Do you support capitalism?

As long as it works.

>not knowing about the wagecage

Yes, Capitalism does all of the wonderful things that Socialism claims it will.

Automation makes everyone's job easier, continually. Not even detracting from the workforce as has been believed since the industrial revolution in Europe.

It will even enable us to colonize other worlds, as long as dirty commies get out of the way and let us do it.

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Yes that's right wagie, it's for your protection. What's that? You want to use the bathroom, sorry, you've already used up your unpaid 15 minutes allocated for bathroom breaks, I am unable to put in the keycode to let you out.

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>Yes, Capitalism does all of the wonderful things that Socialism claims it will.
Yes like "collectivizing your car, home, and toothbrush"

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Is your job that bad that you need to be treated like a kindergartner that you only have so many bathroom breaks? Let me guess though...You flip fucking burgers?

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you dumbass amazon is notorious for aggressive policies

All this is for is for workers to go into robot only areas where people would get hurt. Sage this shit.

Back in the cage wagie

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Are you being serious? I can't tell.

Wagies will defend anything. Literally anything.

Bezos could force electric butt plugs up your ass and you'd thank him for making your anus safer.

>the absolute state of wagies

MUSH

I wouldn't know I don't do shit jobs like you do.

>im uninformed and proud of it

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thats right wagies get back to mr. shekelstein and pay for my tendies

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How can I support something that doesn't exist?

>Wagecage: engage!

Low level capitalism that 99.1488% of the population wont be limited by is good, but when the capitalists own the internet and the banks that is bad and should be nationalized
This of course requires a good government which we don't currently have

Its the wage cage

If we live in a society where we have the ability to automate the means of production, we should, in order to ensure a solid basic quality of life for people. We shouldn't have to be slaves to our economic system. We weren't meant to be slaves. The way I see it, if robots can grow my food and deliver it to the grocery stores, and we can stop ourselves from doing a civil war, we shouldn't feel compelled to sell our time to someone for a paycheck. I'd rather spend my time learning, and building my homestead innawoods.

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I worked as a manager for Amazon and tbqh the shit I see borders on sweat shop tier. Every person who was a Tier 3 or lower was soulless and completely dead inside. Tier 4s and above were mostly idiots who ran around cluelessly trying to chase after whatever their computer told them to.

Describe electrical buttplug, plox.

Why should we automate everything if its just going to feed nigs and spics. They will multiply and contribute nothing as the system buckles under the weight of the brown horde.

Socialism is shown to work
ONLY in white homogeneous societies. Capitalism is just the only sustainable system we have to dealing with the brown hordes and even then it's not entirely sustainable. That said fuck commies and socialist retards that think trying to make America socialist is a good idea when we already have a welfare system that's not working

>Socialism is shown to work*

*Inefficiently compared to Capitalism

The Northern European countries(ie Scandinavia) had utopia tier societies that were vastly superior to what we had here. And then they imported their 3rd world shitskins and ruined everything.
What's wrong with socialism in a small country, surrounded by your countrymen who all pull their own weight? The problem with socialism is we're expected to work despite the millions who refuse to, but if those millions who refuse to don't exist then what's the issue?
I'm far from a godless socialist but theoretically it does work as well/or better than the US capitalist system in the RIGHT scenario.

Capitalism as a tool, yes. Capitalism as an ideology, no.
Like everything, capitalism is shit without morality and communism was its offspring.

Good point. I do feel like things need to get worse before they get better. A country like Japan would be a good place to try this. Not because of the ethnostate meme, but because they have a stagnated population. I would venture to say that if you could apply an automated system of production to a country with a sustainable, non growing population, you could set the standard for the rest of the world to follow. Simply because you can't sustain that quality of life for an infinity growing population that requires infinitely increasing resources. It's simple math. Anybody would understand it, and a fundamental aspect of it is creating a culture that doesn't encourage procreation beyond what's sustainable for a population.

the only mechanism for creating wealth is to apply capital to commodities to improve their value. You must engage in capitalism to create wealth.

given that, there are better and worse ways to engage in capitalism. Free markets are historically superior to collective ownership. Which actually shrinks the wealth of society.

you're not being compeled to do anything. You're just responding to the reality that if you dont work your quality of life will suffer.

IF you can get all of your needs fulfilled without requiring the labor of any humans, then great w/e. but right now we can't, and furthermore we never will without the power of free markets to drive innovation and expand wealth.

if you want the futuristic utopia then support free markets.

morality is built into the free market. If you act immorally you'll alienate anyone who would do business with you.

