What is considered white?

To be white you must be at least 7/8ths European, this includes Northern Europeans, Slavs, South Slavs (Balkans), Meds, Central Europeans and Finns.
This is the optimal threshold, any and all people who say “x isn’t white” from the groups which encompass the definition of European, are D/C shills or JIDF kikes trying to subvert identitarian causes and foment brother wars/conflict.

If you can't eat this you're not white.

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Why are Iberians, dinarics and Italians not considered white? Because they have darker hair? They look pretty white to me.

Italians have quite dark skin like most countries in the mediterranean.

>I'm just confused where the boundary starts and ends
No you're not. Slide thread.

Are middle easterners considered white? In old science literature it is said levantines, North Africans and Iranians come from a similar stock as Europeans. Also why are Ashkenazic Jews not considered Caucasoid?

I'd say its a combination of racial features combined with ethnic behavior.

Then please clarify.

People always trying to deconstruct whiteness, when does this happen to other races? If you'd be considered white in prison, you're white.

it's a combo of things, what gives the typical "white" appearance, aside from pigmentation, and genetic structure is ultimately the ancestry linked to the bronze age steppe, thus my objective definition is to possess ~50% steppe ancestry, more or less a small threshold
Iberians and Italians are defined much more by the old European WHG/anatolia_neolithic combo, steppe is more secondary

Because it's nebulous. Europeans have interbred with so many populations in history that it's hard to pinpoint where it starts and ends.

No Middle Easterns are not white, being of caucasoid stock does not make you white, being of European genetic stock however, does.

pic related is also a good proxy
note: atlanto-med peaks in Sardinians and Basques

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I just don't think it's that complicated. You know how the courts define pornography as "I know it when I see it"? Same thing for races.

The steppe corded ware people who spread Indo-European languages didn't even come from Europe, they came from Central Asia. Also Scandinavians and Germanic groups are predominately upper Paleolithic not corded/steppe.

>Also Scandinavians and Germanic groups are predominately upper Paleolithic not corded/steppe.
nice joke, you are clueless

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Obviously there are clear cut cases. But you must realize, especially in North America, many mixed people exist, along with near-white people's like Armenians, white-hispanics, etc.

Am i White?

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Why do southern and eastern euros have such low corded mixture? Why do Nordics have so much? It's counter intuitive, Eastern Europe and Balkans are closer to Central Asia than Scandinavia...

what the fuck

oh wait no, i thought that was ketchup

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no

how is it counterintuitive? east Euros have plenty CW related ancestry
south Europe was much more populated already and geographically less favorable for people who were used to the steppe, thus old European ancestry persisted to a higher degree, while in north Europe the low population allowed for greater replacement
and CW essentially never extended to south Europe, steppe ancestry in south Europe and much of non Germanic west Europe was brought by Bell-Beaker related/alike peoples from central Europe, more or less(ergo, the almost complete lack of R1a, a lineage linked to CW)

well that's you out, marco

White is someone who isn't allowed to benefit from affirmative action.

White is someone who would be excluded for a tech training conference for "people of color".

White is someone whose hiring at Google would be attacked for contributing toward the company having too many white people.

Why are you asking *us* what white means? Ask Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Netflix, Spotify, Etsy, Exxon, Harvard, Yale, JP Morgan, etc., etc., etc.

You have NO FUCKING PROBLEM when the world's most powerful institutions attack and exclude white people, but when a rag-tag band of misfits congregate on an anonymous forum to try to combat those attacks, you're suddenly EGZDREMEELY GONZERNED with how they define "white".

P.S. Yes, that guy is white, unless he agitates for and/or identifies as something else.

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indeed, south Euros aren't white, you, just barely

80% European and up would be a good standard. Some fuzziness around the edges is okay.

were bell beakers r1b?

Sorry, by east europe, I meant south slavs, like Serbs/Bulgars, etc. I can see Ukrainians have a great deal of corded blood according to that chart.

see image

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central Euro ones yes, overwhelmingly
Iberian ones no, but they also lacked steppe ancestry, R1b is almost certainly linked to the spread of this ancestry in the west

I did specify non-Balkan Slavs, Balkan Slavs obviously have significant ancestry from Balkan peoples living there before Slavs expanded recently. It's a very mountainous region, obviously nomadic peoples used to flat steppes don't fare well there

IIRC Bell beaker was a culture but there were genetically distinct groups within it. One in Iberia that was mostly Neolithic Farmer descended and one in Central Europe (whom are the ancestors of Celts and Germanics) who were largely steppe culture descended and mostly had R1b Y-DNA.

your definition sounds very much like a social construct, it's completely unrooted in physical anthropology or genetics
if you want to have any hope of building an identity over a group of people you may want to start to look into the latter

Who cares. It all looks like untermensch to me.

i see. thank you for the answers.

