Boston Explosions SOLVED

Wouldnt be so high if they didn't tax the shit out of people

Someone else took the job. Market rate found.

You sound very Jewish and anti working class. Probably just some sheltered yuppie that's never done an actual days work in his life.

By your logic the company should just hire illegals so they can cut costs. Profit is everything amirite?

>You don't know that fair market price varies from area to area based on supply and demand
>Get a fucking skill you worthless load.

Great job contradicting yourself.

>You sound very Jewish and anti working class. Probably just some sheltered yuppie that's never done an actual days work in his life.
Yeah only a sheltered yuppie would believe that trade skills have a market value, and that you're gonna get undercut if your asking price is too high.

Do you honestly think there is no upper limit to the amount of money you can ask for a job?

>Someone else took the job. Market rate found.
You get what you pay for apparently. This is a common trend in selling out skilled labor to the lowest bidder. I have seen quite a few rat businesses bankrupt because of this behavior. I laugh every time. We don't take in the men from that company either lol. Fuck them retards.

How much more were they asking for? Obviously if they were asking for $200k a year it would be too much. Was what they were asking for outrageous?

>Pay "fair market price" to labor
>Peoples homes explode
They may have saved money by giving labor what they wanted

>Was what they were asking for outrageous?
Probably.
The seller always highballs and the buyer always lowballs during negotiations, so they have some room to play.

>DUDE YOUR HOUSE IS GONNA EXPLODE UNLESS YOU PAY ME EXACTLY WHAT I WANT

sounds kind of like extortion....totally not gangsters.....

Are they wrong though? The National Grid thought so, and looked what happened. You pay what you get for, and if you hire a fresh pajeet off the boat to save a few bucks, expect the quality of your service to go down.

>Great job contradicting yourself.
There is nothing contradictory in what you are quoting. The only people who hate skilled labor unions is because they don't have any real physical skills. They are "pseudo elitists" who imagine that if we just did things as they think everything would be better.

You apparently don't have any real skills to offer the trades, so you pretend to be better then them. Its ok, I am used to people making half of what I do judging me for my appearance.

Yuppies gonna yup

Capitalism is extortion now?

I'm a med tech, I have no problem with trade skills.
All I'm saying is that you are not the only person on earth with your skill set, and you should negotiate a fair price with the people who wish to hire you.

Are you so dumb that you can't negotiate your own wages?

*cringe*

>higher beaners
>gas explosion

It's like pottery.

>the cost of an explosion is still cheaper than the cost of a union

This stinks of the guy who sabotaged the machine taping. The whole damn thing stinks of entitlement

>you should negotiate a fair price with the people who wish to hire you.
I have no problem with the collective bargaining process my union hall employs. Here is one of the facts that lots of you normies miss. My job is always temporary. I get a call, I complete a project after weeks or months, and I become unemployed. I am temporary skilled labor. I use a union hall to bargain with many potential employers because frankly I don't have the resources to do it. If the work I and many other tradesmen was as simple as showing up at the office and clocking in for 40 hours a week, there would be a totally different landscape involving hiring and firings. Most people cannot even grasp what I am saying, and most that claim to are just lying. I try to explain it very simple

>Get call from union hall work on monday 7am
>Drive 45 minutes into X city
>Complete job after 3 weeks
>Congrats, you are now unemployed
>Contact Union hall and let them know you are out of work
>Expect a call in a few days to months depending on area and time

Currently markets are booming. There is no queue time for work. Wages are up, and going up in all skilled labor sectors. My trade requires state certifications, so of course I am raking in cash. I will be over $50/hour in the next 5 years...this is in addition to my benefits.

Paying the lowest bidder in any infrastructure project results in failures enough that you would think that this shit would stop. Sure, cleaning up garbage cans...that is not critical....but running sewers, gas lines and electric is critical. Failure is catastrophic.

Boston Strong. Should have not gone with the low bidder however. How much will it cost in the long run? Such foolish decisions.....

It's not about being dumb or smart. The whole point of a union is to have more sway when bargaining. A group is always stronger than the individual, every single time.

Go ahead and demand a higher wage by yourself. Good luck

>you should negotiate a fair price with the people who wish to hire you.
And this is the "elitist" mindset I was criticizing of you earlier. "Just do it my way because its the best".

