In the future when 90% of jobs will be automated, communism will be the only way...

That or the (((elite))) will find some fun and creative way to purge the billions useless eaters.

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YOU are fucking idiot on top of being a lazy fuck.

>communism will be the only way.
only 1 problem user. Communism doesnt work.

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How will capitalism work when almost no one will have jobs?

Not anymore ironic than the word "capitalism" having been invented by socialists to describe the system in which fat lazy capital owners were able to leech the labor of those who owned no capital.

You’re right because Marx literally said that communism is only possible as an organic reaction (massive class consciousness) to late-capitalism; extreme stratification of capital.

Uncondition people from the Babylonian spell and there will be utopia.

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Capitalism “works” though, right?

So your saying communism won't work because it hasn't worked in the past? Did the past have AI? Such a stupid argument desu

It works perfectly fine, however it won't in 100 years

Commies get the Guillotine

there isnt real communism as long there is leaders, rulers, or it goes system like North Korea or 1984. That's why we need to get world ruling (((bankers))) and debt out of power! After that every system could work.

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It is happening!

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Eugenics was invented before communism.

It works fine? Do you have your head up your ass? Market failures everywhere, dying planet, massive inequality... If this is capitalism “working”, then we should smash the system and try something new.

yeah like in the /ussr/

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As much as I hate communism hitherto, I gotta say I find myself more and more in agreement with that statement. I mean, if 90% of jobs were indeed automated, you'd either have some form of "communism" or a complete breakdown of society. I see no third way about it.

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> In the future when 90% of jobs will be automated, communism will be the only way. So in a way capitalism will ultimately cause communism, which is kind of ironic
Silly Swede. You're talking about guaranteed basic income, and you're wrong about what it is - it's a panacea for consumer capitalism.

Robot capitalism needs consumers. In a scenario with far less than 90% automation, the consumer capitalist cycle begins to break down, because robots don't consume anything. In order to sustain demand and profit, corporations will push for guaranteed basic income in order to continue to have a functional capitalist economy. People will get a cash payment every month that will allow them to purchase what they need or want - none of that will be provided as a service or as material goods by the state. The corporations continue to function, but now with greater control as the state is actively supporting their profits.

Robot communism would not even bother with paying people to exist as consumers, however. The solution would simply be to exterminate anyone who was unable to contribute to the good of the robot overlords. Robot communism will be the controlled genocide of the human race down to a manageable, select few party members and their servants.

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>In the future when 90% of jobs will be automated, communism will be the only way.
Then shut the fuck up about communism until we actually get there

>corporations make a new means of production known as "automatons"
>communists confiscate it because muh private property is ebil and belongs to the workers
>corporations crumble and dissolve because communists/grunt workers don't know how to run a multi-billion dollar corporation
>existing automatons become scarce
>without maintenance, scarce automatons deteriorate and become worthless
>the only path to effortless plenty for all is destroyed by commies
gg

There will either be a redistribution of wealth assisted by automation or there will be blood.

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Swedes are all retarded

At a certain point, if the rich can just automate everything and live in robot utopias, everyone outside is just going to default to q capitalist system without those people. If they don't have money for food, and can't get a job at robo-mart, then somebody is just going to get some wild berries and promise people a share of them in exchange for helping him grow more. You'll just get a sub-section of the economy where thibgs devolve back to bartar, while large businesses don't get any more money coming in because nobody can afford to shop.

Commies have always believed that communism is the logical result of capitalism. That was the whole point of historical materialism. Nothing new or ironic about that.

so you're saying the same workers who deal with the day to day operations of the corporation... the ones who created the "automatons". it is simply inconceivable that they can run the corporation....

....more to the point are we not in the age of information/decision automation?
should not the first job to be automated away be the overpaid CEO?

I doubt it will go down like that. If priavte companies know they will be nationalised, they'll do the minimum automation possible to avoid that result. So most likely, you will still have private corporations, but they will be taxed and the people will have a UBI. This won't resolve wealth inequality though because the smart people will save and invest some of the UBI, while dumb people will blow the lot every year.

If by communism you mean the reduction in undesirable populations via starvation and forced labor camps you are correct.

If by communism you mean utopia, you're in for a world of disappointment.