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Does white only mean those of 100% European ancestry?
Probably 100% West Eurasian ancestry is a better way to define it. North Africans, Levantines, and Middle Easterners share many alleles with Europeans but they have been admixed with black Africans, East Asians, and Dravidians.

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the purest west Eurasians are peoples like Basques, Sardinians, south French, Tuscans and north Italians, not exactly what people think as 'white'

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True, northeast europeans are more admixed but they look more distinct due to lighter pigmentation.

This dude is Lebanese
Is he white?

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Every single european native is white. There are whiter whites and darker whites, but they're all whites from Greece to Norway.
This is the only truth. Everything else is d&c kikery

Why do you ask questions with obvious answers?

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“People of color” have an identity rooted in social constructs, and that identity has been extremely effective.

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90% European. This number goes up to 95% if you have negroid or mongoloid ancestry

This was meant for you:

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Why the big debate.... SJW and big Jewish government know who's white. Just watch who they go after with their "white privilege" attacks and affirmative action quotas.

So she has to wait at least 3 more generations assuming her descendants all marry whites for her 4th generation descendants to be counted as whites?

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MFW huskies are more European than me.

i'd do him

The Nordic race.

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Arabs, Iranians, and yes, even Jews are technically caucasoids.
Not white though.

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Mestizos are brown OP, they're part native so they're brown--nothing like white people.

It's possible to be purely european and have brown eyes

Then just called yourself Europid then. The nomenclature of White is retarded.

That makes no historical and scientific sense.
Light eyes and hair was a mutation that spread, it's not native.
Before the mutation native Euro's had dark features and pale skin.

>pale skin
no, not even pale skin by the looks of it, at least not all Euros, some traces of light skin alleles are already visible in east Europe around 15k years ago, but the rest were quite genetically "dark", not nigger dark as some kike journalists try to push

So then what's the point of "White"?
Why fight for the "White" race if like 15% of Europeans are "White"?
Why fight for something you're aren't even included in?
Your logic doesn't add up.

>What about Eurasians?
mutts

>Or Hispanic mestizos?
mutts

>Or brazilians?
mutts

> Are some of the lighter Arabs and Iranians considered white?
Muhammads

I didn't say you should fight for "whites" if you aren't white yourself. Fight for your own ethnic group first. I'm just providing a modicum of objectivity around the ever changing definition of "white", often not even based on genetics/anthropology and way too broad. Whites will fight for themselves, we non-whites will fight for ourselves and sure, ally with whites too if it's useful.

Choose a different word like Europid then. The nomenclature of White is what's the problem here.

He looks Slavic.

not necessarily mutually exclusive, "white" would be a subgroup of "Europid", as I specified designating essentially high steppe ancestry individuals of north Europe(usually)
I'm Europid, but not white, more Euromediterranean, western and highly derived from late neolithic farmers of south Europe.

I agree the higher Yamnaya steppe ancestry makes NW Europeans substantially different. However, I refuse to call them "White". I prefer just saying North Europid. See, my issue is one with nomenclature.

You misunderstood my point.
Jow Forums uses the term White to define Europeans.
They want to "save the white race".
You define it differently.
With your definition, a small percentage or Europeans are "White". If that's the case, then why even be on Jow Forums if you aren't a part of the "White" group?
Is your definition of "White" wrong or should Jow Forums change the name of what they're fighting for?
It seems so arbitrary. This is the 5th definition of White I've seen on Jow Forums.

oh in that case I can agree, "white" is extremely poor in etymology and easily distorted, but I can hardly see people stop using it, even in the right wing community people for some reason are very attached to the label

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>Jow Forums uses the term White to define Europeans
well, not really, sorry, "white" is extremely vague even here and source of countless discussion
either stop using "white" and switch to "Europid", or don't get mad if I try to contain this definition

Mestizos are not Caucasian.

I mean, let's cut the bullshit, "white" has been for centuries a definition revolving around north Europeans.

Probably because White rhymes with Light, and Whiteness has connotations of purity and progressivism, largely due to influence of Zoroastrian and Judeo-Christian traditions.

Yes 100% European ancestry or be discarded. Also thoughts on my ancient Norman and Viking DNA?

