>It killed MILLIONS of people world wide and drove OTHER MILLIONS into absolute poverty and hunger!
How can something that has never been achieved or tried be responsible for anything? How fucking retarded are you kids?
ALL the countries where it was """tried""" still had a government, state and many other things that DIRECTLY contradict a Communist ideal.
How the fuck do you hold Communism responsible for anything when it hasn't been tried? I think that's your problem with it. Deep down you know the ideology is correct and the only good alternative, but you want to cling on to what you deem as "failures" to pretend it's bad.
>Inb4 "MUH JOOS" Fuck off. Jews aren't responsible for it. Intellectuals and reasonable people are.
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
>All the countries where it was tried had a government or a state
Well you're clearly retarded, but I'm going to take pity and explain something to you. The behavior expected of humans by a socialist/communist society is unnatural and unsustainable. Most humans are only naturally altruistic to their immediate family and maybe more moderately to a larger tribal group. Expecting them to permanently and voluntarily subscribe to a society with no private property is a fool's errand because it runs completely contrary to humanity's biological prime directive: taking care of you and yours.
Since humans won't behave the way Marxists want them too naturally or allow private ownership of resources, an oppressive state is a necessary and permanent apparatus to (poorly) distribute resources and violently subjugate those who don't fall in line.
Even within these states humans continue to obey their biological imperatives, managing important resources via cronyism instead of competence. China had so many problems with their socialist model that they had to adopt a quasi capitalist system to acheived any success economically, Venezuela didn't learn that lesson fast enough and mismanaged their oil industry into the ground via leftist ineptitude.
In short, communism is impossible, socialism is evil, and you're a retard.
This is why death is the only answer for those who espouse communism.
Chase Young
If it's never been tried, then where is your proof that it works?
Carson Sanders
.... nope, just nope
Charles Green
how does socialism reconcile ecological cliffs, scarcity on the global level, and cultural differences?
Isaac Price
Well, it still had several tries. Nazism only had one try. Let's try Nazism again. A couple of times. Then you can try communism again.
Nathaniel Stewart
Hey man I tried your communism and Im stuck at question nr. 1 How do I distribute the means of production fairly?
David Cook
So your "argument" boils down to "HUMAN NATURE IS MEAN AND UR RETARDED"?
Sure showed me there. All you're saying is speculative and not solid. There's many countries around the globe with a state sponsored socialist system that work wonderfully. Why is it so hard to believe an extra step is possible?
If we were allowed to implement it, you'd see for yourself.
>No argument Yep.
All of this will be irrelevant. There won't be "cultures" in the future, nor men or women, nor anything you and I take for granted.
>There's been a fuck ton of Fascist states that were tried and collapsed >"Once" Lol.
You distribute them EQUALLY.
Blake Hughes
YASSS SLAY QUEEN. This. Literally 100% this.
Bentley Watson
Forget it, these retards have never even read about Marxism. If they had then they would know Marx predicted an overnight transition from capitalism to communism without any intervening dictatorship of a certain class.
James Thompson
It was tried ...read Communist manifesto chapter 2 ...
Samuel Hall
No, there aren't. Nordic countries are market centric and mostly successful because of their high resource/population ratios. Norway's model is not possible in a country that doesn't have 100,000 gallons of oil per person and Venezuela even managed to fuck that up.
But yeah in sort you don't understand human nature and you're retarded. I'm not making an argument, I am telling you some very obvious truths about how the world works and you are too retarded to understand them.
It's a common disease, and the only known cure is helicopter rides
Austin Miller
I've had a go with an Argie Commie on pol a few times, picked his brain on socialism. On the surface it sounds...interesting, but once I dug deeper into real world applications the wormhole went straight to hell. I enjoy my freedom as an individual to do as i please (lawfully). Communism shackles the human spirit.
Jason Cooper
>You distribute them EQUALLY.
Ah thanks. But wait, now I have a problem with question nr. 2 Why should I work more than other people if it doesnt benefit me?
Landon Gomez
>Communism shackles the human spirit. how exactly does "to each according to his need, from each according to their ability" shackle the human spirit?