Don't be an elitist.

And it is most likely the cause for MA blowing up currently. Heads will roll for this.

No the union strikers blew the gas lines. It is a typical tactic in unions. They damage the assets that it is their job to fix to show the management who is boss. They should be shot.

So it's elitist for me to suggest that YOU could be making more money by going freelance??

So they are going to sack the white guys and replaced them with Indians I take it?

Isn't it Columbis Gas, not National Grid?

>implying market prices are fair
Market prices are determined by supply and demand. They have nothing to do with fairness.

No, Pajeets do white collar work. Beaners will be replacing them

>So it's elitist for me to suggest that YOU could be making more money by going freelance??
Yes. You are a med tech student. I am a journeyman Pipefitter with nearly 2 decades in the trade. I make a fair wage for my efforts. My home is paid off. My bills are more then paid, and my retirement package will leave me with plenty to spare.

Unless you know more about my life and my desires then I do, I think you are 100% incorrect. Sure, I could make more "freelance" but there is a whole bunch of headaches involved. I am also 3rd generation in my trade. I know more then I let on. I know the trade enough to know that I am not going to make enough to deal with the headache of "ownership".

I am happy being a skilled drone.

The intersection of supply and demand is not fair????
In what way is it not fair???
Should buyers be paying more than a product is worth?

good for you. just don't go making other people's life decisions for them.
Unionization should not be mandatory. People should have the freedom to negotiate their own wages. Not everyone is as contented with being a mindless drone as you are.

Do you really think this is the case? I know unions are scummy and all but that seems extreme.

This

They got rid of all the white truckies in NZ and replaced them with Indians/Middle Easterners who will work for min wage. Now we have trucks being tipped over nearly every day and alot of innocent people have died in accidents because they cant drive to save themselves.

Eventually these companies realise trucks being written off and people dying costs more then just hiring a competent white guy who wants a liveable wage. A guy i know who owns a trucking company actually became a rabid racist after hiring Indians who fucked his trucks up.

Kinda jumping topics, but why not be an elitest?

If an elitest knows the way to success - why not follow it?

"Don't be an elitest" is something a loose female would say when you tell her she needs to discipline her fatherless son.

Or am I wrong?

Dude don't you know muh market and muh bottom line is the only things that matter?

Literally their MO in the 80s, 90s...

Unions are a necessary counter balance to the extremely disproportionate leverage giant corporations have over individual employees. People that dislike unions have never been in one

>Someone else took the job.
100 houses explode. paid under market rate, got exploding homes.

You're pretty wrong. Most elitists are rootless sheltered middle class yuppies that have a sense of superiority over the working class.

This. Unions are notorious for this kind of sabotage. It fits their M.O. perfectly.

It does till their expensive equipment gets trashed or one of their low wage workers kills an innocent person.

I am in telecom, and when they strike they routinely go out and cut cables. It is a felony, but they rarely get caught.

>Most elitists are rootless sheltered middle class yuppies that have a sense of superiority over the working class.

Sounds like your fellow Boston native.

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Yup, this is highly unlikely to be an accident, and the guy they just interviewed on stream says it was no accident, now they are shilling other cases of pipes exploding.

Fucking retarded Americans, you blame the workers instead of the CEO trying to literally ruin their worker's standards of living and endanger the public, why are you so fucking stupid?

>union strikers blew the gas lines
Unions might be trash, but I highly doubt any of the strikers decided to murder a bunch of people with gas explosions, given the likelihood of them getting caught and jailed for life.

Their replacements are probably illegals.

outside contractors are always 10x more knowledge and compentant than union members.

t. EE Consultant

I have no idea who that is, but the biggest elitists I've ever met were leftist cosmopolitan yuppies that their whole lifes goal was to look rich to other yuppies. I've known actual rich people and they don't look rich, or act like they are better than everyone else. It's the leftist yuppies that always signal how much smarter and better they are than the filthy working class plebs.

Just look at the trump election. All leftists did was talk about how backwards and stupid working class people were for voting trump.

I would expect this outcome is the result of an unintended chain reaction caused by a much smaller intentional sabotage. Union fuckery + stupidity = Boom.