I care about end-use, not the ability for some jew to entitle himself to a portion of present production based on some special self-superiority. Wealth is for lazy people.

>ONLY in white homogeneous societies
Explain Libya, before the jews were too threatened by a good example and had to blow it up.

>reality
>a bunch of rich jews create reality
Are you done sucking cock for your masters yet, leddit? Your participation is no longer welcome nor required.

>implying efficiency that goes almost exclusively into the pockets of some jew is a good thing
Wew lad.

>Heirarchy:
>Society
>The People
>The State
>Business

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No. Idolatry runs rampant on the free market.
Everything is permitted to keep Mammon happy.

>implying niggers and spics can't be fixed
Aside from that, one reason is that it's cheaper and easier for everyone involved, including you.

darn wrong photo

Former Kiva Robotics/Amazon Robotics worker here. We had this concept years ago. In house we called it 'The Pope Mobile'

Yes, people are not being taught how to succeed in capitalism. Thanks, jews.

I'm not saying I don't support free markets. I don't believe in the idea of a Utopia either. But there is a philosophical argument to make in regards to our socio-economic situation. One simple truth is that human capital isn't the dominating factor in our economy that it was up until 40 years ago. Another simple truth is that as guys like Jeff bezos are on the automation train. And while he "creates" jobs, the reality is that they disappear, the more automation kicks in. And this is on top of a big wave of migration and growing populations. All these, and many other factors are why I'm making my argument. We don't NEED to keep increasing wealth because we don't NEED to continue to increase our population. We are not a cancer.

>We weren't meant to be slaves.
So what are we meant for, God?

we prefer the term "freedom boxes" as in you are free to work in them or find a new job

there isnt real communism as long there is leaders, rulers, or it goes system like North Korea or 1984. That's why we need to get world ruling (((bankers))) and debt out of power! After that every system could work.

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sealed indictments

It is happening!

Kek

>We are not a cancer
Capitalists are a cancer, though. When they stop growing, they don't senesce, they immediately die back to the root.

>"We're sorry, your wagecage has already been opened for the allotted 15 minutes, it will not open until the end of your shift."
NO ALEXA I NEED TO GO TO THE BATHROOM PLEASE LET ME OUT OF MY WAGECAGE!

Does National Capitalism or Anti-Semetic Capitalism count?

I think we were meant to decide why we exist for ourselves. Our lives shouldn't be dictated by a necessity to work so that you can live. How many people just barely scrape by, never fully understanding why they were born in the first place? I believe that you would want to decide for yourself who you are and what you want out of life. The entire social contract is a scan designed to milk you of your entire life so that the guys who own the farm can realize their destinies, at our expense.

>gold standard
What, so instead of borrowing money from private (((bankers))) when we have the option to print it into existence and tax it out of existence, we borrow money from private (((bankers))) and have no other choice?
Sounds pretty stupid, if you asked me. It seems like it would be better to get the Fed back under 100% public, politically accountable control, to the point where its chairman is popularly elected.

yes wagecage is a great idea

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I agree user. I think that as thinking human beings, we can decide that we don't want to be like a cancer

If you work for Amazon you deserve what you get.

>jews blew up Libya
To be fair it doesn't take much to ruin some shithole in Africa

If it's an American flag you know it's not satire.
You need to go back.

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>libya was a shithole before the arab spring
fuck off CIA, you've ruined too many countries already

We should hang the chairman of the fed and institute a currency that's based on the value of labor itself, if we are insistent on maintaining 20th century thinking about economics.
Though my real argument is

Even the nicest country in Africa is still a shithole by American standards so yes it was a shithole

I think that's just going to the opposite extreme. The danger is not in negotiating your position in a society with other people. The danger is in reducing one's worth into solely economic measures, and reducing all other facets of life and all informal economies into formal exchanges. There is a balance to be struck between time creating society, cooperatively, according to the terms one helps to decide but does not individually determine, and time creating one's self. (((Maslow's))) hierarchy of basic needs was sound, however misused over the past 50 years. A strong self is built on a strong society.

I like your position.

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permitted by who? Are you saying that you'd do business with immoral actors? Because I wouldn't.
If there's no state interference forcing association then all association relies on mutual consent. All it would take is for people to care about something, and it becomes the fulcrum of the economy.
If we can't trust people to care about this stuff on their own. Then in what universe can we trust a government comprised of these people to care enough to enforce it?

If we can't be trusted with freedom then the world isnt worth saving.

Degeneracy sells.
It makes people slaves of carnal pleasures.