William Fisher
I don't understand how anyone can call it Communism when there's a plethora of evidence it was not.
>US doesn't have a welfare system >Most of Europe doesn't have a Welfare system >Yet somehow this is all irrelevant
>MUH ARBITRARILY CONVENIENT HUMAN NATURE So no argument?
It shackles the human spirit because it asks for your cooperation towards humanity as a whole?
Wow, what a selfish prick you must be. What a hell must it be to have to be useful and helpful.
You work the same as you would've. Don't tell me you're some money grubbing creature who only works for immediate rewards? You're not being true to the spirit of Jow Forums.
Aaron Garcia
Here we go again...
I've said this many times before but i'm going to repeat myself: Communism cannot work in a world where humans exist, doing things for complete strangers is simply against most human instincts.
It may work in small, close knit communities where everyone knows each other and cares about the community as a whole.
Capitalism has its faults but its better than believing that people will go to work even when they get paid if they don't.
Ryder Murphy
Why should I work more if it doesnt benefit me and only my stupid coworkers that dont do anything and slack off all day?
Hudson Stewart
Ever had a friend or relationship you've invested in and they take more than they give and it ends up dragging you down. That's not principal of communism, but it's the end result. The old saying of be good to yourself so you can be good to others, or for you zoomers, clean your room then go save the world.
Logan Morris
shit meme shit thread kys
Jason Martin
>Never been tried, so no wonder it always turns into something it's not supposed to be.
"If we were allowed to implement it, you'd see for yourself."
This is not an answer to my question. Where is the proof of socialism actually working?
Josiah Bailey
Lived on a commune...Literally deteriorated. 90% of the work was done 10% (me included). Everyone else just virtue signaled. It fell apart before my eyes.
Aiden Lee
HELLO IS DIS DE GOMMUNISM THRED :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD?
socialism is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
Without me, socialism is useless. Without socialism, I am useless. I must be true. I must use socialism for my enemy who is trying to tread on me. I must govern him before he governs me."
Easton Gutierrez
>a Communist ideal >just like help eachother out n sheit
Andrew Watson
The DEFINITION of communism is murdering people so you can steal their money, you fucking retard. And yes, communism was invented and peddled by jews.
Kayden Robinson
Capitalist reforms in China lead to mass poverty alliviation.
Such reforms included - decollectivization of farms - privatization of state enterprises - decreased regulations and on private business
As a resultof these reforms, poverty in China has been massively alliviated, going from 41% to 5% from 1978 to 2001.
At this point, the private sector has took over the public in being responsible for most of the GDP and its growth.
It's funny how all the communist cucks and purple heard ogres were praising Venezuela as a socialist utopia when it seemed like it was going to work out this time. Now they claim that it wasn't socialist after all when, just like every attempt, it turned out not to work.
Ian Lewis
What's wrong with that? They praised it when it works and don't praise it when it doesn't, just like the attitude of 99% of people to any system.
Michael Richardson
See >All these autistic hypotheticals to discard the entirety of an ideology because you're a selfish, materialistic prick who needs incentives to work and help others Wowie.
I donate money to various charities. Thursdays I go to the local Soup Kitchen (ALL Thursdays), sometimes more. Have either been a part of or lead numerous charity drives through my city and several other cities.
This is me living according to my ideals until I'm gifted a chance to show everybody that this behaviour is rewarding in its own way and that we can all be like this, without greed and materialistic drives.
Correct. What's wrong with what I said?
Anecdotal.
Nordic countries. The fact that most of Europe and the US aren't starving.
>China >Communist Nope.
Were the means of production belonging to the people? >No Did a government exist? >Yes Did a state exist? >Yes
Not real Communism.
Grayson Cruz
sounds like you've been brainwashed by the propagandists. self-involvement/self-love/self-interest is a feature that is fostered by capitalist-consumer culture. it is not a static or natural human feature. it is not a bygone conclusion that if you start acting in the charitable christian way that communism asks that you will be taken advantage of...
