When is communication with spirits allowed? What are the conditions for communicating with each different type of spirit including angel, demon, and deceased human? What is the main distinguishing factor between prayer and witchcraft?
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Unless you are praying to Christ, the father or the Holy Spirit, (all one God, 3 persons) alone then communication with spirits is forbidden. From a biblical perspective there are no ghosts, only demonic and angelic entities. Angels don’t communicate with us unless it is necessary or they are ordered to, demons on the other hand love to communicate because it opens our hearts to demonic oppression and quite possibly, demonic possession, so unless it is prayer, then no talking to spirits is sinful and dangerous spiritually and potentially physically
That pretty much sums it up.
>From a biblical perspective there are no ghosts
1 Samuel 28
>talking to spirits is sinful and dangerous spiritually and potentially physically
What about people haunted by spirits against their will? Are they sinning? They seem to be unable to avoid the spiritual and physical effects regardless.
very true. some demons are harmless but their polarity interferes with communications with God.
You can purge demons and spirits easily through prayer and burning sage.
>some demons are harmless
Could you elaborate on this. I am very interested in this subject because I am haunted by one. An exorcist told me it is benign and he doesn't want to exorcise it and another clergyman even told me it was sent by God.
Perhaps they are sinning, perhaps they did something seemingly innocent that opened the door or perhaps circumstances put them in the path of demons. But they should not be trying to open the door further. They need to contact a catholic priest and set up an exorcism.
Deaceased humans: Luther was right about this issue (On Translating, 1530). It's possible that we can ask for the saint's intercession successfully (that they will hear us), but we don't know for sure. Doing so in good faith may not be inherently wrong. But it would be a very dangerous line to walk on. If it were a good thing to do, we'd probably expect God to command it of us, but we do not find any invocation to do so in scripture. To conclude, praying to saints should not be the normative practice of a Christian, and very easily leads to idolatrous practices. Asking for intercession easily leads to worship, which is wrong (Acts 10:26). In the words of Luther, "There is no need to paint a welcome sign for the devil on the door; he will be there anyway".
As for angels, again, there is no Biblical precedent or commandment from God, there is no reason to believe the angels can hear us, and it sets a bad precedent. The angel in Genesis 32:24-29 did not ask for a blessing, and rather received it. In Revelation 22:9, the angel rebukes John for unduly reverencing the angel. So again, this is not a healthy Christian practice.
As for demons, we are to flee from evil, and communicating with demons is just foolish and dangerous. If anything, we ought to rebuke them for their rebellion against God, but certainly trying to make requests of them is sinful.
Witchcraft is an archaic term. In the first century, the term was used to refer to "potion-makers" who procured abortions by chemical means, for example. Witchcraft in popular culture bears little resemblance to Biblical witchcraft (though it does have associations with pagan cultic practices), and it has even less to do with prayer. Prayer is a form of worship and really ought to be for God only.
You cant speak to spirits only evil ones.
okay, heres one
>god made you in his image
>sin to mutilate self
>gib foreskin at birth
yeah the jews i get it but they don't force your hand or your parents hand right?
>They need to contact a catholic priest and set up an exorcism.
I contacted one and he said it's a demon but refuses to exorcise, believing it's harmless.
>Catholicucks being mystery Babylon, in a nutshell
Get a better one.
Other clergy also say it's harmless, or literally sent by God for assistance
>1 Samuel 28
Doesn't prove ghosts exist, medium was either lying/ventriloquising or was talking to a demon pretending to be a relative
No all demons are dangerous but some have no interest in you, but demons who are know everything about you, more than you in fact, they want to do anything to hinder and keep you from God.
Old Christian books on possession also speak of human spirits possessing people. I didn't believe in ghosts for decades, but it turns out disbelief is actually a modernist deviation.
This
Christianity teaches there aren't any spirits, and talking to yourself is generally a bad symptom.
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Anyways, Vatican = beast from the bottomless pit (the term was commonly accepted by romans of Jesus' day as meaning the Roman Catacombs, where pagan mediums would try to contact their dead ancestors). And what did the RCC do? Dug up the bones of the catacombs and brought them all over Europe. From the bottomless pit!
