>Hungary protecting Europe
As a Hungarian, it's weird to see so many people drooling over us, like we're some great protectors in the East because Orban built a wall.
For the actual wall, please refer to the image. It was considerably overpriced because a friend of Orban built it without a competition.
Here's also a scientific analysis of the wall's efficiency.
It looks like the wall is more meant to keep out Serbs?
Was it built following the Yugoslav wars?
You don't even know how good you have it
it was built like 2 years ago
>Canada
>Hungary having it better
Wanna switch countries? I get to live with a few darkies, and you get the failing public services.
Material conditions of living are less important than things that are internal or involve community life. Ask your parents
Why are you using outdated images, faggot? The actual fence stretches up to the Slovenian border now and it has drastically reduced the number of illegal entries into Hungary. Orbán is no saint, but only shitlibs or butthurt Jobbik supporters like you would deny, that he handled the situation pretty well.
>"Material conditions of living are less important"
>Hungary being the second most corrupt country in EU
>Hungary being the most individualistic country in the region
>mfw
This is what happens when everything you know about Hungary is from Breitbart.
Like I said, you have absolutely no idea at all how good you have it in Hungary. You should be kissing Orban's shoes
By that logic Orban does not protect Europe at all. If the fence goes to the Slovenian border, the migrants just go Croatia>Slovenia>Austria instead of Hungary>Austria.
What did help was the systematic closure of Balkan countries' borders and the 2016 migrant deal with Turkey.
It was made for the Balkan route because Serbia doesn't give a fuck when it come to protecting borders.Romania Does and Croatians are just traitors at this point.
You sound like a radical feminist shitting on western countries because of "muh patriarchy". They also don't realize that they live in countries representing the pinnacle of civilization on the planet, and outside of that bubble they'd be much worse off.
>By that logic Orban does not protect Europe at all. If the fence goes to the Slovenian border, the migrants just go Croatia>Slovenia>Austria instead of Hungary>Austria.
We cannot force neighboring countries to build a fence. As far as our responsibilities go, we fulfilled them and stopped the influx through the regions we control.
>What did help was the systematic closure of Balkan countries' borders and the 2016 migrant deal with Turkey.
The Turks wanted full EU membership and billions of Euros in "aid" for a migrant deal. Do I have to explain, how disastrous that would've been?
If that's true, why does eastern europe flee en masse to the west for these materiel conditions? At least in Moldova, Romania, Ukraine and Russia as far as I am informed, the vestiges of the communist security services are the ones who have privatized everything for their own benefit, and anyone who isn't part of the nomenclature's mafia is driven out of business with the help of the government. In Romania, the government's fiscal agency closes businesses for discrepancies of less than $1 between the income statement and cash machine. In countries like Hungary, literal gypsy mafia like Florian Farkas owns the media, and Orban tolerates them because he's part gypsy. Never mind the misery that Russia goes through, where there are more jewish oligarchs per capitalism than in the US, and higher differences between average and median wages than in the US.
Hungary isn’t like Moldova, Romania, etc.
How do you know, you dumb fucking amerimutt? All of eastern europe was under the KGB's heel, you think they vanished into the ether? Is that why suddenly so many eastern european leaders are pro-russia? (Czech president, Orban, Romania's Ponta/Iliescu, Moldova's Dodon/Plahotniuc)?
Now you are just being dumb. Many of these countries are part of NATO and the EU. And many of them only warmed up more to Russia because of the actions of the EU ( like threatening sanctions).
Hungary was a bit better than Moldova and Romania, but now we've backslid enough to be on par with them. Both in terms of corruption, decayed infrastructure and failing public services.
Orban said Erdogan is a great statesman, Turkey is a great country, and that he looks at them as role models. Why the cognitive dissonance?
The people didn't warm up to Russia, some leaders did for assumed political and financial gain. Eastern Europe remains overwhelmingly pro-EU contrary to that dumpster fire we call "Italy".
>community life
Nonexistent in eastern Europe since communists destroyed it.
Basically what happened is they took away the land and animals of rural people and forced them to be factory workers and live in commie blocks in the cities outskirts.
The result is people who don't even know each other or don't like each other have to live door by door.
This is not a natural way to form a community.
Especially not when you get special gibs for snitching on each other who goes to church.
Mind you moving to another city or even a flat in different part of the same city was not possible.
Or it was, but only if you have the right connections.
Fast-forward to post commie years - it's even worse in terms of community.
People from small towns are now freely allowed to move to bigger cities, where all they care about is the 200 $ more they can earn per month(which they ironically have to spend on rent). They hate the city they live in and moan about the good life in the village they are from, yet they don't simply go back there, because there's next to nothing to do there and they will starve to death.
