>Roscosmos is leaving NASA-led project of moon orbital station The Gateway. "I believe that Russia can't afford itself to participate in other countries' project on second-tier roles," Rogozin said.
Fuck america.
They can't even fly to Space station. They can't even build Earth orbital station without Russia.
Useless idiots.
Roscosmos is leaving NASA-led project of moon orbital station The Gateway...
Leo Hughes
Luis Wright
What the heck. Why is this the first time I heard about The Gateway. Literally first time... and I am a space buff!
Jack Bennett
Earth is flat
Chase Fisher
Probably because it's fake project to lure Roscosmos to leak some secrets to NASA. You don't need to know it, so your media didn't force it.
Joshua Powell
Looks like it is a useless Trump BS proposal. Gotcha!
The Deep Space Gateway has received numerous criticisms from several space professionals for lacking a proper scientific goal. Former NASA Astronaut Terry Virts, who was a pilot of STS-130 wrote in an Op-ed on Ars Technica that the Deep Space Gateway would "shackle human exploration, not enable it". Terry stated that there is no concrete human spaceflight goal with the Deep Space Gateway and that he cannot envision a new technology that would be developed or validated by building another modular space station. Terry further criticized NASA for abandoning its safety dictum of separating the crew from the cargo which was put in place following the Space Shuttle Columbia accident in 2003.
Mars Society founder Robert Zubrin, who has been one of the staunchest advocates for a human mission to Mars, called the Deep Space Gateway "NASA's worst plan yet" in an article on the National Review. Robert went on to say "We do not need a lunar-orbiting station to go to the Moon. We do not need such a station to go to Mars. We do not need it to go to near-Earth asteroids. We do not need it to go anywhere. Nor can we accomplish anything in such a station that we cannot do in the Earth-orbiting International Space Station" and that "there is nothing at all in lunar orbit: nothing to use, nothing to explore, nothing to do". Robert also stated that "If the goal is to build a Moon base, it should be built on the surface of the Moon. That is where the science is, that is where the shielding material is, and that is where the resources to make propellant and other useful things are to be found."
Retired aerospace engineer Gerald Black stated that the "LOP-G is useless for supporting human return to the lunar surface and a lunar base." He added that it is not even planned to be used as a rocket fuel depot and that stopping at LOP-G on the way to or from the Moon would serve no useful purpose and it would actually waste rocket fuel.
Aiden Wilson
I just read about it and it is a complete BS project. Never gonna happen ever.
Leo Davis
the thing is, a lunar space station doesn't make it any easier to get to the moon, you are still required to expend the same amount of energy to get to the translunar orbit
wtf is the point of this
Liam Martin
"We do not need a lunar-orbiting station to go to the Moon. We do not need such a station to go to Mars. We do not need it to go to near-Earth asteroids. We do not need it to go anywhere. Nor can we accomplish anything in such a station that we cannot do in the Earth-orbiting International Space Station"
— Robert Zubrin
My guess is the people who built ISS modules (Boeing) proposed this idiocy. And politicians bought it, because it sounds “cool”.
Elijah Thompson
desu a lunar space station seems like a fucking waste of time at this point , the only part of it which is actually useful is the communication relay
they can just replace it with a handful of lunar commsats , maybe a few in synchronized orbits to allow ''realtime'' communication with the far side\poles of the moon .
what they should be doing is building a general purpose lunar robotic lander to deliver robotic experiments to the surface . we can have helium 3 harvesting and rocket fuel\oxygen refineries on the surface in 30 years .
Cameron Rivera
its not like you can just attach to the space station once it flies by earth assuming it orbits both the moon and the earth in a number 8 shape orbit
John Harris
It's actually a make-work project for the SLS. The entire project has been designed in such a way that the only launch platform that can fulfill its (very carefully designed) component requirements is the SLS, ergo, we must have the SLS in order to do this useless, waste-time project.
That's the only reason this is a thing.
If they wanted to be doing something worthwhile, they'd be thinking about something at L5, since that could be used as a relay point out to the rest of the solar system.
