>Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, which Trump won in 2016 by a total of less than 80,000 votes to put him over the top in the Electoral College count, are looking less like Trump country this year, as Republicans trail Democratic opponents.
>The shift illustrates the year’s challenging political landscape for Republicans. Even with a booming economy and record stock market — typically benchmarks of presidential success — the party’s chances of keeping control of the U.S. House have dropped in recent weeks. Trump’s vulnerabilities even threaten the party’s prospects of holding the U.S. Senate, long considered thought safe from Democratic takeover this year.
What kind of actual fucking retards live in these states? It's hard to believe the entire future of our nation is dependent on a bunch undecided yankee morons who can't fucking make up their minds. Trump gave them the best economy in decades and they can't go out to vote? These diabetic fat fucks from michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin need to be put to the sword.
I vote for Trump and republicans, but I also hate most republicans because they are spineless coward rhinos who still support open immigration.
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Joshua Butler
didn't these very same polls point a clinton victory in these states?
Chase Myers
Hillary has a 98% chance to win right until 8pm on election night
Jackson Williams
yes these are "public opinion shaping" polls. They are supposed to give liberals hope and kill conservative dreams. It sometimes works but also can backfire pretty bad and makes some people get off the couch when it was supposed to depress them and vice versa.
Luis Perez
Do these people still not understand that the rules have changed?
We need more populism. The traditional GOP with its "tax cuts for every billionaire" platform never played well in the Upper Midwest for a range of social and cultural reasons (it's completely offensive to traditions like Dutch Calvinism in Michigan, for example), but Trump has a chance to take the GOP in a new direction. More populism, more nationalism. That's the winning recipe.
Henry Cruz
at the very least you should vote libertarian or independent. if you dont vote republican you are just handing the country to democrats because you are so "principled" that you can't vote for the lesser of two evils
Austin Sullivan
>Trump gave them the best economy in decades Actually I think you'll find that was Obama.
Where's Obamaleaf when you need him?
Brandon Wright
Obama blamed his predecessor for the bad economy during his term and now claims all credit for the prosperity of his successor. He's a joke and history will remember him as such. This is as friendly as history will ever look at him
The economy we are experiencing right now is directly due to the tax cuts. Businesses invested majorly in this country because we gave them the incentive to.
Gabriel Miller
James, yuo are man now, and yuo must decide:
Will yuo choose... >white genocide under communists >or white genocide with low taxes
Holy shit, republicans with their revisionist history
Connor Perry
if you stay home waiting for the perfect candidate, who agrees with you 100% on every issue, you will never fucking vote, and hand this country to the left, who accomplish their agenda slowly over time
you vote for whichever candidate is closest to your views. when the left keeps losing, they will change their platform to be more moderate. that's how you win. doing nothing just lets them get away with more progressive shit.
Nathaniel Nguyen
Supporting Trump =/= Supporting the GOP
Keep in mind that the GOP itself is divided in how much loyalty they feel to President Trump.
Jaxson Hernandez
Michigan user here. Our state is governed in an alternating pattern of D and R. D is going to win because like half of her campaign is about fixing the roads. Our roads suck. Our current governor also took (unjustly) a lot of blame for the Flint water debacle and hits term limit. The Democrat that is going to win our state is a moderate and establishment pick. That's ultimately the bottom line for who wins here.
Leo Gonzalez
>The economy we are experiencing right now is directly due to the tax cuts. Businesses invested majorly in this country because we gave them the incentive to.
Tax cuts and government spending.
Both of which are FALSE growth. Same with how tariff initially drive up sales as people try to do all their buying before the penalties kick in.
I'll give trump one thing. He has truly mastered the business tactic of spiking profitability in the short term to make himself look good.
Obama did similar things to pull us out of the Recession and everyone rightfully pointed out that it was not sustainable. Now we have doubled down.
Alexander Green
The GOP IS the left, just delayed by a few years. >voting accomplishes anything lel
Alexander Ortiz
>When SJWs see a sub-culture where white men are having fun
fair enough, but the money businesses have invested here due to the tax code being rewritten is real, long term growth that is good for the economy.
there will be a big correction soon but Trump has ensured that the world's biggest businesses have a stake in America, and not our competitors.
Isaac Hall
Wait, so if we're listening to Obama, then Bush is the reason Obama's economy went up, since Obama's logic is that he is the reason Trump's economy is booming.
Levi Smith
if voting didn't accomplish anything they wouldn't spend so much money and political capital making it easier for illegals to vote
Samuel Hernandez
>fair enough, but the money businesses have invested here due to the tax code being rewritten is real, long term growth that is good for the economy.
No its not. Its causing people to invest into things that WERE NOT PROFITABLE before the tax cut. So When we eventually raise taxes again, suddenly all that growth is gone AND we lost the future growth we could have gotten from if people had invested their money properly.
Actually, Clinton's deregulation and Bush's war led to the massive financial crisis that Obama inherited.