>it'll work this time, we swear
Capitalism isn't the best but you have to be completely ignorant to think that communism is a viable option. You are not trying anything "new" in any sense of the word.

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You do know what that "star" is right?

>Capitalism
yes, commerce has worked for probably 20.000 years

define capitalism Brainiac

liberalism? constitutional democracy? feudalism? monarchism? hanseatic league?

wtf do you mean, capitalism?
what exactly is your criticism?

Corruption? Sure that happens in the layer between the government and corporations and is already globalized user. Doesn't help to give the state total control when its already fucked, now does it. fucking inbred

Communism & Capitalism are just two sides of the same Shekel.

Remember when Blockbuster going out of business killed every single job ever, because the streaming industry totally didn't happen and create a shitload more jobs?

>So your saying..
yes lobsters

>So your saying communism won't work because it hasn't worked in the past?
yes that is exactly what i'm saying.

>Did the past have AI?
what do you mean AI?

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>expecting capitalists to know how to define capitalism
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communism relies on eternal expansion to function, just the same as its captailist counter-part
but don't tell that to the goyim, oy vey!

capitalism, from caput, latin meaning: head

So what country is capitalist user?
Because if its only corruption you're fighting as we do, corruption being lobbyism, globalization and political corruption. Then shouldn't you be on our populist side instead of larping about a revolution that will never happen.

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Idiot

Henry Ford, the magnificent hater of jews, recognised that he needed to pay his workers appropriately so they could afford the cars he was producing. I'm no commie but modern capitalism does seem to be losing sight if this fact in the drive for shareholder profits at the expense of absolutely everything else.

lol, i genuinely hope lööf takes over, we need an example of communism for all the world to see so we can put this commie larpfest to rest once and for all.

what revolution?
communism is the natural state of humans, we revert to it in crisis like storm or flood or earthquake when we are cutoff from the modern concept of the world and instinctively fall back on concepts of common good

as capitalism proves itself again and again, founded in militarism and maintained by feudalism
it will sheds parts of itself to socialism again and again until it wraps right back around to our natural state

>communism is the natural state of humans
really?
having a all-seeing state control your life like you are some bitch is what you think of as normal?

i would say tribalism is kind of the natural state of humans, but what do i know.

maybe banning all non-establishment art and building monuments out of shitty cement, forcing everyone to do meaningless shit regardless of their skills, destroying the incentive to improve, destroying ambitions, destroying culture, destroying history, maximizing the number of humans on the world to a number where food supplies run so thin everyone's mental capacity is impaired.
Maybe all that is a good idea.

Doesn't that sound ideal to you?

Capitalism is glorious, coward. Heil Rand!

why did you ask capitalism to be defined when it's communism you don't know the definition of?

>to each according to his need
>from each according to his ability

that's the core of communism.
you don't need a government for this principle... certainly not a top-down government structure.
people left to their own devices with no artifice of power/class hierarchy imposed on them will produce the communist ideal.... not just because of the common virtuous nature of humans evolved socialness but by the obvious enforcement mechanism that those who do not fit this instinctive ideal will become outcasts which is at least an inconvenience (to survive alone) if not a death sentence.

your doomsday vision of communism fails because you have no concept of history, you actually believe the capitalists as they take credit for everything they didn't invent.
you like division of labor? existed forever.
you like markets? you like government more than me, capitalist didn't invent this, states did

the one thing capitalists invented was the taking of things they didn't invent

because communism is a meme, not a definition. the reason why communism fails is because people corrupt it. Its easily corrupted.

I dont like communism, I hate it. I hate lefties. I hate having to give up almost everything I own to the Norwegian state only for them to give it all away to some shit country while they fuck my future up and steal the surplus money for themselves.

I dont like that. why would I?

Every fucking commie comes across as an intolerable teenangustridden cuck anyway

IDK bout you but I'd lease a robot to do my job.

Even if you invent the technology for a robot to climb a water tower and do repair welding, or a robot to walk into a building and change the electrical system.... it will never be cost effective.

Skilled trades will be here forever, it's office work that's under the most threat.

