Communism is the simplest and purest system

Communism will only work when we have full automation. And even then itll fuck over some people.

>>Communism fails not because of the system but because of the people.

this is the only statement I agree with, communism is not a system suited for people, it's a system suited to termites

literally the highest IQ post I have ever seen.

Because communism isn't about helping he poor-- it's about killing the rich.

>Communism fails not because of the system but because of the people. They are still cursed by Babylonian magic.

That's exactly the point. It can't work within our todays society because of the envy people feel when they have to do more work for the same amount of goods. Maybe in 30 years when nobody has to work anymore because we have fancy robots and AI.
Still praying for luxus communism within my lifetime.

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It won't happen as long as people are institutionalized

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hope so comrade, but we must prepare for that moment because capitalists wont give up their power so easily

It will never happen if you believe it will never happen. People believe money has value therefore money has value.

So people who live by the community and for the community want to kill members in the community? You misunderstood the definition of communism.

>leaders, rulers
>rulers
Authority is draconian ideology designed for hierarchies.

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>unimplementable pipe dream
This is the reason why nothing ever changes. People think humans cannot heal from the Babylonian curse therefore stockholm syndromingly praise it by defending broken systems like capitalism.

>real communism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_communism
Oldest economic system.

>Communism fails not because of the system but because of the people
Automatically proving the system doesn't work.
Retard.

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>Communism will only work when we have full automation
It will be easier but not exclusively. Communism strides for community wealth rather than individual and we already see that happening in eco-villages.

Who's gonna work if everything's free?

In fact, capitalism is a utopia. Under capitalism there will always be inequality. There will always be rich and poor, because the rich cannot exist without poor. Protests in Scotland, Ireland and Catalonia, the separation of England from the European Union - is a clear example of the entire incapacity of the capitalist state model. Thus, communism is the most reliable method for the development of other planets. Nothing more, no colorful sofas and rubber phallus, resources are divided into the needs of citizens, and all the rest of the money goes to solve global problems.

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Idiot, there were no banks under communism. All the banks in the hands of the capitalists.

>Communism is the simplest and purest system
Its also the worst

Coincidence?

>Communism fails not because of the system but because of the people. They are still cursed by Babylonian magic.
>cursed by Babylonian magic
Why are commies so fucking stupid

Gobunism Thread

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liguidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
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It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis

>Sdage for
Not real gommunism. Move on do nexd coundry XDDdDDD

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>communism has been around ever since humans were around
Have a fucking source for that? The word you're looking for is bartering. You bought things with other things instead of money
Has NOTHING to do with communism

>I don’t have money so nobody should have money

The system requires people to let go of monetary, consumer, and hierarchical conditioning. All social animals are communists because they try to keep the group alive rather than just themselves. Why shouldn't humans learn from nature?

Have faith

>communism isn't about helping he poor
there are no poor in communism because everyone is equal but different
>it's about killing the rich
it's about killing the concept of being rich over others

>burger education
basically all the small communitys (wonder where the word comunism comes from) in the early time practiced communism. It was the only way to survive without advanced technologys. Sure it's not the same communism Marx described in his book but it's closer to communism than to any other system we have on todays planet.

The US got brainwashed so much on communism, so your leaders can keep taking all the wealth from you and you're still standing there and telling how "free" you are.

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Communism is convoluted Jewish bullshit, it's a pilpul in written form.

>have to do more work for the same amount of goods
You get less harvest than what you produce for (((them))) at work and pay taxes to fund refugees raping people in your community.

True communism can never happen
It will always be subverted by whoever gets the ring of power and goes full dictator
Anybody who advocates for true communism is a fool and/or wants to be a dictator

Saying people are corrupt because of the system is like saying guns kill people. The system is just a manifestation of the people's norms. There will be no system without people and definitely no hierarchy because we are the base foundation for the pyramid.

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communism isnt allthat bad

That's basically the reason I want communism.
The whole western society now builds on capitalism. I'm not even saying captialism is a bad system, but it will colapse sooner or later. Wealth and power, what today is basically the same, never should be centralised to only a small amount of people who've been lucky in their life.
All the power to the people and not to (((them)))

Communism is the easiest system to corrupt if the people still think corrupted Babylonian variables are normal. It is easy because centralization of power will not be limited to ownership.

>I'm not even saying captialism is a bad system, but it will colapse sooner or later
Bullshit. Youre saying its a bad system, because it wouldnt collapse if its a good system

These are the mental gymnastics that commies have to use

And do you like not having freedom? The more money you have, the more free you are in this tight knit system.

Communism does fail because of the system. It’s so retarded you can’t even implement it lol. It’s a thing for edgy 14 year old faggots who think they are intelligent and literally autistic losers

Well it's a good system to regulate the market. But that's capitalism in the early 50's not what we have today.