Postin, in a shill thread
We are witch you bro.
Its not just the wall. Its your president being woke af, and waking up everyone in the EU.
You Eastern Europeans seem to have it quite rough with this corruption.
Is this a problem with just the government and the Soviet history or is it a racial trait?
Mafia formed armed raider groups and banks, blackmailed the gov or were govt agents from the beginning, enriched themselves through state contracts during the void of power in the 90s, and the structures of power were all KGB agents, at least in this part of Europe. It can't be much different in Poland, Hungary, etc
yeah, we literally still have the people on power who were in the communist party once, but now they are "democratic"
its disgusting
If he were "woke as fuck" he'd start filling the gypsies, but he is allies with mafia like Florian Farkas and is party gypsy himself. Literally who gives a shit about immigrants, they don't even stay in East Europe.
Majority of eastern Europe(probably except Hungary) was part of a foreign Empire for a big part of it's existence.
As such "enslaved" nations, the nation-psychology is that the state is something foreign so it's free for all. Applies to government workers themselves as well.
So you end up with a bunch of people, where nobody believes in the system and the set of rules. Not even the people who are elected to make the said rules and enforce them.
Russians are another level of retarded. Being an empire themselves, they never managed to produce an identity of their own.
Easy for you to say that as you get lots of gibs from the EU.
If you lived in a country that contributes to the EU only to be screwed by them over and over...
That's one of the shittiest maps I've ever seen, was it made by a 12 year old with autism?
How much money do you think we get, dipshit? EU funds are collected by sales tax, which in Hungary and Romania is 19%.
They bring desiese that no one is prepared to treat. They rape, steal and attack as they go. And they litter, literally everywhere they go its like a garbage truck did a backflip.
Its still better than Juncker, a financed globalist by a power house jew.
Well, it's kind of an oligarchy, but the nasty type. For example, in Hungary there was news a few weeks back about government people extorting money. There was this guy who built his own company, became pretty successful, then he got a phone call where he was told "I heard your company is for sale." The company wasn't for sale, but since it was a strongman of the gov't, you have 2 choices: they either buy you out for market price, or they run you into the ground and then purchase the scraps for peanuts. Either way you lose what you've been building so they can make money on the future success.
Sales tax in Hungary is 27% actually.
He's a fucking liberal.
Mi van szarospöcsű buzigyerek? Megtaláltad a 4chant? Soros Gyuri bácsi most már ezért is fizet? Takarodj vissza a 444-re ott körbeszopkodhatjátok egymást.
Who are you talking about? That is what gypsies do, and they are like 10% of the population in Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania.
Dont listen to the 444 shill, lads. Theyre the equivalent of nevertrumpers in hungary. Orban could cure cancer and raise the minimal wage overnight by 500% and they would still complain about something. The country will never be good enough for them so it's best to ignore them completely.
God bless the leafbro btw
In the communist era there was a lot of under the table deals people have gotten used to it.
There is this few people in the goverment who are ment to keep each other in check. So they just sit down and decide that one steals, one hides evidence, one turns a blind eye, then they split it.
I meant they contribute far less than they receive. It is a fact. Do your research
cry sum moar
Yes, because gypsies can somehow contract desieses only found around Syria magically without even going there.
Start making sense you globalist retard.
We have less purchasing power so we contribute less than what we "take"? Wrong, faggot. Most of the EU budget goes to paying salaries for the bureaucrats. You think eastern europe benefits from eu "gibs" when sales tax makes everything 19% more expensive and eu funda represent less than $1 billion in countries like Romania? Fuck off with the patronizing, that is money that goes nowhere.
So do you it is a matter of time? That that eventually the state will develop as a concept and become less corrupt?
Thanks for the replies anons. It sucks that you guys get nationalism in exchange for corruption, while we have "transparency" but our nations are slowly being destroyed.
Hopefully we can find a third way.
Do you think*
sorry, bit of retarded grammar there..
>Sales tax in Hungary is 27% actually.
Holy shit why? I was upset when I visited chicago and had to pay three separate taxes for food and didn't want to buy a plastic bag.
Also does your country have much of a nationalist presence? Asking the Moldovan too, better phrasing would be, do you have people who love the country itself though not necessarily their governments.
So in conclusion 1 milion gypos and turks are less of a problem and we should aim all the resources we have at the 20 000 or so refugies/immigrants.
OK Volen, I hear you.
LIBERAL SHILL ALERT
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PAID BY SOROS
>So do you it is a matter of time? That that eventually the state will develop as a concept and become less corrupt?
Somehow I am not optimist that I will live long enough to witness it.
Shut it Misho. If you dont like the t*rks or gypsies then you strike at the faggots protecting them. Which is those who keep importing and protecting even more arabs.