Old Catholic books ain't Christian
What you have to understand about the Catholic church is, over the last 50 years or more, they have been infiltrated by the worst scum on earth, Boomers. Spineless fucking pussies, Satanists and people who went in just as a carrier. You need to find a proper man of the faith. They still exist but you have to sort through the filth to find one.
They are right to a degree though, they cant harm your soul unless you let them but they can keep being a nuance.
>Witchcraft is an archaic term. In the first century, the term was used to refer to "potion-makers" who procured abortions by chemical means
The modern concept of this would be pharmakeia, or drug use and dealing.
You want a true redpill as a Christian? Psychedelics open you up to spiritual forces, but not the good kind. Thats why so many people who take magic mushrooms claim they, "see God". Which, "god", they are referring to is inferred if you read your Bible.
If you do your homework you'll find the CIA peddled psychedelics through their back channel into the beatnik/hippy movements of the late 50's-late 60's. It is no coincidence that this is also when post-modernism, anti-Christianity, anti-family, etc, agendas started taking fruition.
I have not done psychedelics, but I have a brother in Christ who has and he said that it is straight up demonic. He said he saw, "Aztec" like patterns everywhere (Aztec culture was straight demonic), and had visions of the shady people he was with as demonic faces. If you have the Holy Spirit, then you should feel something dreadful inside you whenever you hear a hippy/new age person talk about anything - it's all demonic!
Take it with a grain of salt if you want, but at least do some research into pharmakeia and the origins of our modern sciences. Much of what we know about our world is untrue, and the more I read my Bible, the more I take it as literally true, even if our understanding doesnt grasp it initially.
Truth is stranger than fiction, but the truth will set you free.
>If you have the Holy Spirit, then you should feel something dreadful inside you whenever you hear a hippy/new age person talk about anything - it's all demonic!
Huh, I guess I really do have the Holy Spirit. Good to know.
Wait till you realize all the creators of the internet used said CIA psychadelics
Thus demons literally created the internet by using human servants
And now Jow Forums falls for the same shit via "meme magic" and this board. Drugs not even needed anymore. If you still believe in kek, "checking numbers" including the supposedly "Christian" 7777777 get, or any of the popular memes here you'd best believe those are all demons.
Memeing is literally a sin.
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>When is communication with spirits allowed?
Never willing, there have been mystics that have had those kind of experiences but only as accident, see Natuzza Evolo.
>What are the conditions for communicating with each different type of spirit including angel, demon, and deceased human?
If you willingly try for it you come up with demons fucking up with your phychic faculties, even risking a possession.
>What is the main distinguishing factor between prayer and witchcraft?
God and Satan
Read book in pic
Catholicism is New Age Babylonianism. Mary is the Whore that rides upon the beast [RCC]
Also guess what video games are?
Simulation of the occult. You're conjuring sprites onto a checkerboard , like Masons do. "Pixels"/"pixies". Get it?
Even Photoshop base layer is the checkerboard too
I'm a developer.
And that's why you're having the demonic experiences. You're participating in witchcraft.
What a great rebuttal of the truth that the Vatican is the anti-Christ from...... Vaticancatholic.com
Sure, no bias there.
>It's another episode of Proddies thinking Ahriman is real and Satan is evil
(checked)
>Memeing is literally a sin
You familiar with the Holy Ghost? Misuse of memes is the unforgivable sin; IE manipulating the flow of information for the benefit of oneself/group
>Misuse of memes
No, using most memes at all is violating the 2nd commandment . Graven images.
Ohh fuck off. Not everything is witchcraft.
Also, what?
Your first post was saying Catholics are new age Babylonians,
Then your next post was insulting "proddies" and saying Satan isn't evil.
Did he posess you to get he 666 post?
>You familiar with the Holy Ghost? Misuse of memes is the unforgivable sin; IE manipulating the flow of information for the benefit of oneself/group
No Satan, that's A SIN against a Holy Ghost, worthy of death according to the Bible but not the unforgivable one. The unforgivable one is claiming works of the Holy Ghost are of Satan like the jews did to Jesus.
