Why did Hitler Invade Russia?

Partly. Mostly Lebensraum.

no no that pretty much is true

Because Russia was the greatest threat to him. It's the same reason Japan attacked the US.

>they had 30,000 tanks already built for an invasion of europe
>the last 20 years were constant wars against europeans where they got humiliated and were looking for revenge (poland, lit, lat, est, ukr, finn,
>deep ideological hatred for communists
>the brutality of the red army essentially directed entirely against europeans
>administration filled with jews

What's that?
>Regarding Finland, ok, but that's not a motive

Because war with the Soviet Union was innevitable and he figured (correctly) he would have the advantage if he struck first. He didn't prepare enough, attack soon enough and did a bunch of mistakes during the invasion that costed Germany men and equipemnt it couldn't afford to lose. He also only fully mobilized the economy for war after the war had truly an irrevocably turned against the Reich

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Zionism

that and france was considered the power-to-beat in the world at the time and they got cleaned up in 2months. If france held out longer (6m - 2y) there would've been very little chance they would have attempted barbarossa.

Russia was about to invade Germany, just like it did whit many other countries before that and the allies stood in silence

wearswar.wordpress.com/2017/11/16/germanys-incredible-courage-to-defend-europe-how-hitlers-invasion-of-the-soviet-union-surprised-stalin/

They weren't "about to". Stalin was years away from doing so. He would have done it in 1945 or 1946 after recouping his officer corps and massed produced enough combat cars. The T-34 was great but they didn't have neraly enough in 1941.

Was Russia engaging in military provocation, then?

Room to breathe. Property rights. Germans used to be a very fecund people before the war. Don't be stoopid.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum

Yeah they had massive forward deployments of troops and no way were prepared for defensive. Part of the reason why Barbarossa was so massively successful.

It was impertinent to make Bolsheviks submit before they would be ready to steamroll whole of Europe.

So there was strong evidence that they were 5 years away from invading?

Stalin committed not a single crime. Invading people is against socialist thought, which requires revolution. In fact active invasion was the idea of a man who Stalin had erased from history. If he wanted to invade places he would not have done this.

Hitler would have known as well.

The Nazis were probably just being influinced by butthurt syndicalsts

The Soviets had partially deconstructed the Stalin line but hadn't finished the Molotov Line, and the Germans knew they had to strike before the Molotov Line was finished.

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The BT-7 was designed for being a high speed tank to navigate highways and roadways. The Soviet Union didn't have many of those. Meanwhile Europe did. In essence it was an invasion tank and many were forward deployed.

>muh lebensraum
Retard alert pick up a history book once in your life

Germany needed oil plain and simple, Russia wasnt selling them enough

I didn't realize it was Hitler's plan to steamroll Europe. He seemed like he was more interested in his ethnostate.

that's still "about to" you tist.
besides anyone else but stalin wouldn't know if he would be ready 40, or 41, or 42, or 43..

90% of their airforce was killed on the runways in poland.

planes on runways = attack imminent

At that time? No. But the ideological differences and their intended spheres of influence made the war a certainty and both sides knew it. Whoever won could have very well have an unassailable position in Europe (SU would have gotten it had the Aliies not invaded too, a lot of moves the Aliied High Command did was thinking about the post war negotiations).

>what is the winter war

He thought they were going to steamroll Romania and take over the vital oilfields that fueled the German military because he was snorting Nerve Tonic six trillion times a day

This was why Stalin said it's laughable to call the Nazis nationalists

Oh yeah? What else? Hitler was making a massive army while wasting resources gassing sopilliosn of jews, gays, gypsies and blacks?

The Red Army in June 1941 was the largest, best equipped army in the history of the world. The concentration of Soviet troops on the German border was frightful. If Hitler had not invaded the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941, the Soviet Union would have easily taken over all of Europe. German intelligence correctly saw the massive concentration of Soviet forces on the German border, but it did not see all of the Soviet military preparedness. The real picture was much graver than Germany realized.

Evil finland fired artillery on soviet soil just for laughs, don't you know you capitalist pig. SU was just engaging in self defence by trying to annex finland.

mainly becuse Russia would have eventually invaded him. He thought that he could get a quick victory against a weak Russia (and get that sweet slavic oil).

To get to the other side

Ah yes those evil Finns and their plans for world domination

>meme flag

>Stalin committed not a single crime.
Why should I continue arguing with you from there?

Stalin said so to his officers and wrote it in a book with limited circulation that he inted to have the Red army capable of defeating Germany in about 1945. Not sure what the realities on the production front where but it seems he was right, despite losing precious facotires and resources during the war, the Red Army was very well equiped although not always well supported logistically. Stalin strikes me as someone who could have gotten his way even if he had to sacrifice other industries to do so.