We have almost communism in most of Eastern Europe. Moldova has payroll tax 42% and sales tax 20%, petrol tax, etc
We get to use less than half of what we earn, people literally can't afford to live off of our salaries, which is why people are happy to move Western countries they know nobody in and are willing to live among niggers and Arabs than in their own country, where you can only survive if you're part of the cancer that ruins it.
I mean, it's pretty much jingoism that's used to justify the shitty quality of life. Aside from the 27% sales tax, your net salary is about 60% of your gross, 40% is taken. But while the gov't takes a fuckload, the public services are falling apart. Much of the money is being spent on Orban's hobby, which is football. He literally built a stadium in a tinyass village, next to his own house. I posted it here:
i love hungary and how prostitution is legal
cr*atia could only learn from you
But according to OP you guys suck the balls of the EU
>Hungary being the most individualistic country in the region
That wouldn't be a problem if the majority of the voting base wouldn't have been socialised in the Kádár-era and a proper right-wing party would exist. Less taxes, less gibs, smaller state and more guns to defend your family and your property would solve many of our problems on the long run.
>If you dont like the t*rks or gypsies then you strike at the faggots protecting them.
I do.
I do not vote for any of the major parties. That's pretty much the only tool I have for striking.
Yet majority of bulgarians are brainlets so we keep re-electing the pumpkin, the commies, the truks always get enough and your favorite "patriots" who's only purpose is to serve the pumpkin.
Anyád picsája te szarházi.
Tell us how bad was under Gyurcsány and Megdgyessy, when unemployment was much higher, and GDP growth was -6% (minus six).
Why don't you talk about that chart, huh?
Why don't you tell us that it was Orbán who fixed the economy after 2010?
You fucking idiot. Do you even know how much EU gibs Romania takes?
We contribute little to the EU but we are the single biggest market for germany.
Thats why we are being payed. Of which we see prety much nothing (corruption). Oh and don't you think that the EU wasn't aware of this they made it all possible for them.
They payed our goverments to give up national interest.
>dosnt vote patriots
You a ДПC fag or something?
If you don't know what the fucj you're talking about why do you talk shit?
I voted for Orban in 2010 mind you, precisely because I hoped they'd clear the mess of the Socialist party. For the first 2 years they kinda did it, but then as they got comfortable they became arrogant, and even more corrupt than the previous gov't. I'm not supporting them since 2012, and seeing how mongoloids like you stick to their shoes like a gob of shit, I'm inclined to keep my position. The economy got "fixed" by Mihaly Varga, one of the last people who have credibility in the gov't, who are there not because of their familial connections, but because they're professional. In fact, I think he's the last one actually.
>I voted for Orban in 2010
No you didn't. You are a liberal shill, 444 törzskommentelő buzi.
I bet you cheered your ass off when Sargentini's fake report was passed, you fucking commie scum traitor.
SAGE GUYS, HE'S A PAID SHILL
To all the shills out there, tell soros to send more money for the internet defense, ya losing terriotory and maybe europe soon.
Sorry to hear that the reds influence still holds your country, but that's remarkably low for a European country in terms of spending power. Is starvation a large part of life there, if not is food cheap or filled with additives to stave it off? What about public services like how hungry-hippo-bro pointed out the terrible spending of his overlord.
To war, through jingo! I love Vicky 2 but really is it public knowledge that your PM/President is a decadent fuckwit? Do people simply not care, and who wants a goddamn stadium by their house, if I have a home let alone a summer home I want an amazing view of something other than concrete, steel and piles of trash and rats. Also I haven't heard anything on the EU fines that were going to be placed for "trying" or actually leaving the union, was that only aimed at the UK/Poland or were your people hit by it as well and if so how much?
I've been out of the loop for a short while so sorry for the probably obvious questions.
I love it how y'all look at even past voters as some mortal enemy lol. Begone neanderthal.
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>Why don't you tell us that it was Orbán who fixed the economy after 2010?
While between 2010 and 2014 the government made some great measures like not becoming cucks to the IMF and the tax reform you have to realize that the economy has been generally booming after the 2008 market crash and in most countries in the region it has been growing faster than in Hungary.
They are doing a better job than the Socialists were doing, but we are wasting a lot of money on useless shit and corruption/nepotism which could have been spent elsewhere.
You gotta be joking.
Romanians (including gypsies) are the no 1 source of immigration from the EU here in Italy.
If you guys are unable to form a productive society, dont blame muh westerners.
How is that related to EU gibs, you low IQ nigger? You allow the gypsies, you allow the unskilled workers, that is entirely your problem. The state of Romania doesn't profit from this deal, it only shrinks their workforce.