Jayden Harris
You have a fundamental misunderstanding what Republicans are. Most Republicans are in their older years. This is just a reality of the landscape, even now after the memewar.
There was a piece during the election that was widely circulated in Conservative media, that basically explained to older Conservatives that Trump was not crazy. They said that he was simply acting the way he does for the campaign trail to antagonist the left into making mistakes and having a sense of complacency.
The issue Republicans are running into now is that those older Conservatives are realizing that it was not just for the campaign trail, its just his style of governance, and that style of governance is something that they believe is unstable and dangerous. So when they see the new trade war tariffs and US businesses being impacted by it, they start to worry. Or when they see the Russia investigation going on and on and on, more and more convictions piling up, more evidence of Russian agents meeting with Trump and his associates, they start to worry. The Russia thing is especially important because these older Republicans grew up in and around the Cold War, and have childhood red scare propaganda instilled deeply in their minds. The longer the investigation goes on, the more and more they doubt Trump is as squeaky clean as he claims he is regards the matter.
There are a couple of other hinge issue for these older generations as well. When they see outward nationalism and calls for ethno states and such coming from right wing media, it also erodes their faith in the party. It may not even be media they watch, but when the Unite the Right rally happened, and Fox news or whatever mainstream channel they watch is trying to soften them, it clicks in their heads that is the direction the party is going.
idk dude im not the brightest crayon in the box, but i have spent a lot of time around older generations as i work at a retirement home, and this is what i have observed
Elijah Kelly
>promise to lower taxes >stocks shoot up Imagine that.
Jack Russell
>Its causing people to invest into things that WERE NOT PROFITABLE before the tax cut.
Are you really this stupid? If something wasn't profitable before the tax cut, it's because Uncle Sam was taking a big fucking bite out of it. Get rid of the taxes on businesses, and surprise surprise, businesses create more jobs.
>So When we eventually raise taxes again, why would we?
>suddenly all that growth is gone AND we lost the future growth we could have gotten from if people had invested their money properly.
No its not. The growth never would have happened AT ALL without the tax cuts. That's millions of people employed, spending and saving money they wouldn't have ever had to begin with. That doesn't disappear just because democrats decide to raise taxes again one day.
this graph is meaningless without more context. i can't even tell what im supposed to be looking at.
Jace Kelly
Most republican representatives are shitters that would rather shill for open borders and big business than the people
Aiden Jenkins
Well a retirement home is definitely the oldest of the old, and they are definitely solid republicans, by and large.
But they are not representative of the entire republican party. I would worry more about what the 45-70 crowd thinks about Trump.
These people watch Fox News. They understand that the "Russia investigation" is nothing but a democratic witch hunt with no substance. They see Trump appointing solid SCOTUS picks, the whole reason they voted for him in the first place, and they know he is the real deal when push comes to shove. He got tax cuts passed when the Congress got their shit together for once. And they know that Trump is not a racist Nazi no matter how many times the media tries to tell them otherwise.
Xavier Cooper
Hmm, let me try again.
Ignore the graph.
There is a theoretical "correct" tax rate depends on your size of government. Smaller government, lower tax rate. Very simple.
Unfortunately, there is also a minimum government size based on a bunch of specific factors of your country. The USA had a weird tax code where we have very low individual tax. WAY LOWER than should be possible, but to counter this we had a crazy fucking high corporate tax.
Combined these two taxes put us right about in the acceptable range. Raise them a little lower them a little, vary the size of your government a little. All good as long as you dont go crazy your just trading a little tax inefficency for things like a tiny bit more growth or a tiny bit more welfare.
Trump lowered both these taxes AND raised spending/borrowing.
Mathematically we cannot sustain this level of taxes. Even at the minimum government size, this is unsustainable.
We are going to be literally forced to raise taxes eventually, and Higher than normal in the future to pay back what we are borrowing today.
>is nothing but a democratic witch hunt with no substance. Oh come now user. You may fool the newfriends with that talk but some of us actually pay attention to what happens in the world. How many convictions is it up to now? 23 or some shit?
Cameron Cook
I buy the idea that because of our increased spending, we will have to raise taxes again one day. The answer to this is to decrease spending, not raise taxes to pay for it. We spend far too much on entitlements.
Consider, though, that every country in the world is in a competition for corporate investment. Companies have money that they will spend wherever it makes the most business sense for them to do so. Amazon can invest 50$ billion in America or China, and the jobs that go along with it.
Slashing our corporate tax rate right now created a huge incentive for companies to invest in America. Like it or not, they are bound to our country and have a stake in it's well being.
Yes, lowering the corporate tax rate is a fast and easy way to create short term growth. But that "rocket fuel" only works because it was too high to begin with. If we decide to raise taxes again, it will slow growth down again and cause us to lose jobs that exist because of the tax cuts.
And by the way, taxes on the business are just passed to the employee. When you tax corporate profits at 35%, the CEO isn't taking a pay cut. The company just hires less rank and file employees and cuts benefits.