>Graven images
More referring to pic related than a fucking frog. That is, until people start to worship the god damn thing
As the video says, with false religions, God with leave a major inconsistency or lie, and the inconsistency will often be hidden in plain view.
Maybe these sedevacantists should take a page out of their own book. What a foolish position.
In Christianity you are encouraged to communicate with the Holy Spirit. You can also contact angels. Contacting demons is not scripturally forbidden, in fact Jesus regularly spoke with demons. But don't bother unless you know what you are doing. Communicating with deceased humans through prayer is an absolute regular occurrence.
Ask angels and the deceased for guidance. Take control of demons, they must work for you, for Christ and the betterment of the world.
Witchcraft is the result of various kinds of magical practices with the aim of instituting the will of the practitioner over Nature. The danger with this is that while you may be able to exercise an appreciable control over events and those in your environment, you cannot say that you can always exercise full control and mastery over your own being. The only entity that can exercise complete mastery over themselves is God, so we can ask God to fulfill our wishes through prayer.
Measures have been put in place within Wikka to mitigate the effects of purely personal interests in magic, by asking that your intent only be fullfilled if it benefits the world. But the problem is that it is not the default status of witchcraft. The safety is always off, unless you remember to switch it on, and you can always switch it off again at a moment notice, because the whole point of magic is mastery over Nature. Since you don't have mastery over yourself, you can switch it off without even being aware that it has happened. To sum up; in prayer we humble ourselves and ask God for help, in witchcraft we attempt to become God and fail by our successes.
>sage
This makes you a pagan faggot
Stop pretending like you people know Jesus when you support Police and Government...
Praying can only be effective through introspective meditation or exoattentive contemplation
Police and government are Masons, bit so is that shill Mark Passio lmao
Good well thought out post. I suspected these proddies sperging out over any contact with spirits were just ignorant.
Render unto Caesar.
Also, 1 Peter 2:13-14, Romans 13:1-2.
Prayer is not effective by our righteousness* or by anything we do, only by God being gracious to us.
(*That is not to say that prayer is not effective because of our righteousness. On the contrary, James 5:16.)
Just because something is commonplace doesn't make it right.
Satan isn't evil, humans actions are evil. Satan is no more responsible for that than a gun manufacturer is for mass shootings. I insult both Romancucks and Proddies because you both are pants-on-head retarded and quasi-Babylonian
>Did he posess you to get he 666 post?
Maybe, who knows. Satan does not act on his own, he's an emissary of God. Call me a Judaizer all day long, it's a badge I wear proudly
Interesting, I wasn't aware of the distinction
Never said it does.
Good magic works with the believe and faith in God. If you merely ask God for something i would considder it good, if you try to close out God from the equation its bad
Evil magic works with believe in rituals and symbols and false idols
>Yahweh, God of the Jews, is infinitely trustworthy. You need no other source. You will be killed if you investigate any other source, and you will be tortured indefinitely in your life after death. You can trust the God of the Jews because you are a Jew.
You talk to God only and you don't mess around with any other spirits. Now God can (and has done it several times in the Bible) send an angel to talk to you, if there is a need for such a thing. Of course you can talk with him, but only because God sent him. Don't go and looking for any yourself, you wouldn't find anything else but devils.
I am a Catholic, but to be clear what I have written is supported by a basic understanding of Biblical texts and should therefore be acceptable to both Protestant and Catholic alike. The unfortunate truth of the matter is that most Catholics and Protestants appear to have their own warped sense of what Christianity is and are entirely ignorant of its true nature. The idea that someone like this will make it into Heaven on this basis is laughable in the extreme. Don't follow the ignorant masses present in any group (Catholic or Protestant), because you follow them into Hell. Instead find thoughtful, insightful people and Christians who are willing to walk their own path and lead the sheep away from the abyss and the cliff edge.
Based Irishanon.
Are masons jews?
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Angels aren't spirits.
Dead humans cease to exist so no spirit.
Demons are dead nephilim. They're the only spirits.Hybrid angel/human.
Wtf, are you a jew?
Angels and Demons are the same thing of a different nature. Nephilim are comparable to modern-day Google, Amazon, Government, etc