Isn't it even weirder than Soros is also Hungarian and he's the leftist's sugardaddy?
>and even more corrupt than the previous gov't
That's arguable, though corruption was more "open" and consequence-free in the Socialist era so if you had money you could get anything. Nowadays you need connections and if you fall out of favour, you might end up thrown to the dogs.
>The economy got "fixed" by Mihaly Varga, one of the last people who have credibility in the gov't, who are there not because of their familial connections, but because they're professional. In fact, I think he's the last one actually.
That's actually true.
>Soros
>Hungarian
He isn't, he is a fucking Jew.
Then why the vast majority of them support remaining in the EU?
I cant take you seriously unless you explain me that.
Most of magapede Americans literally think that Hungary is like on the border with Middle East and that they are on first line protecting against Muslims invasion its just funny to me
anyways you wasted the money on that wall you should just let them go trough to the West like we do, it's not like West ever did anything for us, so they should enjoy in their own creation.
Its very sad. Seeing pols and hungarian jews turn on their own countries.
This. It's been proven that Croatians drive migrants from their southern border all the way to Slovenia where they tell them how to apply for asylum. And lately they are sucking Junker's cock for the gibs from EU.
Who gives a shit what the plebs think? The government indoctrinates the youth into supporting the EU, that's why, you retard. Appealing to popularity is not an argument.
Orban studied in the UK on the Soros Scholarship back in the day, and he was a liberal until 2008. But then it became more profitable to be an illiberal, so yeah. His party, Fidesz was also started out with the help of Soros.
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Uncle George bet on the wrong horse. Shit happens. Orbán didn't cave in to his policies.
>t. Millennial reatard
>t. EU shill
> t. son of a commie, russian shill
The heap of shit those fuckers leave behind is reason enough to try diverting them. I mean they fucking trampled the various crops of farmers in that countryside and left garbage everywhere you could see. And the fence was actually the earliest barrier erected to stem their flow. Then the Macedonians started doing it.
(You)
Have fun watching the nationalists take over in 2019, dont forget to change your proxy.
>and he was a liberal until 2008
Fucking bullshit, he turned classic conservative in 1994 and shifted towards populism around 2014. The "illiberal" meme started in 2016 iirc.
>Naționalism means worshipping your occupier for 50 years
I bet you are a villager too.
>finally decides to post with the Moldovan flag to try to prove he dosnt use a proxy
You are the same person. And you just exposed yourself. You started posting with the bulgarian flag the moment I came here.
>It was considerably overpriced
If paying more than necessary for a wall, and a bit of corruption is all you've got to complain about, then consider yourselves very lucky. Hungary isn't drooled over. It's just that standards have slipped so far everywhere else, that even basic norms like not allowing your country to be overrun by invaders is seen as impressive.
I have 12 posts in this thread, you retard
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All of eastern europe runs to Western Europe to live without niggers working minimum wage, that's how bad the situation is
Bcъщнocт нe. Tи ce пoяви cлeд мoя пъpви пocт.
A тoя мoлдoвeц ли e pyмънeц ли e, cи пocтвa тyкa cъщo oт пpeди тeб.
Oбaчe cи тъп нa цapeвицa, мaминo cинчe, oблъчeнo oт пaтpeoтитe и cи миcлиш, чe cвeтът ce въpти oкoлo тийн eгoтo ти, дo тaкaвa cтeпeн, чe някoй шe ceднe дa cмeня пpoкcитa зa дa ce зaнимaвa c тeбe.
>a bit of corruption is all you've got to complain about
Sadly no, it's just the tip of a really big, really fucked up iceberg. It has now gotten to the point where you can't have a successful business, because gov't strongmen will just take it over or extort it from you.
>12
21 now retard. You need to keep up with your proxies.
Дopи мaлoyмник би видял чe глoбaлиcти кaтo тeбe гo пpaвят вceки дeн. Hищo чyднo чe мpaзиш пaтpиoтитe, пpaвиш ca чe мpaзиш тypци и цигъни oбaчe cигypнo cпиш c тях, мpъcнo кoпeлe. Bъpви в зaпaднa eвpoпa къдeтo ти e мяcтoтo.
>It has now gotten to the point where you can't have a successful business, because gov't strongmen will just take it over or extort it from you.
Any evidence on that, other than 444/Western libtard news which all cite anectodal sources?
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Хoди пийни eднo хeлчe c дpyгитe мaлoyмни лaпeтии.
Mpaзя вcякa пaтepицa нa бoкo, кoмyниcтитe и тypчoлятa.
A aкo бъдeщeтo e в мaлoyмници кaтo тeбe, вepнo пo-дoбpe в зaпaднa Eвpoпa.