A leftist comes up to you and says:
"Edward's critique which is shown in this image has never been taken seriously in the anthropological or scientific communities because it fails to understand that vague clustering (and a clade is a far more accurate depiction of race) of genetic traits does not lend any biological credibility to racial categories.
So it cannot be said that race exists among humans."
What do you do?
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I would ask him if, by definition, one would classify niggers as a different subspecies from blonde haired blue eyed Europeans or from Japanese people. Scientifically they are different sub-species. If they don't want to use the word "race" then we can always use different terms.
Europeans + Asians > the rest
You mean OR not +
Aren't race-bait activists even worse?
>tfw there's no biological race, but there's is a social one based upon the way you look (but somehow disconnected from genetics)
Check your privilege bullshit
They think it’s genes that cause the differences, just not cade genes.
>a category is not a group
nigga what
m8, we're at the point where we found 1000+ genes for intelligence, and surprise, hundreds are missing among Africans, and the rest are just more uncommon than among Eurasians
genetics are burying egalitarianism and you're talking about anthropology, lmao
I mean clade
Also, your dumb ass point is already addressed in another image of the series.
They may be distant but there’s no clade difference
also, found your previous thread with the same image
>almost always skin color
Stop lying
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>Europeans > Asians > the rest
Ftfy
So you can't make a clade tree out of the human races?
You can but only when a sufficient number of each race have a diffierent clade node
And that never happens for literally any of the animals that we consider to have subspecies, of course
>So it cannot be said that race exists among humans."
Then neither do subspecies or breeds. Both of which have more, or even less in some cases, differences between them than the races do.
>anthropological
literally irrelevant
>scientific communities
They always say this vague shit because they don't know anything about the "scientific community" they're talking about
>vague clustering
There is nothing vague about it and the reason 7 clusters are used in programs like STRUCTURE is because that's what's actually stable funny enough.
>a clade is a far more accurate depiction of race
this isn't even an argument in their favor, it has no relation to Fst but divergence.
>genetic traits does not lend any biological credibility to racial categories.
I'm not saying the visible phenotype is all there is to racial differences, but phenotypic variation itself is a manifestation of allele differentiation.
It's a very shit tier and not even an argument. Ask them why they don't think biological inequality can exist if humans don't meet any of the 5 stipulations for population equilibrium that was laid out by Hardy and Weinberg?
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rs6546856T
rs708913A
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These are 4 genes that increase intelligence
The odds of a European having none of them is 0%
The odds of an African having none of them is 53%
Polygenic analysis is going to bury egalitarianism, but have fun with your semantics m8, just be consistent and make sure you apply the same standards to animals.
>"all traits influenced by genetics are expected to differ across populations"
t. David Reich, lead geneticist at Harvard
It's common fucking sense, inexcusable if you have any background at all in Biology, and increasing impossible to deny as evidenced by this kike coming out recently and writing shit like this in the NYT.
>there’s no clade difference
that literally doesn't mean anything. It's the equivalent to saying there can't be any difference in people because we're all humans. There can't be any genetic difference in dogs because they all belong to the same clade, etc. It's fucking retarded and not even an argument.
It's game over. They published a database of 1000+ genes that increase and decrease intelligence literally 2 months ago.
They don't just vary. They vary wildly between races. See: for some examples.
Link please that sounds awesome.
nature.com
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They make no mention of race, which means they didn't find anything flattering and just decided to omit it to avoid controversy
But you can easily find the frequency of all the genes elsewhere (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov) and have a laugh at how evident it is until someone actually puts the two databases together and publishes it
It will cause a major uproar soon enough
Can you link me to an article that shows the specific genes linked with intelligence being more or less prevalent among africans / Europeans?