If everything becomes automated then we are essentially post scarcity so who cares

when there is no use for people anymore the elites will have no reason to keep any of us around. you think these people are magnanimous and filled with charitable virtue? They will starve every one of us without a second thought. Everyone better hope they never automate 90% of jobs. The rothschilds arent going to give you unlimited neetbucks to pursue your personal hobby craft time.

when you corrupt communism you end up with something terrible like state capitalism.

when you corrupt capitalism you end up with welfare and minimum wage and social security and universal healthcare, etc etc.

wonder what they meant by that.

why would elites need a capitalist structure to accumulate wealth if they can have everything they want made by robots? the only thing of value in such a society would be raw materials which elites would quickly gain a monopoly over

supply of raw materials will always drive scarcity.

I wouldn't mind an AI learning my programming habits, ESPECIALLY if it produces better code.

>the one thing capitalists invented was the taking of things they didn't invent
capitalists?
what do you man, who the hell goes around and thinks of themselves as a "capitalist". we're not that shallow, it's ridiculous. I know commies do, they have that greater-good meme down to the letter, until they eventually stab each other in the back. But it's not normal.

Communism does not account for innovation.
How come most of the big advances in Modern science (last 300 years) has come from outside of academia by people not associated to any university or place of higher learning?
Bureaucracies are not effective user, they are ineffective slow and allow for exploitation. EU Is a clear indication that bureaucracies does Not work, at least no as intended (I hope).
Because if it is intended then you need to ask yourself if this is something you want to build on, if this type of overuse of laws and regulations works as a hinderance and not as something constructive to society. Because from personal experience it doesn't. In Norway the government use the bureaucracy as a tool to discriminate and often steal from people, not necessarily money, they just omit to pay people what they are owed, lets say you pay too much tax so you expect a return, but there is none and you cannot complain either because they removed that function to "save money". Or that you are unemployed and all the jobs are given via state control, but you cannot register because of a bureaucratic error in their shit system created by a diverse team of mentally handicapped sjw's.

This is just the beginning, further down the lines it all breaks down. Empirical knowledge is always more factual than Rationalistic-aqquired knowledge.

>why would elites need a capitalist structure to accumulate wealth if they can have everything they want made by robots?
you're not elite if everyone else can have it too.
you need a capitalist structure to invent scarcity to stay an elite.
that's how it's always been.

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>man
mean

>So in a way capitalism will ultimately cause communism, which is kind of ironic
Marx already held the view that capitalism will ultimately pave the way to socialism, you fucking mongoloid

We are a very long way from resource depletion and once we effectively can get off planet and access meteors and has giants resources become essentially endless

>Communism does not account for innovation.
then why are the majority of innovations the product of the people's tax dollars?

go check the science journals and what you'll see is this...
amazing breakthroughs = government funded university research
chocolate cures cancer?! study = chocolate lobby funded "research"

capitalism are the vultures that set up shop around the universities. they'll productize it (sometimes) they'll market it. they never really invent it.

I don’t know why commies are trying to push it early it’s pretty obvious that as we continue down this path with Ai and automation something close to communism will arise

So commie, why the fuck do you dumb niggers insist on forcing it too early and fucking everything up?

>why would elites need a capitalist structure to accumulate wealth if they can have everything they want made by robots?
because automation is more of a meme, it is used to hide that fact that the corporations use slave labour in Asia.
But also because the elites have extremely high demands, they want quality. The shit we buy and use wouldn't even be sold to the third world 50 years ago. Clothes are shit, food is shit and computers break down like every 3-4 years. Its all deliberate.

Doesn't have anything to do with "communism vs. capitalism" which is a fake meme.
The only way to Really make a difference and change this trend is to hurt them economically, and we dont do that by rallying with a bunch of well-off teen cunts who dress in rags and pretend they want some sort of a revolution.

We do that by severing the ties between their production/industries and their prospective market. Hence populism.
The effect of this will be that we stop the billionaires from milking the west for any more money. We need to build up our industries and our infrastructure in order to prevent a total breakdown of society, the likes of the medieval era. for that we need to abolish international institutions at least those with no clear function like the EU.

"Commies" do not want this because they are serious about their commitment to the people, they have absorbed the ideas of the new left, and they represent a globalized system where the public sphere is merged with corporations, even though they claim otherwise.

