists through lifetimes such that if a person were able to hold on to their acquired knowledge throughout their multiple lifetimes to prevent them from possessing a lingering influence over others.

11. You will never die due to your individual simulation being done specially for you so you will be the first one to live forever inside your one, on the journes to see the eternity
12. You will never die due to quantum immortality with the results exactly the same as above
13. You will "wake up" to realise your whole life was just a weird dream in a completely different life, continue the loop ad infinite progressively forgetting the fine details about previous lifes to the point you dont remember anything of them
14. You will "wake up" far in the extreme far future when they develop tech to construct artificial intelligences to perfectly replicate the ones lost in the past due to death
15. Your experience will merge with the united consciousness you were always part of
16. Your consciousness will keep existing but you will lose every kind of sensory input and thus will be just alone with only your imagination forever

Because I discovered it some months ago. I thought it was bullshit until I had an out-of-body experience. I am just learning, don't get mad at me.

its the last one. But the good news is this is your imagination as well.

Acquiring knowledge? Communicating? Can you pinpoint one example that can be verified, post communication-and-data-retention-era? All examples you could come up with will probably be old accounts dependant on weak testimonies. Even recent examples will probably be "Mother says her son never took any classes on french, but he speaks it after the attack".

Have you never had a lucid dream? Can't you just recreate an entire universe and interact with it effortlessly? Isn't that "libertarian free will"? That's just surface level stuff though, because it's local and contained within you. The interesting stuff is when you interact with other minds.

I'm not assuming that? Also, whatever you define "realm" as, can't be outside the universe (or everything), or it breaks fundamental logical principles - principles we need to know that anything is true/false.

I could be at peace with that.
Then your life should be about building experiences, and growing your understanding of the universe, that you may have the best experience.

o ffs you know that means nothing right? does not mean you can just fucking leave you jerk off. people spend months in a cave meditating. guess what? they still come out of the cave to indure more suffering in this hell relm.

if they cant leave you sure as fuck can not ether.

Possible ways of afterlife:
1. The only one there is. A superposition of states interconnected with every part, state or period of the One True Objective Reality, that may be viewed as a partial derivative of the universal wavefunction with respect to some axis chosen by the sentient the last instance where they possessed any body capable of processing thought.
This question is trivial to occultists.

You played with the molecule that calibrates the point of view of your pineal gland and reticular formation without the exegesis of the teachings. You could have damaged yourself and your relative future self. If you still fear for your possible return to the hellish 'place' you perceived, I can save your eternal soul in a 50min conversation at no price at all. But then you'll have to protect yourself forever. Once you see the truth, you literally cannot avoid it from dictating your existence.

I don't know how this would change anything I've said though?

you will die and get tricked into reincarnating back here just like the rest of us.

You go where you are now. Technically you don't go anywhere the world all around you disappears as your world ends. You will be reborn where you are connected to RIGHT NOW. You could also say death is not real

im not creating the world when dreaming

>die
>have to reincarnate as every Jow Forums shitposter ever

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You die and live through all the people you have touched.

hugh everett was laughed upon and considered crazy the first time he proposed the many worlds theorem nobody is laughing now

higgs boson was considered a physics fact by 1990's even before we discovered it in 2012

sometimes crazy does have a point

thats not even close to true what so ever. might want to research near death experiences. but we do get tricked/forced back here

This. If we really are the universe experiencing itself, we will wake up as if it were all a dream and do it all over again.

awww yes isn't hell swell?

I'd say your consciousness vanishes, no pain, no pleasure, no nothing. In this sense, death is VERY real. What keeps on going is the matter that composes your body. In this sense, yeah, death is not real.

>die
>become an Australian shit poster

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>There's a transitional period between lives where your mind (also called spirit) just wanders off the immaterial realms
Pretty much, yes. But only those with enough wisdom cam actually understand their state and choose their destination. Most beings just fly around in the Abyss next to the vacua of whatever universe they wish they were in and pray to randomly snap into some animal inside of it.

Oh yeah? Explain the Turks?

good thing i have touched a lot kids then.

hehehehehehe

post proof you tard.

Still doesn't answer my question, nor provides me with some evidence.

Quantum immortality is not quite the best way death could work, but it would at least make for a consistent experience.

It’s appointed to man to die once then face judgement. Those who believe in Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins will be granted eternal life. Those who reject Jesus Christ will be cast into hell for their sins.

The most logical metaphysical view pertaining to this subject, imo, is known as generic subjective [psuedo] continuity. Psuedo because change/becoming violates logical principles, and it's merely an illusion due to self referential memories and us all being individuated conscious moments/stages of the whole. So we don't go through time, but rather we are all one, but it feels like we go through it due to the relational dimension of similarity/difference and self referential memory: memrory that refers to past notions of selves. This all within a naturalistic framework, of course. No souls or anything like that.