the condition that nu-science has set for race existing is the raw genetic distance (also called Fst) between clusters of "race", in animals other than humans there is a certain standard of genetic distance below which scientists won't consider species to be different, humans are one of these species
the problem with this reasoning is that raw genetical distance isn't appropriate especially for humans, if we edited the genes of a human (or any species) we could reach a much higher Fst before there are any noticeable phenotypical or behavioral changes, likewise by targeting specific genes that have an important impact on the end "result" you could end up with massively different specimens that have an almost nil Fst difference
dog breeds are a great example of that, there isn't enough Fst between them to call them different "races", yet nobody would argue that dog breeds are just a social construct
It's based on two different databases: Nobody has put them together officially yet that I know of
also, picture related are studies previous to the 1000+ gene study, that also highlight some differences
thanks, I didn't see this one in particular but caught the Plomin one 4 or 5 months ago. They're all starting to release this shit, I can't wait until 23andme starts telling people their expected IQ range.
Where do Africans fit into your pic
I would argue that orangutans deserve equal rights to humans because they genetically quite similar to us and are capable of many different emotions. Therefore obviously Africans deserve equal rights too since they are even closer to us than orangutans
to caveat, enough heterozygosity exists in humans to arguably denote speciation.
>speciation
*sub-speciation
>the fourth Reich is a Harvard Professor
You can’t make this shit up hahahahahahahahahha
they are in the middle eastern "direction", about 3 middle east cluster lengths away
African immigration into Europe needs to be halted before the damage is irreparable though. I don't think anyone is arguing for genocide just because some populations have lower IQ. But it certainly needs to have an impact on immigration policy.
It's almost like interbreeding isolated populations share genetic material...woah
Morphic field resonance causes race to exist to the degree that we have developed separate group consciousnesses with differing collective unconsciousness and self-image.
there's a zoomed out version of this PC1 PC2 that has all the groups, i used to have it saved but i don't know where i put it, would appreciate if someone posted it
Are you an abbo that bought into the Jow Forums is dumb meme and thought you'd come here to teach the dumb racists a thing or two?
Hey Rupert Sheldrake, shouldn't you be in Britain?
t. asian subhuman
I doubt Sheldrake will ever devote effort to expanding on the racialist implications of morphic field theory because he's already in hot enough water just fighting the academic cartel on the basic points of his research.
> Asians > the rest
Ftfy
I’m saying Africans are similar to orangutans
. Do I sound like a leftist to you?
nope, sorry I don't remember what's what in my folder
Yes, and if you're not you're still fucking dumb. What are you getting at? What do you want?
Might as well throw materialism away already. Morphic field theory is just one last ditch attempt to save it from empirical failure.
chimpanzees are 98% the same as whites.
mice are 80% the same as whites.
bananas are 55% the same as whites.
turns out small genetic differences matter a lot.
Between Radin and Sheldrake, materialism is done for.
Would you call me left wing or centre?
nah that's not it
it's amazingly complex and it has dozens of symbols for each group within the clusters, the end result is kind of like pic related but with way more detail
I would call you an instigator that's been had
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If race does not exist, how can races have less variation between them than humans within those races?
bump
that's fantastic btw, never seen it before
Here's another one
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>I would argue that orangutans deserve equal rights
Having a right is unequivocally tied to having responsibility. So this is a really dumb statement.
Whites and Asians are natural allies. Racemixing wouldnt matter as much if the world only had us in it.
>What do you do?
Shoot myself in the arm and win the argument
All asians are not created equally. Japanese people are better than chinese. All Europeans are created equally though.
>What do you do?
I say, "If there is more diversity within my race, and diversity is the goal, then I should stay within my own race to achieve maximum diversity. Now gtfo you stupid shitlib nigger before you taint all this glorious diversity."
>there is more variation among the same race than between races
Explain FST then.
>vague clustering of genetic traits does not lend any biological credibility to racial categories. So it cannot be said that race exists among humans.