Hence their commitment to globalization and their willingness to intrude on other cultures like the historical imperialists they denounced, except this is ideological and social imperialism.

but then, a true twist!!
the ironic of the ironic happens, making irony of irony; BUT WAIT!!!!! there's more, theres the irony of irony of the ironic!!
cue evil laughter: HUHUHUHUHUWAHAHAHA

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>too early
we're already in late capitalism, what's left?

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That picture is fucking cool.

I can have your boy for a day week? Lets say $2000 if I can do shit to him?

>then why are the majority of innovations the product of the people's tax dollars?
They're not.

>go check the science journals and what you'll see is this...amazing breakthroughs = government funded university researchchocolate cures cancer?! study = chocolate lobby funded "research"
yes, don't believe everything you read. Newspapers like to hype things up. Modern education is another example of a bureaucracy gone astray.
I have a lot experience with how this works and it changed a lot during the years I've studied. Science and research has become a lot more loaded and political, that's a big deterrent if you want to do something groundbreaking.
According to Kuhns theory of paradigm shifts, it all seems interconnected and its getting harder to public even insignificant non-political stuff without having to explain it from a political point of view.
I think universities are going to be a thing of the past if it continues.

Communism is just a reaction to capitalism, this can be proven by the communist fixation on the concept of the 'working class', class as a concept is a product of the capitalist system so by basing their system on it, they just play into a never-ending, constantly switching power struggle between too materialist ideologies. Fascism is the only way to break this dichotomy

>A materialist civilization naturally turns against the very virtues and principles which made it prosperous, with time. It becomes limitlessly leftist, as much as it can take. For modern civilization this means making it all the way to communism only for millions to starve Setting the clock back to traditionalism won't save anything, just delay the inevitable again. Fascism is the only option for humanity
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A lot you monogoloid.

Do you know how far AI is from even basic human problem solving let alone innovation or creative thinking?

Do you know how complex it is to design and build a robot to even do basic labor and the amount of people and time and material it takes to produce them?

To get to a point where we have self designing, repairing, maintaining and building robots doing everyone will take probably centuries and once we are at that point we will basically be the equivalent of Roman patricians living in villas being attended by an army of robot slaves

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>capitalism are the vultures that set up shop around the universities.
Not really, you would be surprized as to how compatible sociology and marketing actually is. It's how this whole mess started, that and the new lefts created in the late 60s. But you probably know all about that as a commie.

you have a near mythical concept of capitalism, its not a good position to have if you want to critically advocate against it.

>we're already in late capitalism, what's left?
Do you recognize China is a communist country?

>total breakdown of society, the likes of the medieval era
the dirty secret behind this image is that medieval european peasants were rich compared to us. they inherited a plague ravaged world in which their labor was at a premium.

stop typing and go read the science journals like i told you to. pay attention to where the research is coming from
go tour one of the universities that houses a research group producing bleeding edge that get top billing in science journals and see the literal corporate giants in fields related to that research that have settled just outside those universities like the mongols camped outside the great wall of china.
you're dumb as bricks if you think any of these super corporation capitalist beacons are the ones pushing science forward. all they do is package it.

you're talking as if capitalists invented (or even funded) AI advancement.
they didn't get it to where it is today
only a few silicon valley tech giants have gotten in on the action recently.
....still more than half the advancements in AI are coming out of the public space despite them getting involved.

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>the dirty secret behind this image is that medieval european peasants were rich compared to us
That's how immigration and no population control works. Inflating the housing bubble has its downsides you know, apart from inflation.

>top typing and go read the science journals like i told you to.
I'm forced to read them every year user. That's why i have reservations against a great number of them.

I don't know if you understand this but whether a lobby uses a marketing company to influence media and buy politicians and the government issues a request for research from an institution (which is implicitly agreed upon beforehand), or if the same corporation does it (which is more open) it all serves the same purpose. I dislike both, you seem to be under the illusion that only the latter is a problem.

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none of these jewed retards in this thread know this.

>That's how immigration and no population control works.
what?
>Inflating the housing bubble has its downsides you know, apart from inflation.
what? somethings wrong with your brain

>rest of your bullshit
can you even show me a technological advance that's foundation of research was corporate? corporations hate spending money on the 99% fail rate that is scientific research.