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My father descends from Basque lmao what does that do for him? He has fuck all do to do with indo-Europe. Iberian, I will just accept that. Stop bickering about your faggot separatist ideals Jew.

fine by me, "Iberian" is just fine and dandy, in fact it constitutes a rather identifiable block, more or less, especially Basques who are an iron age relict from Iberia

Relevant:
unz.com/jman/the-rise-of-universalism/
unz.com/jman/clannishness-the-series-a-finer-grained-look-at-how-it-happened/
unz.com/pfrost/fall-of-blood-lust-and-rise-of-empathy/
unz.com/jman/predictions-on-the-worldwide-distribution-of-personality/
unz.com/akarlin/where-do-the-weirdos-come-from/
unz.com/pfrost/the-origins-of-northwest-european-guilt/
unz.com/pfrost/western-europe-state-formation-and-genetic-pacification-3/

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This. Simple as that. The only people who will call you a dnc shill are brown eyed mutts arabs and spics

Fuck off shill. None of those are white.

Those are mestizos anybody with eyes can see that you inbred Ozark creature

>well, not really
Yes, actually.
Do you know where you are?
I don't agree with the term, but that's how it's used on Jow Forums. I'm not mad, I'm trying to understand your logic because it's so contrary to Jow Forums's beliefs.

I actually believe it only refers to the British, I personally don't consider Northern Europeans "White", but even so, if the definition of "White" was changed to only reference Northern Europeans that would also mean that when someone says, "Save the White race!" they're actually saying, "Save the Northern Europeans!".
The problem with that is, it excludes the rest of Europe and the other Europeans in these "White nationalist" movements. What incentive to these people have to fight for the White race when they're aren't even included in this different class of Euro?
Seems rather silly to me.
On the other hand, you can make the argument that the term "White" has had it's definition changed.
It's dumb overall.

This thread violates the rules of /p01/

He looks like what Elliot Rodger thought he looked like

>I don't agree with the term, but that's how it's used on Jow Forums. I'm not mad, I'm trying to understand your logic because it's so contrary to Jow Forums's beliefs.
I simply don't see it, "white" is constantly used more or less as a synonym for north European, while south Europeans constantly receive a barrage of "non-whiteness" accusations, which are correct

>The problem with that is, it excludes the rest of Europe and the other Europeans in these "White nationalist" movements. What incentive to these people have to fight for the White race when they're aren't even included in this different class of Euro?
none, and? I don't get it, you want to have a racial/anthropological/genetic concept enlarged so that you can have more people fighting for your cause? do you think any self respecting south European will see himself as part of the periphery of some identity centered around north Europe?

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>you want
I didn't say I want anything.
My point is that these groups are so identitarian, changing the definition of White would disorganize them even more.
That's all.
I'm Western European and couldn't care less about what happens to the North.
I believe every European country should govern itself and sort its own problems out.
I'm only saying that your definition doesn't add up with Stormfront, Jow Forums, the alt-right, etc. all those types of groups.

only a nigger or brown can ask such question.

if they are so fragile, then they are revolving around an identity which is badly constructed to begin with
identitarians in Europe, in any case, don't really give too much importance to "whiteness", which at least does help with the common goal of saving Europeans from globalism, regardless of which European country you are from
but these identitarians aren't really strict racial identitarians, not as a primary interest anyway

ITT I provided a measurable definition of "whiteness" that at least is specific enough and truthfully corresponds to the stereotype, because fundamentally when some person thinks of a "white man", they think about a Swede/Anglo, not a Portuguese/Italian

big bullshit, you only try to cover your brown skin, trying to make rest of whites to accept you as one of us

in before gypsies: fuck you nigger

>when some person thinks of a "white man", they think about a Swede/Anglo
I agree, but Anglos are not Northern Euro's like you proposed Whites are.
Also, yes, Stormfront and the like are very weak, disorganized groups that lack a vision. They're fools and it's no wonder they're numbers dwindle.

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It's really irrelevant. Of course the actual boundaries are fuzzy. Nature isn't discrete. That doesn't mean it's okay to terminate the peak of the genetic cluster. But mainly the only reason people like to point out the edge cases is to try to obfuscate the existence of the people as a whole. It's a time-honored (((tactic))).

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>What is considered white
For the millionth time: only people of European racial and ethno-linguistic extraction are "white", ie, Europid
>Does white only mean those of 100% European ancestry?
Obviously, anyone hybrid with another discrete and identifiable race are hybrids, not white.

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I wish everyone would stop using the word white. Just stop. It’s called Swedish, Danish, English etc. Or just European.