>a picture of a nigger ghetto makes up all of America
lmao you're proving my point that niggers literally can't have a nice place. Look at what they did to our cities and what they've done to their continent

>Detroit
>a city run by the left and filled with gangbangers

Nice response

WE dont increase wealth to support population growth. We increase wealth because we're always CONSUMING it. That valuable house, rots away to nothing unless someone cares enough about it to invest in maintaining it. There is no plateau in the economy. We can't "coast" along steadily. We're either growing or we're shrinking. And most importantly, I think, is that a growing pie doesnt just mean we can support more people, but that we can all have bigger slices for ourselves. Life can be better, and it can keep getting better given certain circumstances. We should encourage those circumstances.

Libya was the door to the West and EU ... they open it for "Greater" Israel ... saturation tactic 101 for dummies

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>don't want to be like a cancer
You mean...alive?

I think that's a pretty narrow view of what "morality" means in this context. It's not about some people choosing to focus their lives in meaningless sensations but how some people will victimize other people, and how they use whatever powers and weapons available to them to do it. The state is such a weapon and it is the most powerful one.

It makes a society degenerate, thus bringing suffering and despair. Sin is sin. You're not the one who has the final word on what's good or bad.

>We increase wealth because we're always CONSUMING it
Wealth is just a feel-good word you made up, but what does it actually mean? Use-value?
>There is no plateau in the economy. We can't "coast" along steadily. We're either growing or we're shrinking
That's because of compound interest, not any natural law. One must always run faster to stay in place.
Steady-state economics can exist, but they don't allow for usury, and are therefore of no interest to those currently in charge or who aspire to be in charge.
>And most importantly, I think, is that a growing pie doesnt just mean we can support more people, but that we can all have bigger slices for ourselves
Kek. Nice theory, but it doesn't work that way in a hierarchical system. Also, trickle-down is neoliberal bullshit.

I don't like pro-NEET memes but I have to admit that Cagie Wagie is funny

No I support fascism

worked at amazon for two weeks
couldnt handle more than two weeks
perfect job for sheeps
if you end up at amazon and want to stay then your a dumb fuck
who cares its better than having them roam around stealing our packages form our door steps and stealing our children

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Yes, I support the government allowing me own private property. Don't you?

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Capitalism requires a small government that doesn't pick and choose winners. We don't have capitalism.

Do you like shitting up Jow Forums with slide threads?
Because thats what captialism lets you do.
sage

>being this jewish

>hurr durr muh if it didn't happen exactly this way it never would have happened
Kill yourself.

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I'm sure oyu have no trouble identifying wealth whenever it comes to you getting nay or it being taken away. Yes wealth is the useful things we have.

You like natural law? How about the second law of thermo dynamics? If we're not building we're decaying.

Oh ok. you laughed off my assertion so I guess it's wrong. We can tangibly measure how much wealthier everyone is now than in the past, and it's more. some doofus who thinks he wants a yacht and being able to afford one doesnt change the fact that the lowest economic tiers are all better off now than in the past.

semantics

This is retarded
Its just a saftey cage so shit doesnt fall on you
Like a dozer or a bobcat

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>muh second law
You've gone into animism now.
>We can tangibly measure how much wealthier everyone is now than in the past
No we can't. We can only measure exchange value. We can't measure use-value, contingent use-value (the smartphone and suit one has to wear to go to the job one doesn't really like), any market that's not equilibrated and clears regularly. We can make up numbers for propaganda purposes and assign them around, sure.
You too can be rich with double-entry accounting if you ignore one column in favor of the other.

Only because you have defined them in your religious zealotry to mean the same thing.
Without the state, you have no private property.

Spend your days in the wage cage, your nights in the cuck shed. What a wonderful time to be alive.

Ok so you're of the mind that things just are how you say they are. I have to say I'm not impressed.

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If natsoc had won we would be colonizing mars

We can't be trusted with freedom because Jews are still a thing

can you elaborate on what you see as dysgenic, in terms of economic policies?

The good thing about capitalism is that it channels personal ambition into collective quality of life. Ultimately I don't really know what the alternative is, given the failures of planned economies. I'd be willing to believe I've been misled about planned economies, but just going off the data available to me, it seems like the communist method of having bureaucratic committees determine the allocation of goods and services, rather than the market, has been a failure historically.

So if that's true, then I would say I'm committed to some form of capitalism. But then there are still further questions about what kind of regulations are necessary and effective at shaping a capitalist economy. Those questions are much more difficult and I have only vague beliefs about how to answer them at the moment, I have more economics to study.

Kek

>implying markets must affect the state
Kill yourself, neoliberal.