Welcome to the Earth To Mars General. This thread is dedicated to the discussion of creating a European Colony on Mars, not by direct funding, but through the commercial emigration scheme that will eventually come into play. This is real. This is going to happen. We need you to consider the choice.
The first Mars Colony is predicted to be established as early as 7 years from now. Very quickly the colony is going to expand, and it is becoming clear that will not be long until commercial emigration comes in to play. This means the first large influx of settlers over the next 50 years are going to be families who can afford the ticket. Only people who can afford to move there will be able to. lets face it - a strong European presence on Mars is the only way to truly secure our future. >Plan: /etm/ is a new general and a work in progress. feel free to contribute ideas. Essentially, once the colonisation effort becomes commercial, we need to move there.
/etm/ >inb4 space is fake kys >inb4 muh economics kys >inb4 STOP LARPING the short term goal of this general is to simply re-inspire each other on the subject of space exploration & colonisation. We hope to promote a new positive attitude towards life on Mars amongst those who value the future of the European peoples. ./The general will normally be posted once week.
>Remember why we fight. This is definitely not about abandoning the problems we have here on Earth, we believe that the European peoples are not only strong enough to overcome those problems, but are able to dedicate themselves on multiple fronts, Mars is that other front.
>also, I need to update the general a fair bit, but i've been busy lately - as always, the general continues to be a place on Jow Forums to talk about Mars and other space related topics.
>for anyone who wants a quick profile on Mars Equatorial Diameter: 6,792 km Polar Diameter: 6,752 km Mass: 6.42 x 10^23 kg (10.7% Earth) Moons: 2 (Phobos & Deimos) Orbit Distance: 227,943,824 km (1.52 AU) Orbit Period: 687 days (1.9 years) Surface Temperature: -153 to 20 °C First Record: 2nd millennium BC Recorded By: Egyptian astronomers
>There are signs of liquid water on Mars. For years Mars has been known to have water in the form of ice. The first signs of trickling water are dark stripes or stains on crater wall and cliffs seen in satellite images. Due to Mars’ atmosphere this water would have to be salty to prevent it from freezing or vaporizing.
a few interesting words in regards to business opportunities on Mars >Water Purification/Production Besides oxygen, of course, the only thing that will be more important on Mars than food will be clean drinking water. Scientists believe that there is water on Mars; however, they are not sure if it’s drinkable. Consequently, if there is water on Mars, someone will need to purify and make it suitable for consumption. If there is no water on Mars, then some really smart people will figure out a cost-effective way to produce H2O from hydrogen and oxygen. Either way, water will be big business on Mars. >Hospitality and Entertainment Nobody likes to eat or stay at home all the time, so there will be a need for entertainment, virtual reality centers, hotels, and restaurants of all kinds. If tourism to Mars ever becomes popular (and I think it will,) the need for hospitality and entertainment providers will be huge. As with all other things on Mars, eating out or taking a vacation will probably be expensive. Therefore, for those savvy chefs, hoteliers, and producers that get in on the ground floor, there will absolutely be plenty of money to be made in these industries. >Construction/Infrastructure Depending on the environmental concerns and requirements settlers face when they arrive on Mars, it’s hard to tell how construction and infrastructure will need to be approached. One this is certain, though, and that is people will need places to live and work as well as other necessities such as bridges, walkways, and streets (or something similar to streets.)
In the beginning, governments or authorities may handle initial construction projects. Still, I don’t think it will be long thereafter that the private sector will be doing most of the building. Building homes, condos and whatever else on Mars will be expensive and possibly dangerous. Therefore, expect contractors — big and small — to earn good livings in this field.
>another cut from a different article there are many potential near-term business opportunities connected with human missions to Mars with significant potential markets for the associated technologies and capabilities required for creating a sustainable human presence on the surface of Mars. These include innovations in life support, agriculture, radiation shielding, energy, on-site resource utilization (aka living off the land), filtration, and many other necessary technologies and capabilities. Many of these technologies would not require the massive level of investment for development that large mission elements like heavy-lift rockets, crew vehicles, propulsion, and habitats require. With the proper stimulus and the necessary entrepreneurial innovators, these technologies could be developed in a competitive manner, and they also likely will have application to improving life on Earth and therefore also have a significant market on Earth—thus making them particularly attractive to entrepreneurs, small businesses, and others.
>more Whether humans reach Mars through a government effort, a commercial model, or a combination of the two, there are remarkable opportunities that will accompany that journey. These opportunities are not only for discovery but also for innovators, entrepreneurs, and others to create new or better products that contribute to the sustainability of humans on Mars and also benefit people on the planet Earth.