False, pic related. In the field of evolutionary biology, there can exist numerous races of animals (also called “subspecies” or “ecotypes”) that are morphologically distinguishable populations living in allopatry (i.e. are geographically separated). There is no firm criterion on how much morphological difference it takes to delimit a race. Races of mice, for example, are described solely on the basis of difference in coat color, which could involve only one or two genes. Far more diversity exists between subspecies of humans.
>what are albanians?
Sorry to break it to you racists, but that plot pretty much proves Lewontin right. I dont understand how someone could look at it without noticing.
Shit. You’re right.
do you have eyes
Race Validity 1/3
Humans can be genetically categorized into five racial groups, corresponding to traditional races. Source: pritchardlab.stanford.edu
Genetic analysis “supports the traditional racial groups classification.” Source: psychology.uwo.ca
“Human genetic variation is geographically structured” and corresponds with race. Source: nature.com
Race can be determined via genetics with certainty for >99.8% of individuals. Source: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Oral bacteria can be used to determine race. Source: medicalxpress.com
Race can be determined via brain scans. Source: cell.com
96-97% of Whites have no African ancestry. Source: theroot.com
97% of Whites have no Black ancestry whatsoever. Source: unz.com
There was minimal gene flow between archaic Europeans and Asians. Source: nytimes.com
Common-sense racial categories have biological meaning. Source: ln.edu.hk
Race Validity 2/3
A substantial amount of the human genome has been subjected to natural selection since the races diverged. Source: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
With 160 short gene sequences, race can be determined with 100% accuracy for Whites, Asians, and Africans. Source: cell.com
Principal continent of origin (race) can be determined with 87% accuracy even for highly mixed populations. Source: cell.com
“It is inaccurate to state that race is biologically meaningless.” Source: nature.com
Race is biologically real and represents “genetic clusters” of variation. Source: stx.sagepub.com
“Empirical structure within human genetic variation … resembles continentally based racial classifications”. Source: stx.sagepub.com
“Recent research in genetics demonstrates that certain racial, and also ethnic, categories have a biological basis in statistically discernible clusters of alleles.” Source: stx.sagepub.com
“Numerous human population genetic studies have come to the identical conclusion that genetic differentiation is greatest when defined on a continental basis.” Source: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Genetic analysis of race corresponds with self-identification more than 99% of the time. Source: stx.sagepub.com
Races are human subspecies. Source: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Race Validity 3/3
The “social constructionist account of race lacks biological reality”. Source: stx.sagepub.com
Race can be determined from fingerprints. Source: onlinelibrary.wiley.com
For 99.86% of individuals, genetic analysis of race matches self-identification. Source: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Predefined ethnic/racial labels are “highly informative” about genetic identity. Source: web.stanford.edu
Over 2000 genes have been subject to recent (post out-of-Africa) evolution. Source: nytimes.com
The concept of race existed in ancient Greece, Rome, Egypt, China, India, and Arabia. Source: amazon.com
Racial classification has genetic significance. Source: onlinelibrary.wiley.com
Racial identity is real and is hidden in correlations between different traits. Source: onlinelibrary.wiley.com
With enough data points, an individual will never be closer related to someone of another race than someone of their own race. Source: genetics.org
An individual’s geographic origin can be determined from their genes “with remarkable accuracy”. Source: nature.com
Holy shit
NOT READING THIS SHIT NIHGGA
Shit get
LAME
Septs of truth
CHECKED
oh my
Nice
excellent
PRAISE HIM!
>knowledge get
Fair enough.
Nice
check'd
why does this clade shit matter when there's significant observable genetic differences?
"Jim Crow was not a racist policy. If you disagree, you affirm race exists."
A Fucking Muttshit NPC.
Can't argue with that
I heard another user explain the genes they are refering to like this, and it helped my grasp it better.
White guy 1: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAB
White guy 2: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC
Asian guy 1: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZF
Asian guy 2: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJK
Nigger 1: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALJK
Nigger 2: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXQU
This is what they are referring to.
>septs in September
It's a sign
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