>*dictatorship that thrives on capitalism kills thousands* >Jow Forumsacks: well the guy was clearly an evil jew nigger, they have special powers, nothing to do with the fact that capitalism allowed them to do their shillinng, no no no no >*dictatorship with a socialist ideology kills thosands* >Jow Forumsacks: hurrr durrrr u seeee?, socialism is evil, the system that redistributes wealth is what is killing those people, they should try capitalism, here """"we"""" can do whatever we want, fucking evil goys trying to take rich goys hard earned money >:^(
>its wasnt real communism >jews didndunuthing Grow up and get a job faggot.
Nathaniel Brown
>direct quotes from marx >irrelevant to his ideals They were his ideals you moron.
Kevin Howard
The eyes of a Communist. It's time Trump "Executed" Order 66; The Communist Control Act. It is already Law, all he has to do is Enforce it. THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED YOU POLITELY REQUEST YOU PURGE THIS COUNTRY MR. PRESIDENT. THE CONSTITUENTS HAVE SPOKEN.
Several people attempted it but got lost along the way.
What are you on about?
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As long as you admit it's not real Communism and it WASN'T Communism at all, I couldn't care less.
>No argument
>He cannot dissociate people's personal lives from their works Feel bad for you.
Lol.
Julian Martin
*tips tinfoil*
Jacob Anderson
>? >"Mass poverty alleviation?" >"Economic growth?" >"Why should I care about that?"
What the fuck are you trying to say? Are you gonna address the massive success of capitalism in poevery alleviation or are you going to keep yourself closed in your commie safe space?
>Capitalism helps Capitalism So? China was never a Communist country, what are you trying to say here? That Capitalism rescued some people from poverty under another Capitalist system?
>Brazil 2.0 is this retarded
Aaron Murphy
We need mccarthy back.
Jackson Martinez
>Why is poverty alleviation relevant? Because it's the foremost objective of your ideology and it's being achieved by capitalism instead, exponentially.
Yes. The nordic country with the highest taxes, Denmark, was the first to hit a major crisis and the best one right now is Norway, which is the most free market one.
Only reason it worked (for a bit) is because of all the oil. The fact it didn't work in the long run is directly due to government misallocation of resources. Rather than reinvesting in and maintaining their oil infrastructure, they squandered away their resources. It's only natural that communism goes this way because it ignores return on capital and marginal returns to capital
Aiden Mitchell
there will never be communism because communism requires a stateless society. There will never be a stateless society without war, and the only soldiers that communists can scrounge up are fat neckbeards
Camden Evans
First you said its never been tried and now you are saying Nordic countries are proof of it working. Which one is it?
Caleb Perez
Obviously it's Capitalists' fault.
Jacob Davis
>quotes from marx's works and personal correspondence regarding his work >hurr durr it's just his personal life You're legitmatley retarded.
>doing things for complete strangers is simply against most human instincts. >what is services >what is customer service >what is wage work Btw. Anthropologists have determined that neolithical societies did exactly that as part of their economy. "Owing favors" was the way they did things.
Jose Ross
People do those things for themselves you silly bastard.
Nathan Nguyen
I think we agree that the goal of any economic system is to
1). Distributes resources and the means of production across a wide part of the population 2). Increase standard of living for as many people as possible
Capitalism has accomplished both. You can go online right now, set up a robinhood account, buy a share in any company in the world, and thus own a portion of its profits. In other words, anyone can share in the means of production in a capitalist system. The market also helps to distribute scarce capital to where it can be used best (i.e. who can generate the best return on invested capital). This means that companies that can operate the most efficiently get resources and companies that do not cannot squander as many resources. Communism does not have this mechanism.
Capitalism also improves standard of living. In a capitalist system, you get ahead by giving people what they want at a reasonable price (increasing standard of living). In communism, you get ahead by sucking up to those in power and producing what they think people want, not what people actually want. In other words, you align the producer's interests with the consumer's interests, resulting in each party's needs being fulfilled.
One last point I will make: more poor people in capitalist economies die from heart disease and other obesity related illnesses than starvation. Give me 50 years of obsesity over 20 years of starvation any day
Justin Rogers
>communism results in millions starving and dying >this is proof it's bad >capitalism results in millions starving and dying >this is proof it works and is good
>foremost objective of your ideology Blatant strawman.