>more While cosmonauts and astronauts are learning valuable spacefaring skills on the International Space Station — and the U.S. is using virtual reality to train scientists — the majority of work to prepare for interplanetary expeditions is being done on Earth...and where best to field-test equipment and people for the journey to Mars but on some of the planet's most forbidding spots. Seen from space, the Dhofar Desert is a flat, brown expanse. Few animals or plants survive in the desert expanses of the Arabian Peninsula, where temperatures can top 125 degrees Fahrenheit, or 51 degrees Celsius. On the eastern edge of a seemingly endless dune is the Oman Mars Base: a giant 2.4-ton inflated habitat surrounded by shipping containers turned into labs and crew quarters. There are no airlocks. The desert's surface resembles Mars so much, it's hard to tell the difference, the types of geomorphology, all the structures, the salt domes, the riverbeds, the wadis, it parallels a lot of what we see on Mars.
Scientists from across the world sent ideas for experiments such as testing a new spacesuit called Aouda, the cutting-edge spacesuit, weighing about 50 kilograms (110 pounds), is called a "personal spaceship" because one can breathe, eat and do hard science inside it. The suit's visor displays maps, communications and sensor data. A blue piece of foam in front of the chin can be used to wipe your nose and mouth. >Something to consider, for your or your children's future there will be a huge demand for engineers, medical experts, management "officers" and any sort of cross between those and other fields. So people with that kind of background could secure themselves a bright future on Mars.
>interesting read French 3D-printing company Fabulous has brought together a team of scientists and architects to imagine a bubble-shaped habitat for Mars that can be printed on the red planet.The Sfero house features an internal and external dome, with a protective pocket of water between the two. A single corridor rests on the planet's surface and allows access to the interior, which would have an upper and lower level linked by a spiral staircase.The house would start off as a central drilling rod that burrows several metres into the planet's soil to extend two robotic arms, which would harvest materials to be used for 3D-printing the habitat's internal and external dome-shaped shells.The spherical shape has been designed to offer high resistance to Mars' low atmospheric density.The design aims to use the red planet's abundance of iron oxide – discovered in dust samples and rocks brought back by NASA's Pathfinder rovers – which would form the raw material for 3D printing. The powdered iron particles would then be fused together by laser, and the levels of the habitat printed layer by layer. The arms would also seek out permafrost – soil that has been at or below freezing for at least two years – to be melted and used as a 30-centimetre-wide water pocket in between the two shells to protect against solar radiation. Fabulous founder Arnault Coulet believes the water layer could be a "permanent psychological reminder of the main element of the mother planet – water constituting a sort of protective amniotic fluid for humans."
>Isaac Arthur Very comfy channel. His new video on colonizing Neptune is great
Isaac Campbell
Long-term biological human space travel beyond Earth orbit is a delusional fantasy. Without very special technological assistance (think brain implants), man can not venture too far away from the Earth-Human system noosphere and corpus of biosemiotic meaning.
>You literally lose your mind in outer space.
Governments cover this up. This is why there has been no human spaceflight progress for decades, this is why breakaway civilization secret space program uses disposable slave crews.
Carson Reyes
>You literally lose your mind in outer space.
We LITERALLY have people living in space right now who are totally fine (they can look out a window and see earth). It would not take too much to remedy the psychological effects of space travel.
The primary goal of the first ships (after establishing base) is to build the propellent factories. I'm pretty sure SpaceX/ NASA have this figured out
Ethan Evans
Yes because they are still in Earth orbit, I was referring to deep space travel.
Luis Watson
propellant* thanks.
>Musk shared his plans for fuel generation at the International Astronautical Congress in Guadalajara, Mexico. According to Musk, humans on Mars would use an upgraded form of propellant that can be produced using materials endemic to the red planet. It could slash the costs of traveling to Mars and make it more sustainable for humanity to one day colonize the planet and beyond.
David Taylor
>I'm pretty sure SpaceX/ NASA have this figured out >living on hopes and dreams
Dylan Russell
>Colony on Mars
A colony implies babies. Tell me how babies can be healthy in a 0.38g environment. It’s just impossible.
Dylan White
It's not clear how problematic fetal/baby growth will be on Mars. Until we can run experiments on small mammals we just don't know.
citation require even if thats true we can start on a rotating space station for women to brood in like salmon going up stream to have babies only for the babies to grow up and go to the ocean eventually to repeat the process if you go to Mars with your wife and she is require to use other mens sperm samples for genetic diversity of Martians are you a cuck?
Grayson Ross
We already have the tech to colonize the moon. Let’s do that before Mars.
Ian Scott
Im suprised Trump still hasn't announced plans for the moon base. its really only a matter of time
Nicholas Ross
Bump. I was in the thread that got stickied a few days ago
so you leave because you can not afront the problems on earth, you are cowards to tell nigger to a nigger in their face, they are weak to clean Africa with a pandemic
you will also fail on Mars, because later an alien will come who wants to fuck them with their multiculturalism
he's going to fuck his women again
I begin to believe that you really are cowards
Do you think that a weak coward like you deserves to live in other worlds? NA
You are unfortunately late in your calendar. And they have no minimally sound plan. I've heard of a handful of Austrians doing simulations in the Oman Desert. That's all.
Meanwhile... >pic related
I sense that you will have to piggyback on Elon Musk.