There are many cases of "anomalous cognition". The best evidence admittedly isn't about past lives, because it can't be quantified. Some of the best evidence is the Stargate Project, a project during the Cold War to use psychics to spy on Soviets. It went on for 30 years and had over 200 requests (intelligence agencies just kept coming back for more, despite it seemingly not being real) until the Cold War ended. Some of the "coincidences" (if you think they are just coincidences) there are astonishing, like getting an entire area mapped out with details.

The verification about past lives basically boils down to kids knowing a lot of details about a deceased person, to the point where they shock the deceased family, even if both families are strangers to each other. The kids are unruly and don't like their biological family, and ask to be taken to their real family. You could claim that the researchers are lying, that the families are lying, that the kids just got lucky, but the amount of coincidences is staggering.

What about cases when someone speaks a long-dead language?

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It is scientifically proven to be #8

Oh sure, I thought you meant the universe as in, this physical universe that contains the Earth. Not as in everything that exists.

But we can communicate with entities that transcended, and we're told that you can transcend.

“From an inconceivable beginning comes the wandering-on. A beginning point is not discernible, though beings hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving are transmigrating & wandering on. What do you think, monks? Which is greater, the tears you have shed while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time—crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing—or the water in the four great oceans?”

“This is the greater: the tears you have shed while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time—crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing—not the water in the four great oceans.

“Long have you (repeatedly) experienced the death of a mother. The tears you have shed over the death of a mother while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time—crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing—are greater than the water in the four great oceans.

“Long have you (repeatedly) experienced the death of a father… the death of a brother… the death of a sister… the death of a son… the death of a daughter… loss with regard to relatives… loss with regard to wealth… loss with regard to disease. The tears you have shed over loss with regard to disease while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time—crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing—are greater than the water in the four great oceans.

“Why is that? From an inconceivable beginning comes transmigration. A beginning point is not evident, though beings hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving are transmigrating & wandering on. Long have you thus experienced stress, experienced pain, experienced loss, swelling the cemeteries—enough to become disenchanted with all fabricated things, enough to become dispassionate, enough to be released.”

try exp life for your self and get your own answers and getting them from 2000 year old book you brainlet.

Im talking about Death not near death.

It is impossible to be conscious of being unconscious. You can only ever be conscious of life. Where and who you are connected to right now mentally through the collective unconscious which is the extension of your mind that transcends physical death to be reincarnated via the connection you have to the collective unconscious(Holy Spirit).

Cite sources if you make claims like that.

dude we have no fucking clue what we communicating with. could be some teenagers from another dimension trolling the fuck out of us.

>You must be kidding... Being a conscious being with no memory between lives, indefinitely, would be far worse than the absence of experience. You'd have to pass through countless interactions of torture, indefinitely.
Such young souls in this relative place. The wise can choose to stay in the Abyss or stay with the Absolute for an arbitrary ammount of time, since there's no time to run out of. But they are wise because they see how beautiful it All is, and they embrace the cycles of destruction and rebirth as being part of their journey of spiritual growth. Most wise souls choose to reincarnate out of love for life, and naturally embrace death out of love for mind. Material beings are adorable.

Or as Jesus said be born now lest you die and it be too late

You aren't wrong, but why so pessimistic? What makes you think reincarnation is inevitable?

Human being are wave functions set free by death of the body

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Time is infinite and the probability of a world coming into existence exactly like our own is greater than zero (we know this because our world exists). There our world is going to repeat infinite times. Hope you lived a good life.

*Therefor our world is going to repeat infinite times

o so people are connecting to the holy spirit during past life regression?
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makes sense seeing how people can heal them self when they do it.

>we are god, we are the creator of everything. everything is one. our egos have over come us because of this we are blind to the truth.
These words are true, and trivial for any occultist Neophyte. But can you use logic alone to derive this truth, in exclusion of all mutually exclusive statements, as the Masters do effortlessly?

>in other words shits about to get really fucking dark and soon. but we have chosen this path cause what fuck else is their to do for eternity?
Things are about to get very luminous and enlightening for you, friend. The books will appear to you when you are ready.

Choice itself isn't the libertarian free will style choice people want, so I would question that. Also, tell that to someone that's being burnt alive, a tortured prisoner, a prey that is being viciously eaten, etc. I think it takes wisdom to see that life is overrated, but it also takes wisdom to see we're trapped in life forever, knowing the tragedy in that. Not being able to escape or change any aspect of it.

>Not cited sources
>More claims

ge i dunno 8 billion humans for one. try counting all the Bacteria in soil on earth. this life is coming from where. being recycled.

You wouldn't know you were once human. Do you remember when you were an ant or a dog?

Is this a roll thread?

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Only if you think that everything is the result of random fluctuations. But if you think that, then you must accept that some super structures that allow for consciousness are more common than others. If you accept that, the super structure that's the most likely to exist that can give rise to consciousness isn't our universe, it is a Boltzmann brain, and our universe is the product of the imagination of that brain.

>troll on Jow Forums yourself in the next life
>reincarnate
>troll on Jow Forums yourself in the previous life

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