>CAPITALISM ALLEVIATES POVERTY IN A CAPITALIST COUNTRY Wow, it's fucking nothing.
Were the means of production belonging to the people? >No Did a government exist? >Yes Did a state exist? >Yes
Not real Communism.
>Another strawman I say Socialism is working in parts of the world.
Not that Communism has ever been tried.
It's his personal life. Irrelevant to his work.
Lincoln Cook
Yeah all those starving capitalist countries like ...
...
Hudson Roberts
Africa, Venezuela, Yemen, Indian subcontinent...
>inb4 NOT REAL CAPITALISM!
David Powell
>All these autistic hypotheticals to discard the entirety of an ideology because you're a selfish, materialistic prick who needs incentives to work and help others
What will you do? Force me to work for free? >yes
Easton Anderson
i answered your question faggot
James Hill
*slow claps*
John Wilson
> It wasn't real socialism
Let's do a thought experiment with that logic.
In this thought experiment you have stage 4 cancer, that sucks, it's incurable. But wait, good news friend, I have invented CANCERCURE.
Cancercure is 100% effective against all malignant tumors, has no side effects, and is so cheap you can buy a full year's regiment on $1 over the counter.
Now a lot of my critics will say
> But user every time someone has tried to use Cancercure it didn't help the cancer, had terrible side effects that often lead to death, and universally bankrupted the patients it was so expensive.
But as we all know Cancercure is effective, doesn't cause side effects, and is affordable. So that must not have been "real" Cancercure.
When you try to meme but you're so ridiculous everyone just laughs at you.
Evan Nguyen
but the euroviet union is already a socialist communist shithole on the path going straight to hell. Are you going to say the euroviet union isn't real socialist communism??
So you admit you're a worthless husk of skin who is only willing to work for immediate, materialistic rewards?
Good to know. Why would I care about such a selfish mongrel as you?
So you admit it's never been tried.
Good. The only discrepancy is on whether it's possible or not. I say it is.
Horrible analogy.
Again,
Were the means of production belonging to the people? >No Did a government exist? >Yes Did a state exist? >Yes
Not real Communism.
Nathaniel Peterson
Exactly, it wasn't real Cancercure.
Did it cure cancer?
> No
Did it completely lack side effects?
> No
Was it cheap and affordable?
> No
Not real Cancercure.
Evan James
>Again with this false analogy and this retarded "logic" Bet you feel real proud of yourself and consider yourself smart.
Sit down, kid. There are basic requirements for Communism. None have ever been met thus far. Ergo, everything that was attempted wasn't real Communism.
>For it to be an invertebrate it needs to be spineless >Is this duck an invertebrate? >No, as you can see, it lacks the basic requirements. >Yes it is, you're an idiot. Here's [INSERT FALSE ANALOGY].
Asher Reed
Sit down, kid. There are basic requirements for Cancercure. None have ever been met thus far. Ergo, everything that was attempted wasn't real Cancercure.
Ryan Foster
This is indistinguishable from a redit top comment.
William Watson
Another meme ruined by talentless communiggers.
Adrian Baker
>Still forcing this false analogy
It would appear I have broken this NPC.
James Rogers
And this ladies and gentlemen is how you back a socialist into a corner.
See he is unable to actually critique the logic in any way, because he knows it is an exact mirror of his own logic.
So now he reverts to ad-hominems and insults.
Using this kind of thought experiment you can basically reduce any Socialist or Commie using this line to a second grade level of thought.
Kevin Wright
you forgot America.... richest nation in the history of the earth.
Equality means no one can have more than the person who has the very least. The harder you push for it as a principle the faster the population will become impoverished. There is no escaping this fact.
>ALL the countries where it was """tried""" still had a government, state and many other things that DIRECTLY contradict a Communist ideal
Well, you are some sort of anarchist then. You can't institute communist policies without a body to execute it. Your 13 yearoldness is showing.
Christian Howard
>And this ladies and gentlemen is how you back a socialist into a corner. lmao, are we in redit or what? Sad!