Have you stopped ten seconds to think about the jurisdiction that will prevail? Or the colony will be the first condominium of the European Union? >Flag Uhhhhhhh...
Unlike zero G, there isn't much to indicate that pregnancy and growth in 0.38g would have large disadvantages. The largest one would be a slightly less strong bone structure - though far less pronounced than the results of zero G - and those effects can effectively be mitigated with exercise and, for a trip back to Earth, adaptation.
Also, if you are colonizing Mars with little desire to go back to Earth, there isn't much indication the lower gravity would be detrimental.
Grayson Hughes
sweet. Did you post in the thread that got stickied a few days ago ? that was pretty funny
Yeah, I was saying until we experiment on smaller mammals we wont know. I would imagine pregnancy and growth in zero g would be pretty dangerous though... but Martian gravity will hopefully be fine.
Justin Garcia
If it was right around the time of the announcement I think I didn't, I didn't stay up that late and I woke up late. Did post in a later thread though
Yeah, experimentation is the only way to do so. Even then, I'm fairly certain that there isn't much that would be detrimental. People got a bad taste from the health issues that can develop in zero-G, but that's not exactly analogous.
Martial music for Martian men eh?
Jordan Kelly
>Triarii
Im a big fan.
Levi Cooper
I propose an extensive underground tunnel system as the primary habitat on Mars. Most of these mockups for a surface colony seem completely unrealistic with delicate looking domes and all this silly shit.
I'd assume the only way to colonize it is underground. Between the catastrophic dust storms and space radiation, all planning should be oriented towards underground structures.
I would also suggest a rotating space station that simulates Earth gravity. This may be needed for human health or reproduction.
As far as the astropolitical ramifications of a two-planet race... that's a big question...
First, I would guess that governing structures here on Earth become less democratic. This is because the Mars colony will be run in a hierarchical military system. Everyone has a role. This model may be then used by more Earth governments because it is seen as elite, and will prove to work surprisingly well. It will be a scientific-military system where, essentially, the most intelligent rule.
As Mars and more worlds are colonized, there is the possibility of "world peace" between nations, mainly because the interest of great powers will be finding ways to exploit off-world resources.
>white man escapes to Mars Do you think (((they))) will leave you be there? They will probably send interplanetary nukes or some biological weapon to Mars in order to prevent the danger of white man returning to Earth and reclaiming the planet.
Justin Powell
I think this needs to be addressed
>delicate-looking domes Honestly this is an issue for me too, but these don't have to be delicate by necessity, and they can serve a purpose. Having an outdoors-like environment is healthy, and the area could be sealed off in case of depressurization. You also have to consider what the dome has to resist - mostly air pressure, since earthquakes don't happen on Mars (not geologically active), and most weather is benign
>catastrophic dust storms The destructive capability of dust storms on Mars is overrated. The significant issue they pose is in interrupting solar power production, but even then there are several ways to mitigate that (alternate power sources, power storage e.g. in methane and oxygen gas, or colonizing the top of volcanoes - the latter is a personal favorite of mine, though it has both advantages and drawbacks)
>underground structures
They're not needed. Radiation protection doesn't require as much dirt above your head as you imply, and you can make bricks out of Martian soil. The limitation in construction imposed by pure underground building mean that it's probably rather a better idea to use tunnels and the like for methane storage, for example.
>Space station that simulates Earth Gravity Space stations have a whole lot of usefulness, the one you propose is probably not needed.
>World peace You mean the jews gayin the Earth hard? Would be fairly disastrous. At the very least this is why even on Mars we would have to find ways to help the white man on Earth. One fun idea would be a Radio Free Europe equivalent, but not run by kikes. Just constantly emitting redpills over the air for anyone with a radio to receive it. There are other ways to help the cause back on Earth from Mars, but they require increasing development of the Mars colony in the first place. I'll stop before I break into some real autistic ideas though :^)
Caleb Richardson
>I'd assume the only way to colonize it is underground. Between the catastrophic dust storms and space radiation, all planning should be oriented towards underground structures. >Most of these mockups for a surface colony seem completely unrealistic with delicate looking domes and all this silly shit.
I would not be surprised if the concept art showing surface colonies is just what will house the first waves of settlers whilst the tunnels are being built. I think you're right though, it's just that tunnels take time to build and of course nobody wants to live primarily underground, so the priority is establishing surface bases first.
>astropolitical ramifications This is where it gets even more interesting. Who knows what the future holds... maybe some colonies will want complete independence.. it's something we can see depicted happening in pop culture sci-fi already
Connor Brown
>Who knows what the future holds... maybe some colonies will want complete independence One of my fav stories "Earthlight" by A. C. Clarke tells about exactly this. There is not enough hard science fiction these days.
I keep on seeing clips of it on here and youtube but still haven't watched a single episode. It doesn't look too bad
Easton Adams
It's quite good. First two seasons are free on Amazon prime if you have that. Third season will be added there eventually I'm sure, Amazon recently picked up the show for a 4th season after SyFy cancelled it.