If capitalism was good before the 50s why did the soviets have a revolution in the 1900s
Why is socialism (aka communism) still failing today in 2018

The answer is that capitalism has always had problems but it has also always been the best system.

Communism is not the "solution" to capitalism, because capitalism does not need a solution. Trying to impose top-down order on an impossibly complex system that developed through individuals making decisions over thousands of years... it will never work.

Markets are impossibly complex. You cannot predict with 100% accuracy what a market will yield, because markets are influenced by other external forces. There's too many variables, and this is why communism fails economically.

Communism fails as a social experiment because you cant have a classless society. Once you reach a certain number of people you need to have some level of management of what those people are going to do, otherwise everything goes to shit real quick. When you put people in charge of other people then you have created a class distinction, and violated the core principle of communism.

It sure is! Now hand over your car keys and get back in the corn field, I'll come back with tools after I launder the Commissar's money so he doesn't kill my last remaining son.

>The US got brainwashed so much on communism, so your leaders can keep taking all the wealth from you and you're still standing there and telling how "free" you are.
>leaders can keep taking all the wealth from you
That is phony communism. In true communism, progression is done by the group rather than by individuals. A healthy community will kill off parasitic people/demons that try to inject enslaving functions into the system. Just like white blood cells attacking bacteria and viruses to keep the community of red blood cells healthy while they provide oxygen and nutrients. See, you have communism inside of you.

I've reached the point where I'd rather see every Communist, no matter how enthusiastic they are about Communism, strung from the lamp posts along the streets. Pinochet did absolutely nothing wrong, Hitler was right about the Jews, and Communists need to die before they kill anyone capable of producing their own value in society.

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>gets the ring of power and goes full dictator
who will support that guy?

Like I said. Technological or luxus communism is the only way it can work within our modern society.
Btw read a book why the russians overthrow their ruler and when capitalism evolved.
Are you just larping or is the leaf education allready on burger lvl?

There is no way that communism can work in any society

ok you're larping

>Communism does fail because of the system
>What has to exist for the system to exist?
people
why do people fail and let a monarch control them?
Because they still think being below a hierarchy is normal. It's not easy switching off the conditioning that has been forced deep down into people's throats for thousands of years.

>Now hand over your car keys and get back in the corn field...
>phony communism
>totalitarianism

You literally hate people working with and for eachother.

Hitlers National Sozialisums was actually closer to communism than to capitalism.

Anarchy it is then.

>t. Commissar

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but anarchists are self-servers

That's why I said he wasn't wrong about the Jews, I certainly think he was wrong about economics. Jews are the primary movers of Communism.

Whatever you say scum. You're the one who wants to prevent people from coming to an agreement privately to exchange labor for capital. Fuck off and die

Literal fucking tribes are the simplest and purest. So if that's your standard for quality, have fun eating each other in the jungle, cunt.

So is capitalism...

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Communism isn't an evolutionarily stable strategy. A communist society is perpetually in danger of devolving into either apathy, fascism, or feudalism. A communist society is a society without government. If society is without government, people will refuse to do certain necessary jobs and some will refuse to even work at all. If society wants to force people to work or fulfill certain roles, you get fascism. If a group pursues their own interests through force and remains unopposed by government, you get feudalism.

>prevent people
Not preventing anyone, just advising a system that will benefit all in it. Why do you think the system will imprison or kill you if you refuse to accept it? That is totalitarian, not communitive.

That's where you wrong kiddo.
Hitler would never reached his power without the national socailism system. Why?
Because it fucking worked.

Probalby the best solution for all our problems is to colonize space and all the people can live within their social systems and races.

Communism isn't exclusively for primitives. By simplest I mean using a system that is scientifically/logically balanced. By purest I mean no Babylonian and draconian input.

communism is not anarchism. Communism is other-serving while anarchism is self-serving.

High IQ post

>people will refuse to do certain necessary jobs >and some will refuse to even work at all
like in the society we have today?

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You misspelled anarcho-faschism.
>Society with max population of 150
>Top patriarch of the families is the natural leader of the "tribe".
>His people literally are his military and bureaucrats.
>No formal government to infringe on people's rights
>If lead patriarch abuses his power, have another Alpha-Chad patriarch usurp his position with public support.

>Money is a tool for only a few to have absolute freedom.
So the alternative is to enslave everyone to the mob?

>perfect
>system
So it's not a system.

No misspelling because fascism has a dictator and that is anti-community.