They sabotaged their own grid probably, never underestimate the shittiness of unioners

It's public unons that are the problem.

Sorry if I gave you that impression, because I'm not like that at all.

I think we probably agree on a lot of topics. I just happen to dislike unions because I think that they inevitably lead toward socialism.

Doesn't it kind of piss you off that a huge portion of your union due goes toward campaign contributions that finance leftist politicians?

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Wonder how National Grid's bottom line is going to be affected by literally the entire city of Boston exploding. Probably pretty bad.

We have guys who are top-tier fucking professionals with world class skillsets being replaced by literal nobodies and immigrants and half of this board attacks them when they want to be paid what they are owed for their skills. Well this is what happens when you cheap out, watch and learn, ask yourself if you want a professional or an amateur to maintenance a gas line in your neighbourhood, are the savings worth your house? You family's life? Smarten up, this is the first world, we pay first world wages for first world quality, that is how the world works you stupid fucking kike rats.

100% this no gas company is going to divert an HP line to a low pressure. The guys who did this and planned it should be imprisoned

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union terrorism???

But you're using circular logic and hoping that nobody catches it.

what makes the quality of your work so special
>BECUZ WE'RE IN DA UNION

why are you in the union
>BECUZ WE'RE SO GOOD

are you seriously implying that there are no skilled freelance workers?

Yes, but it also pisses me off a lot of companies refuse to pay a living wage for an honest day's work. That doesn't mean unions or companies are inherently bad.

Also we already have socialism. It's just part of a civilized society. As long as it's balanced with nationalism there is no problem.

I'm saying you get what you pay for, if you want to cheap out on labour enjoy your neighbourhood blowing up.

>The only people who hate skilled labor unions is because they don't have any real physical skills
Financiers never admit their cabal is the most corrupt union of all.

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that sounds an awful lot like people who refuse to lower their prices just don't care about houses blowing up

Yeah how surprising that not paying someone causes them to not care when something goes wrong.

>Also we already have socialism. It's just part of a civilized society. As long as it's balanced with nationalism there is no problem.

The socialists who support big labor unions are not the national type of socialists.

They're the commie type of socialist.

I'd prefer it if all our kids were not slaves in gulags just because that's """fair"""

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How the fuck do you jump from supporting trade unions to gulags? Your brain is not functioning correctly.

>just don't go making other people's life decisions for them.
Typical leftist behavior. Blaming me for what you are guilty of. You tell me to walk in to an employer and dictate my own wages without knowing the job I work. Keep looking down on people that wear t-shirts and coveralls at work you scumbag.

People should certainly have the right to dictate their own wages if they choose and I support that notion 100%. In my field of work, I don't walk into a place and expect to stay employed for years or decades. It is not the nature of my business. I defer my rights to collective bargaining because my union keeps in contact with many employers for me. They also make sure I am up to date on any and all training. We are paid well because we are trained well....I would dare say we are underpaid, but I enjoy knowing that we get more work by staying on the lower side.

>Not everyone is as contented with being a mindless drone as you are.
No, not everyone can stand making $45+/hour + medical, dental vision, pension, annuity 2+ weeks vacation and 401k options. What makes it worse is that I don't have any college debt. What a drag.

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>.I would dare say we are underpaid, but I enjoy knowing that we get more work by staying on the lower side

holy shit that almost sounds like.....supply and demand! crazy how that works huh

>How the fuck do you jump from supporting trade unions to gulags?

It's the same liberal mindset that supports both things.
>some people are rich and that's not fair so let's collectively take their shit
You let that shit snowball out of control and you get venezuela or ussr real quick

>some people are rich and that's not fair so let's collectively take their shit
You have a very deluded and inaccurate view of what unions are and what they do.

are you seriously implying that unionization has nothing to do with collectivism or anti-individualism?

This is the problem with the boomer conservative mindset. They think everyone can be an entrepreneur STEM rocket surgeon. They don't understand some people just want a stable job with enough money to raise a family. They laugh at the normal man who just wants to live.

It's a classic too many cheifs, not enough Indians scenario. It's what has turned a lot of people away from the right wing.

It's the whole reason trump won, he stood up for the normal working man. Conservatives will continue to lose as long as they keep up this rhetoric

Stop talking about supply and demand, the whole system is out of whack. Demand is low, because supply is high due to illegals.