>Implement hardship
>Improve technology but keep it from 90% of the population, so it only gets used for reaching space, increasing ressources etc.

Everything is fine and we don't have to argue.

>what?
less and less land and resources, what little wealth which is not stolen by elites in government and corporations (usually the same families) is distributed amongst a growing population. "which is implicitly allowed to immigrate because of altruism, even though it is being done increase the value of real estate". More people = more homes

>can you even show me a technological advance that's foundation of research was corporate?
I'm not advocating for corporations user, if you would just take that head of yours out of your ass for more than 5 seconds you would have realized that by now...…….
you're fucking tyt tier.... jesus fucking Christ.

Like I wrote in the OTHER replies, and I'll try to dumb this down for you to understand.

What I wrote was that very little of the Actual invocations in science which cause paradigm shifts, like Thomas Kuhn describes, you've read Kuhn right? Very few of those are associated with academia.
I tried to explain that giving more power to bureaucratic institutions like universities does not equate to more scientific advances. But a stringent bureaucracy like communism would estrange those few individuals who would usually contribute to scientific advancement. That was the entirety of my argument. I do not indicate they are privately funded, infact many international public grants exist.

I do not require a meme ideology in order to question corruption.

and yes, people were "richer" during the middle ages in terms of land but that does not mean peasantry and farmhands were well off.

Just let 90% of the people die. Now we have 100% employment. Problem solved.

lol no they will just reduce the population by 90%

>lazy faggots who don't want to work their way up complain about not getting paid enough for doing their simple ass jobs
>the market adapts by offering cheap, but effective robots to owners of fast food chains and simple metal working places.
>the owners replace the workers with the robots
>tech jobs open up for people willing to maintain the robots.
>there is now a huge job market for people to fix robots and the salary is high since it's a job that requires extensive knowledge in IT and computer science.

Socialism btfo.

you have a really slanted broken view of how the economy works.
you sure you're not a capitalist?

>that does not mean peasantry and farmhands were well off.
they were for a time. thats why the elites at that time started making rules about what peasants were allowed to wear and eat and stuff because peasants started using their newfound assets in ways that were breaking class norms. medieval europe has a confluence of events that stumbles into a middleclass moment for the peasantry. all that "vacation" time was local churches making more and more holy days so they could extract wealth from peasants like the landlord leeches they are (landlords of god's kingdom).

Get a job

>implying capitalist are so bad at calculating their finances that they will spend a ton of money on robots so they can spend a ton of money on robot maintainence when they could spend that money on globalization prospecting and union busting lobbying
oh ancap, why you always blowing yourself the fuck out?

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>implying capitalist are so bad at calculating their finances that they will spend a ton of money on robots so they can spend a ton of money on robot mainteinence when they could spend that money on globalization prospecting and union busting lobbying

If i work for a robotics company that sells robots to fast food chains, i wouldn't be under the contract of the fast food chain, retard. Meaning that i get paid by the robotics company.

This.

so what?
you think robotics company isnt going to fuck you?
as long as youre a wageslave for someone in the current system you are going to get fucked.

production is higher than it's ever been. wages are dead.

>you sure you're not a capitalist?
no because I have no idea what you put into that definition but I can tell you one thing
I'm never going to be a communist if that is what you are. I'm not too keen on sophistry.

I used to be a marxist years ago, but when the "new left" took over the spotlight and shoved the remaining orthodox marxists into the shadows around 10 years go. I support Trump because he resonates with the working class, I support Brexit because its working class rebellion (a litteral class war), I dislike globalization because I don't like corruption.

But saying you want communism when the governments and states have merged with corporations and this has been happening globally for some time. I dont know why you would allow such a thing? How can you possibly justify that to yourself?

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I doubt it

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>I used to be a marxist years ago, but when the "new left" took over the spotlight and shoved the remaining orthodox marxists into the shadows around 10 years go
I stopped believing in the left, felt they betrayed the principles they were supposed to uphold. It was no longer about the guiding principle in Marxism, it was now about ethnical and sexual identities, and it suddenly had global traction and elitist reprsentatiton.
That's not Marxism or communism user, but it is what it is, and commies never criticize it so i guess they like it.