>All women are loyal to husbands and family because husband is both a Chad and her only means of moving up in society.
>Everyone serves a purpose that is equivalent in value to society.
>Money is a useless if not detrimental concept to such a society, as it only complicates the hierarchy to a point that betas have a harder time and alphas can't control their wives, collapsing the entire system.
>Money doesn't exist because the harm it causes.
Seriously, why aren't communist and anarchist men completely on board with this?

Im pleased to see growing interest in marxism on Jow Forums.
Its inevitable, first you question the current status quo, then you become a nazi because thats the first 'other way' you are aware of thanks to video games and movies, and then you get a little older, you read the basic premise of marx, and you understand he was right.

Marxism does not sugar coat things, inherent to marxist thought is the acknowledgement that actually transitioning to socialism is very difficult, and there is no good singular way to do it. A plan has to be developed for each individual attempt based on the pre-existing conditions.

This kind of pragmatism is one of the appeals. It doesnt have vague nebulous 'evils' either, every class is only, currently, working for their best interest. Marx does not blame the bourgeois for resisting communism, after all it appears to be a downgrade to them, why should they trust socialism (which would be improved quality of life for all but the most highest elites, and even then it would offer a more fulfilling life, not one of hollow luxury) will be obtained?

One way or another a classless society is inevitable, its just a matter of trying to figure out how to get there sooner, and hopefully mitigate the inevitable suffering of the process.

In communism the government does not regulate what businesses do, how much goods and services cost, or how much people are being paid. But that's only because in a communist society there is no currency and the people regulate themselves economically and legally. In communism the people contribute the work they can and take the goods and services they need.
At least in capitalism there are monetary incentives to pursue education and a career and the uneducated end up doing shitty but necessary jobs. In communism, what is the carrot?

Yes but ANARCHO-fascism has a unilaterally supported elder-Chad, not a dictator. He leads the society because of mutual benefit and voluntary, socially determined hierarchy alone.
Natural hierarchy is not only pro-community, but literally the foundation upon which a community itself is built.

And then either a feudal warlord rises up or society becomes a totalitarian dystopia. And so the wheel turns...

In communism your aptitudes are are tested, you are given a list of possible jobs that you are well suited for which there are openings for. You pick the one you would like to do and are trained for this.

If you refuse to work you go to gulag and work anyway, only you get paid less.

Because everyone is worker, the primary drive for innovation is in improving the lot of workers. Automation is not about more profits, but about having to work less, for example.

Do not conflate education with intelligence. You act like an idiot could just 'get an education' and suddenly be some engineer or something. There is no need to motivate yourself, if you are smart and capable you will be educated so you can do one of the jobs for smart people.

Wouldn't you rather the people doing the science jobs have their science training because they were the smartest people available, and not because they had connections or money?

>people will refuse to do certain necessary jobs and some will refuse to even work at all
People will do undesired jobs not because they are forced but rather because they love their community.
Laziness is an unconscious resistance to a society of over work. Again, people shape the system. If everyone is too lazy to do anything, then they can peacefully live in the jungle, eat fruits, drink spring water, and live in caves until they feel a motivation to progress. Laziness might just be a love problem in the community. Love is unity, unity is community, and community is communism.

I notice nothing about getting rid of shitskins from white countries and making an all white communist utopia. Fix that and i may reconsider 1488o7

you want national bolshevism its down the hall on the left

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>Natural hierarchy
hierarchy is not natural to humans
>is not only pro-community
Not having the freedom to influence something because of your status is pro-community?

>phony communism
>monarchy

>all these Starbucks-slurping commies ITT
Your utopian bullshit will never happen.
And no, killing off 99.9% of the world's population isn't a solution either.

That isn't communism, that's fascism. We already tried that in the USSR and in other so-called "communist" countries.

>Your utopian bullshit will never happen.
Have an argument to support that?
>And no, killing off 99.9% of the world's population
Totalitarianism is not true communism.

Laziness is a form of egoism, which is an incredibly useful evolutionary trait when you live in a society that won't let you starve for it. It's not an evolutionary stable strategy for a population, but for individuals it makes their fitness skyrocket unless punished by society.

>not true gommunizm
Here we go again, lads.
So how many people do commies need to kill off to finally find their true gommunizm?
And utopia isn't achievable by default, that's why it's a fucking utopia.

give an example of "real capitalism"

>not true communism
This fucking meme. The kikes who invented communism use the ideology as a tool to subvert nations. You're just one of the useful idiots that promotes their (((ideology))) for them. You stir up class hatred, promote degeneracy, and wreck national identities.

You getting a fucking job, commie.

>he thinks we're capitalists
This isn't reddit, faggot.

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>the jews are disproportionately the elite
>the jews push an anti-elite ideology!
t. Jow Forums

i would have to in communism, meanwhile in capitalism i could be on welfare, or a capitalist