Your theory would hold some weight if the labor supply wasn't flooded with foreigners brought in by our government and corporations. You want to strip away the last defense mechanism the American worker has

This, i can see one or two mistakes being made by less skilled workers, but this many is too suspicious.

The company supplying the gas was Columbia Gas.

Why the fuck should I care for your buzzwords? You act like collectivism is always bad no matter what, well tell me what sports team ever won being totally individualistic, or what war was ever won with an army of completely uncooperative, independent individuals. Individualism isn't good by default and collectivism isn't bad by default, you're just really stupid.

Freelancers are rare user because unions pressure people to join up.

Man you severly overestimate the competence of the average illegal/beaner worker.

Don't you remember that bridge collapse last year In Florida?

we can't all be as smart as a leaf
how are those 6 month waiting times for free medical services going?

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>Freelancers are rare user because unions pressure people to join up.

that pressure is usually done through intimidation, let's not pretend otherwise

Yeah, by "pressure" of course you mean "offer them a good wage, stable work and good benefits", what a travesty.

Better thank your racket of a "healthcare" system.

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>It's a classic too many cheifs, not enough Indians scenario. It's what has turned a lot of people away from the right wing.
I come from a multi-generation line of skilled labor and know the pitfalls of self ownership. I know where to find a happy medium. I could have been a lawyer, but found it too stuffy. Out in the real world you use your brain. One of the things that lots of weak people lash out about is the value of my labor. In the end I dictate my wages...In some instances I allow my hall to collectively bargain. There is pros and cons to all 3 parties involved, but overall I find the relationship we have quite beneficial to all of us. But I am also well trained. I can move anywhere in the country and settle in to making a very fair wage for my labor....My title is "Journeyman" and it is somewhat expected. We are like gypsies. We will come in from hours around to work on a power plant for a few months. We eat and drink and harass the locals. We leave like we were never there and have improved life for them in ways they cannot imagine....we do extract our toll while we are in town....The poor barmaids and help. I am married, and have no interest, but will watch as weak tradesmen get hammered down by bouncers and waitresses.

They hate me. They could dissolve my union tomorrow, and I still have all the proof of what I know. I still have a resume that puts me in nuke power houses, hospitals and grade schools. My wages would double the idiot alcoholic "plumber" applying for the same jobs. State cert trades are the only real trades (Yes including medical dental and vision people.)

>but this many is too suspicious.
If gas lines blew the way they are blowing, it is because of a pressure issue, not gas welds. Homes blowing up all over says that there was a pressure surge, and regulators failed at the home. When the streets start exploding, then you know you have a bad weld.

just like you said, "you get what you pay for" :)

said the filthy kike

I pay almost nothing and get better healthcare than you.

>I pay almost nothing and get better healthcare than you.

Sure you do.
6-18 months after you needed it.

>get better healthcare
Canada, fuck you bitch, this board is 18 and over

>6-18 months after you needed it.
more like 3 years for some things, only teenage little communist that have never ever been sick spout that "free healthcare" meme

>Freelancers are rare user because unions pressure people to join up.
Fuck, our hall doesn't give a fuck. We don't go after residential though. We have a few brothers that have started up businesses and have worked with our hall and are very successful. The first 5-10 years of a mechanical business is what makes or breaks it.

Using a union hall for staffing means many things to a new business. You can bid on projects of any size you are comfortable with, and know that you have a hall that can provide you with (debatable) quality workers who have proven records of skills. In a way it is like a temp labor service, but the other thing is that it is a fraternal organization. We do shit as a group, and look out for each other. If you are a member of a hall, you know the signs and medallions to look for. You always help your brothers, even if you hate them. It is a community, and they hate that. We are well informed, well connected and overskilled and we vote with our wallets. They really hated that we voted red this year in the federal elections. That really got some democrats ruffled.

Democrats is the party of people who don't work, though it used to be the party of workers.

Looks like they were right faggot, that their labor was worth what they were asking, because they hired someone else for cheaper, and a bunch of houses blew up! You fucking brainlet.

Forgot to take your proxy off shill.
Literally never happens, but you're an American so I can't say I'm surprised you guzzle your propaganda koolaid.