Christian Powell
this , entire project literally has no purpose . we will need stations around moon\mars eventually but we're a century away from that .
this project literally is 'nerfed nu-ISS on a more energetic (expensive) orbit'
Jace Lopez
Probably right. Good explanation. Although I don’t think the SLS will ever go operational.
Dylan Thompson
Right, but don't tell Congress that. They will keep funding the SLS into eternity because it has become a massive pork-delivery project. The fact that its early itinerations are already matched or surpassed by the Falcon Heavy and that its later specs will be eclipsed by platforms like the BFR or New Glenn is quite irrelevant.
The entire thing is pretty depressing. NASA is being shackled to a garbage, go-nowhere project because congress-critters want their salted porkbux.
Ethan Thompson
Who is marketing this shit heap?
Why the fuck not do an actual space exploration mission like, y'know, a manned landing on Enceladus?
Fucking no-vision voters.
The planet's name is literally "incel". What's not to liek?
Austin Long
thing is we're really, really far away from needing 'relay points' , probably almost every spacecraft in our lifetime will leave earth with the fuel for it's entire mission on board . what we really need and what is one of our main limiting factors is communication .
what we could do is an array of satellites in L2, L4 L5 to have uninterrupted communication with the far side . we could cover the moon with lots of liquid mirror telescopes (telescopes where the lens is basically a spinning liquid in a giant bowl, ) and in the lunar night when it's incredibly cold , there's no interference from earth and the telescope has a fuckhuge massive lens we could get some really good images .
Robert Reyes
HOW COME THERES NO PICTURES OF SATELLITES IN SPACE?!?!?!
CUZ ITS ALL BULLSHIT
Chase Diaz
>retards still think ayys would allow dumb human apes in space
Robert Foster
>probably almost every spacecraft in our lifetime will leave earth with the fuel for it's entire mission on board
The BFR is already being designed with plans for post-launch, in-space refueling.
That said, I don't disagree w/ setting up a relay system of commsats, since we're gonna need that kind of stuff for anything more involved than beyond the moon.
Angel Young
>Burger education
Elijah Jones
>The BFR is already being designed with plans for post-launch, in-space refueling.
The BFR still only exists on paper (and not even in its final design), has never been built, and has never flown
Zachary Turner
>Can't critical think
>Can't see past lies
>Is told how to think, what to think and when
t. npc
Parker Powell
We boosted large, empty tanks into space for decades, and wasted them. Why couldn't we have used these as dual purpose tankage & space station segments?
Dominic Bailey
shit is sad desu , if they really want to throw money and jobs at something why not atleast pick something useful. have nasa use commercial launchers and focus on building huge satellite telescope arrays or deep space commsats and probes .
even on the moon shit is tough , israeli moon lander with decent radio gear for it's size can barely get bandwidth that would make early 80s internet look fast from the surface with the largest commercially available ground stations on earth .
Caleb Wood
The orange tanks are detached when the shuttle is sub-orbital.
Isaac Ortiz
Bullshit, this thing has been in the news on every space website for years now. Everyone knows about it.
It's just an excuse because Roscosmos is broke as fuck. SpaceX is eating everyone's lunch, NASA is trying to get out of paying Russia to launch astronauts, and Congress is trying to get ULA out of buying rocket engines from Russia. The writing was on the wall for years but Russia was unable or didn't want to fix their shit.
Adrian Ross
Same goes for the SLS. Based on SpaceX's current track record though, I have full faith in the BFR going live, albeit with a few years' slippage compared to its current schedule.
Henry Morris
>Bullshit, this thing has been in the news on every space website for years now. Everyone knows about it.
Quite honestly, I have not heard about it and I regularly check nasaspaceflight.com and space.com etc.
John Cook
OP is unseccsfull troll trying to roleplay as "dumb Russian poster"
Levi Peterson
>unseccsfull
>28 replies
Christopher Edwards
nah, everyone knows about Lunar Orbital Platform - Gateway. Don't try to play some stupid mandella effect joke. The whole purpost of Orion and SLS program 3-4 years ago was to build this station around the Moon as a stepping stone to learn deep space operations to later get to Mars.