>meme flag

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Stalin was the one who said 1945/46 to his officers. And 5 years is an eternity in a war. A lot can change and a lot can be done or prepared. About to implies urgency like its gonna happen next month.

90% of Russia's air force was in Poland? That would be huge provocation if so

>Stalin strikes me as someone who could have gotten his way even if he had to sacrifice other industries to do so.
well he kinda starved 6 gorillion ukranians to buy more weapons with their grain

were his officers germans?

You only think corporatism is bad because it sounds like corporation you haven’t read anything but that same copypasfad Mussolini quote.

It’s actually a lot more “progressive” by Leninist standards than liberal democracy

>The Red Army in June 1941 was the largest, best equipped army in the history of the world
They were considered a laughing stock and got trounced. The Red Army got its institutional expertise after years of fighting and at 1945 was rightly considered an excellent force. in 1941 they had the black mark of losing so many men in Finland and the Allies didn't put much stock into them resisting longer than 3 months. The tenacity of the Russian people did more to slow the Germans down than their ill prepared soldiers in those first 2 months.

Hitler needed the oil.
Russia is a count and would've attacked eventually, e rybdelay just let Stalin arm up.

The invasion was a strategic necessity.

Hitler fucked up by insisting on capturing citiesbratger than steamroll through Moscow.

He should have besieged Leningrad and Stalingrad passively and just rolled his tanks over until he met tojo.

Then gone back and laid long term good fashioned sieges to the cities not completely taken, and installed a natsoc puppet government.

Risky, as ruskies could break out of the besieged cities and cut supply lines, but they wouldn't last long if actually surrounded, with Stalin dead and Moscow collapsed.

He possibly could have even just made a 2 prong attack. 2/3rd the forces go straight to Moscow, 1/3r takes the oil fields in the south, leaving the decapitated urban areas until after the swastika flew from the Kremlin.

Had he taken Russia down as quick as he could have, Britain probably would have shut up quick and accepted Hitler's generous peace offers.

All of Europe was fascist except the Brits and the commies.

Hitler takes the ruscoms, the fascist block of Europe teams up with the japs to negotiate the nips and mutts not fighting over SEA oil in exchange for effectively turning Asia into a colony of western culture killing the chicoms.

We funnily enough end up with the world map from 1984, almost, but with fascism instead of communism.

He needed oil

Slander

I always assumed that was an ettnic cleasing.

striking two stones with one strike.
suppressing the people and making profit

>jewpedia
>still believing in the lebensraum
>american

yep, this one is really ok

Interesting. I'm not sure this falls in line with everything I've read about the third Reich. If they were imperialist, that's news to me.

because he was high on meth and needed to cleanse dirty slavs NOW!
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Not to mention Stalin had purged almost all of his expert military guys prior to 1941.

No? But his officers weren't silent robots who obeyed blindly, some let information slip, many of them shared things they shouldn't have in letters and personal conversations. Stalin wanted war, of that there is no doubt. I assume he was more realistic abou the time it would take to be fully prepared.

because slavshits are pretty easy to kill. plus lebensraum.

hitler just didnt expect that the USA would kickstart the russian economy by 400%.

he also didnt expect that UK didnt white peace after france was down.

he simply didnt know other germanics were so disgustingly eager to kill germans.

but thats a very good lesson for the future. NEVER trust non germans. never. kill every brit, every mutt, every germanic that is not living in germany.

dont trust ANYONE that isnt german.

next war is about to end all brother wars. by killing all brothers, so only we remain.

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SU?

BECAUSE SUBHUMAN SLAVS NEEDED TO BE GASSED ASAP

jumped the gun, shieet its easier to fix this way than wait years for deletos messagus

as a preemptive strike

Soviet Union

I think we're getting somewhere, now

In the years 1937-1941, the Soviet Army grew five-fold, from 1.1 million to 5.5 million. An additional 5.3 million people joined the ranks of the Red Army within one week of the beginning of the war. A minimum of 34.5 million people were used by the Red Army during the war.

This huge increase in the size of the Soviet Army was accomplished primarily by ratification of the universal military draft in the Soviet Union on September 1, 1939. According to the new law, the draft age was reduced from 21 to 19, and in some categories to 18. This new law also allowed for the preparation of 18 million reservists, so that the Soviet Union continued to fill the ranks of the Red Army with many millions of soldiers as the war progressed.

German attack did screw up Stalin's plans, JewSA had to step in and provide massive aids.

Ah. But no. Hitler didn't take the Russian seriously at all. He was convinced he was fighting the same army that had done so poorly in Finland. "Kick in the door and the whole rotting structure will come tumbling down" was a notion he pushed on his officers. He believed the russians where numerous but after losing the first few battle that they would collapse. They did not.

