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Jesus is madeup
From previous thread:
1: Christ is a historical figure. he died via Roman crucifixion. This is a historical fact. (see 1 in pic related)
no one walks away from roman crucifixion, it's a 3 step process.
if you survive the scourging and crucifixion, the third step is the deathblow.
they need to pry someone off a cross, so they would smash their head in or stab them through the heart with a sword or spear, or set them on fire, or let wild animals rip them apart.
2: We have firsthand and secondhand eyewitness testimony claiming he visited them in person after his death.
it's written in Paul's epistle to the corinthians.
note, this is not "using the Bible to prove the Bible is true"
it's written in this epistle, but it originated much earlier than the epistle itself, secular scholarship corroborates this (see 2 in pic related)
>3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received—that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,
>4 and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day according to the scriptures,
>5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
>6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
>7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
>8 Last of all, as though to one born at the wrong time, he appeared to me also. (1 Corinthians 15:3-8)
notice that He's appearing to groups, that rules out the 'hallucination hypothesis,' because hallucinations are subjective to the individual.
this creed is also dated to around the month or year of Christ's crucifixion by secular scholarship as well, so that rules out the 'legend hypothesis.'
3: These people suffered severe persecution, torture, and death for holding this view.
which is not something someone who is unsure or knows that what they are professing is a lie is going to do.
(cont.)
so,
options ruled out as irrational:
A) the eyewitnesses were all lying
B) the eyewitnesses were all hallucinating the same thing at each occurence
C) the myth of this event evolved over time (legend hypothesis)
D) Christ survived the crucifixion
options left:
E) the event actually occured
F) ? ? ?
the only reason to deny option E in light of the evidence is this sort of circular reasoning in pic related
Same story but different names, locations, times, etc.
No he was real why would so many people get them selves killed for no reason why do you know how many people got killed just for witnessing Christ?,
all just a story to give people a half-truther to follow
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>Trying to study
>Suddenly get the god question in my head again
>Get distracted for 3 hours reading wiki pages on Paul and Aquinas
I feel like my faith is both getting stronger but at the same time getting more concerned.
When the Lord first spoke through Hosea, the Lord said to Hosea, “Go, take for yourself a wife of whoredom and have children of whoredom, for the land commits great whoredom by forsaking the Lord.”