I know there are a lot of smart people on /pol.
I challenge you, the brightest, to disprove my argument that there is no difference between existing and not existing.
Thank you.
I know there are a lot of smart people on /pol
Oliver Scott
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Nathan Rogers
>there is no difference between good and bad things
>there is no difference between living and dead things
no one cares about people like you.
Alexander Perry
if this is your belief you don't have an argument you are just fucking retarded
at the end of the day yes, your body and your brain are products of physical evolution and completely objective and not truly real. HOWEVER, your brain emits a vast array of electromagnetic waves NATURALLY, and this implicates the brain to be involved in a vast, Earth-encompassing electromagnetic resonance field which collects all forms of life energy and transcribes it onto a greater (metaphysical) platform, which is where the demons and angels and all source divinity exists relative to our existence as humans.
there is a God, and evil is an absence of God, and evil will always steer you wrong by uploading into your consciousness, specifically by hitting you up with deceptive suggestions masquerading as your own thoughts
nihilism is true only in a PURELY physical and objective nature, we are not alone in of ourselves but we (our consciousnesses) are electromagnetic holograms reflected into reality by the largest hologram in existence aka the Absolute, which also projects a hologram for the God-Consciousness and is also the portal to God's other universes.
so maybe our bodies are all that exist to us in a sense, and our eyes are just portals into a bleak and technically empty world, but at the same time literally every thing has a spirit due to the electromagnetic interaction so frankly you are not alone and God loves you.
just feel with it bro you will actually feel these things definitely if you stop listening to evil.
Joseph Bailey
Hi,
Thanks for replying.
Good and Bad are labels given by humans and are directly connected to our subjective human well-being.
For example, you would say that a predator(tiger) is "Bad" but the tiger would say that the prey (you) is "Good" for the tiger.
Good and Bad are subjective labels.
>there is no difference between living and dead things
That is my claim, you didn't provide a counter argument disproving it, rather you stated it again.
Our current existence is detached from the higher dimensions you talk about.
We didn't choose to exist. So we are not making the decision whether we want this existence or not.
You are rather providing an argument favorable towards not existing in the current dimension.
Oliver Lee
I think your real argument is not existing and existing without influence are the same thing. You're correct. For example, if your deity "exists" yet can not or does not interact with the world we live in, then what's the difference? Carl Sagan wrote a piece called "The Dragon In My Garage" in which he states:
>Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so. The only thing you've really learned from my insistence that there's a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You'd wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then, why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I've seriously underestimated human fallibility. Imagine that, despite none of the tests being successful, you wish to be scrupulously open-minded. So you don't outright reject the notion that there's a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. You merely put it on hold. Present evidence is strongly against it, but if a new body of data emerge you're prepared to examine it and see if it convinces you. Surely it's unfair of me to be offended at not being believed; or to criticize you for being stodgy and unimaginative -- merely because you rendered the Scottish verdict of "not proved."
Aaron Carter
>there is no difference between existing and not existing
Then prove it by kys.
Evan Rodriguez
Mehta is your definition of existence?
Isaac Roberts
Poo poo pee pee
John Bennett
>I know there are a lot of smart people on /pol.
you dont know shit. this place is chockers with autistics
Camden Martinez
Nigger what problem does this solve. your not smart your just a faggot. go back to rk9
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Charles Gray
BRAP
Brody Roberts
what? it's different on a fundamental level. one is the absence of the other and you didnt even post an argument
>tfw no difference between having a banana and not having a banana
Wyatt White
If there is no difference then why don't you kill yourself? What is stopping you? Oh you won't do it? Hmmm.
Kevin Foster
>to disprove my argument that there is no difference between existing and not existing.
It all comes down to self-awareness, you are conscious in one and unconscious in another.
for a plant or dumb animals you would be correct there is no difference between existing and not existing because they arent aware of their own existence and relation to the universe.
Not if you want to go from not being conscious of your existance,to the point where the fate of your existence wouldn't matter, thats up to you.
Dylan Torres
by definition there is a difference. something that exists exists and something that does not exist does not exist
Samuel Nguyen
>ebrything is subjective!!
This is a retarded teenage pseudo-intellectual revelation that most people grow out of when they're 17 unless you're Joe Rogan. Yes, everything is subjective, but that's a retarded metric to operate on when faced with our view of reality. It's totally worthless to view everything through the lens of "Aha, this apple is only my perception of an apple!" It's like you're trying to code a game with binary. It's just stupid. You're looking at questions like how to live your life through the lens of fundamental metaphysics. You're using the wrong tool for the job.
Dylan Bell
t. fotb from reddit in 2016
Ian James
The final stage of nihilism is the idea that nothing matters doesn't matter.
Jeremiah Hernandez
So I could keep posting on Jow Forums whether I existed or not?
Adrian Anderson
only a self aware observer can tell if something exists or not, now does something exist if its not observed?
Gabriel Walker
This tbqh. Also see picrelated.
Lucas Davis
How doing soit prove or disprove my argument?
What is the difference for the banana for either state?
Consciousness is the by-product. Not the counter argument to my thesis.
You would equally not care for the lack of consciousness in your non-existent state as you would care for it in your existence state.
The equality is preserved. Therefore the states remain equal.
You were arguing using good and bad. I merely pointed out that the tool is wrong.
My tool in it's questioning is bipartisan.
You make a point that posting, and therefore experiencing is the difference, but the experience itself was once non existent.
The two are polarities of the same, and therefore equal.
Anthony Reyes
I guess. Life is shit, and THE shit at the same time. We just got to learn how to cherish the good times in a meaningful way. Its as important to get completly smashed on alcohol and drugs at a friday night, as it is to really know how the wind, rain and trees feel like, for example. Whatever the purpose of this life thing is, i have no clue. But i AM going to enjoy it to the fullest while i can. It also means having a bit of self control to not die quick, if you enjoy life too much.
Ian Garcia
>disprove my argument that there is no difference between existing and not existing.
Does your question itself not presuppose a difference for you to to able to present them as objects of potential comparison?
Connor White
What do OP? What should stop us from killing ourselves?
Dylan Hughes
Point is. Maybe some of us should learn how to live more, instead of getting depressed thinking about what it is. Smart people are prone to depression and mental illnesses, so maybe, sometimes, we should just consciously (or unconsciously) "become a normie"
You know... let it go for a bit. Letting the mind relax instead of living in constant depression
Colton Anderson
If there's truly no difference, why would you kill yourself? It would make.. no difference.
Jose Moore
kike detected. argument disproved.
>reddit spacing
fucking kill yourself, nigger.
Josiah Harris
The act of questioning does not presuppose a difference.
Carson Jones
So, how do you live your life day-to-day? What gets you out of bed each morning?
Alexander Reed
wtf is /pol?
Mason Williams
It's human spacing.
Nathaniel Scott
>disprove my argument
>makes a statement without arguing for it
Initiative is on you to actually *make* an argument before someone can disprove your argument. Now, perhaps I'm being a bit pedantic and you really just want people to try to disprove the statement, but that's not what you said.
The subjectivity / objectivity paradigm is a false dichotomy resulting from the confluence of Newtonian physics and western philosophy (specifically Descartes) in our cultural consciousness.
If you want to have a serious discussion about these ideas, you have to first define what it is you mean, precisely, when you refer to existence and non-existence. I challenge you to do so.
>spoiler: the definitions will be different
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