It didn't matter, less than one percent of the Soviet Union’s officers died in Stalin’s purge. Soviet military commanders in 1941 were well-qualified to lead Stalin’s war of aggression against Europe.

>lost Viipuri and all Karelia
>kicked

good answer!

Nothing you said contradicts what I said. I already said Stalin was bulding up his force and Hitler still didn't take them seriously.

This was meant to be a war of obliteration – and despite the vastness of Russian territory and manpower, Hitler anticipated a quick victory (his generals had predicted ten weeks). So confident the Nazi hierarchy, that they provided their troops with summer uniforms but made no provision for the fierce Russian winter that lay further ahead.

“You have only to kick in the door,” said Hitler confidently, “and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.”

the soviets had ~8500 aircraft in total and german pilots/soldiers claimed 6900 were destroyed during barbarossa

some aircraft were in siberia and other fronts too.

Considering the forces involved the Union should have trounced tiny Finland immediatly instead of throwing lives at the problem. It was useful learning experinece for Stalin though.

~35,000 tanks; also jews

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lmao using couple of words from some inspirational speech as only evidence, dum dum

is this boomer holding a monster?

i'd say it was a mixture of hatred for the communists and the need for vital oil reserves

*sip*

If they expected a longer war then why not preapre for it? The supplies, clothes and weapons for a longer campaign where not in place and the troops suffered many losses tto the cold and hunger that could have been avoided with the proper care in place. Was that just to be "inspirational"?

He wanted to expand German land.

it's probably a coors or something coloured similar, that memes' from before monster energy

Coors lite, I'm afraid

logistics

he is now
i took this picture with my buddy Roy we were drinking beer but no alcohol anymore, doctor's orders

*crack* *siiiiiiP*

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Preemptive strike against the Russians who were massing forces preparing to invade Europe.

How do you think HItler captured 3 million soviet soldiers right off the bat? They were already massed on the border. They just weren't expecting to be attacked

Allied cut iron for weapons creation in Nordic countries, Russia was only the only iron supply, Nazi Germany didn't want to pay or be dependent.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_R_4
>Plan R 4 was the World War II British plan for an invasion of the neutral states of Norway and Sweden in April 1940. Earlier, the British had planned a similar intervention with France during the Winter War.
>Germany did not have a sufficient domestic supply of iron ore, used in the production of steel.
>iron ore were imported from mines in the French province of Lorraine. Since September 1939, this supply was no longer available. So shipments from the other large supplier, Sweden, were essential for the production of tanks, guns, ships, rail cars, trucks and other implements of war.
>Swedes shipped most of their iron ore by rail through the ice-free port of Narvik, in the far north of Norway. In a normal year, 80% of the iron ore was exported through Narvik. The only alternative in winter was a long rail journey to Oxelösund on the Baltic Sea, south of Stockholm, which was not obstructed by ice. However, British intelligence suggested that Oxelösund could ship only one fifth of the weight Germany required.

So German were supplied with iron from Soviets:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_Commercial_Agreement_(1940)
>The German–Soviet Border and Commercial Agreement, signed on January 10, 1941, was a broad agreement settling border disputes and continuing raw materials and war machine trade between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
>The agreement proved to be short lived. Just six months after it was signed, Germany invaded the Soviet Union, and economic relations between the two countries came to an end. The raw materials imported by Germany from the Soviet Union between 1939 and 1941 played a major role in supporting the German war effort against the Soviet Union after 1941.

Preemptive strike. Why does anyone believe the Nazis and the Communists could have been long terms friends?

That were not in place for a longer campaign. Because they didn't expect it.

>Actually believing this

Why are you arguing with a Sami?
Kannst du nicht sehen, dass sein Gehirn eingefroren ist?

Preemptively. If they were to ever have a chance it would be right then. Soviets were gearing up you know.

Because im bored and killing time till I have to go feed my chickens.

>Nothing you said contradicts what I said
My point is that Stalin was ready for war in 1941, not need to wait to 1945. Also, Hitler didn't prepare his winter clothes because, as you said, he thought it would be a quick war. Traitors in the intelligence agency didn't pass the full memo of the ridiculously large army the SU have... And welp, he lost

ok, that's clearly crap. Nobody goes to war because they dont want to pay for steel

Because he was a "butch" (masculine) homosexual and therefore had retarded emotions. Any sane heterosexual man would be thankful of the relatively easy gains, consolidate those gains and prepare for defense that would most likely result in successful dissuasion, instead the stupid homosexual wanted Russia for his delusional neo-Spartan/Butch-faggot Empire.

PS - There is no evidence whatsoever that Stalin was going to attack and in fact Stalin was turning against the Jews himself.