Easton Cooper
No, they convicted manafort, flynn, and papadopalous on small-ball crimes that have nothing to do with russian collusion during the campaign. Manafort is getting caught for shady shit he did with his money, nothing to do with Russian influence on the election. The idea was they would make him squeal about Trump (or at least make something up) in exchange for a plea on totally unrelated crimes. It didn't work because it didn't fucking happen.
Flynn got caught for lying to the FBI about some picadillo matter, something hillary clinton and many political actors do without repercussion all the time, but for some reason he gets a slap on the wrist because it hurts trump.
Then they INDICTED, not convicted, a bunch of russians who may or may not even exist, for posting memes on facebook during election season aimed at convincing boomers that hillary is a reptile.
None of this has anything to do with Russian collusion. Now they are talking about "obstruction of justice" but it's been a long fucking time since anyone's mentioned Russia helping Trump win the election with Trump's knowledge. It's a fucking hoax and everyone knows it
Ryan White
>How many convictions You mean indictments?
Aaron Cooper
We can't fucking decrease spending that much.
It's literally not possible. 45 million people in this country are retired. over 70% of them receive all income from the government. 90% receive almost all income.
Medicare and Medicaid pay for 80% of the entire elderly medicine industry. That means 8 out of 10 old people in a retirement home is there because the government pays 100% of the cost for their medical bills.
Add in other things like Disability, and basic services like education, not to mention the insane amount of adminstration costs it takes to run a 300million population country.
These expenses make up the vast majority of our "entitlements". You cannot simply put millions of half sentient old people on the streets. Nor can you transfer these costs to their children.
Liberals and Republicans fight over the 10% of the budget that's not tied up in these programs.
We literally cannot cut these programs.
As for your competitive tax rate idea, sure. We are creating an incentive to invest here, but its not because taxes were too high. Taxes are the fees we charge to have access to our resources. Our college-educated workforce. Our uncorrupt business-friendly legal system. Our lack of a dictator to seize your factory. Our god damn military to protect your cargo ships. The USA is number 1 in many of those categories. But that shit ain't free. We have to pay for all of it somehow. TAXES WERE TOO LOW. Everyone was calling Obama out for keeping the tax rate low in order to improve the recovery. Putting us into greater debt to get out of the recession.
We are out now. But we're still lowering taxes?
When times are good you are supposed to save, so you have money in the bad times. Not run up the credit card like the good times will last forever.
Charles Wood
It seems like your view on this is really slanted mate. They don't indict fictitious entities for one. Also, it is confirmed by multiple foreign and domestic intelligence agencies that Russians initially tried to slant the primaries towards Trump and Sanders favor, but when that didn't happen shifted their focus to favoring Trump. Theories on their motivations vary, but the most believable to me is that they wanted far right or left candidates to win as to foment unrest in the US populace.
Your view of Flynn lying to the FBI as a "peccadillo matter" demonstrates that you are deliberately ignoring reality in this situation. The lie was about his contact with the Russian ambassador, not some tax bullshit oversight.
Liam Brooks
>believing the kike polls and not Jow Forums
You aren't even trying user
Camden Young
You're right, but you couldn't beat that argument through the thick skulls of Trumptards with a pile driver user.
Jonathan Clark
>The results are totally changing guys >Even though Trump's policy is completely re-innovating the economy of the states in question.
Jackson Cook
>Your view of Flynn lying to the FBI as a "peccadillo matter" demonstrates that you are deliberately ignoring reality in this situation. The lie was about his contact with the Russian ambassador, not some tax bullshit oversight.
His contact with the Russian ambassador was not a big deal at all, it's routine for incoming administration officials to talk to foreign diplomats before the President is sworn-in. Flynn fucked up by lying about it, he probably thought, or was told, that they could kill this Russia investigation nonsense early, and admitting to meeting with the ambassador would create a story for a week that would drag it on. He shouldn't have lied about it but that doesn't change the fact that it is a bullshit perjury charge that exists only so idiots like you can prattle on about "convictions" in the russia investigation.
>They don't indict fictitious entities for one. they can't prove they even exist, or that their names are even real.
>Also, it is confirmed by multiple foreign and domestic intelligence agencies that Russians initially tried to slant the primaries towards Trump and Sanders favor, but when that didn't happen shifted their focus to favoring Trump.
so what? Russia favors a candidate to win the election. That happens in literally every fucking election we've ever had. When you say "try to slant the primaries" it's nothing more sinister than a social media campaign, or in the worst case scenario, they hacked the DNC and committed the grave crime of giving americans more transparency in the political process. Democrats did more to undermine our democracy than Russia anyways, Sanders would have won the nomination had the DNC not handpicked Clinton.
gee, how did people ever exist before government sponsored medicare and social security?? These institutions have been around since God created them in the Garden of Eden, we can't possibly live without them!
If we must have entitlements, they should only be for elderly people with no family or means to support themselves. It should only pay for basic needs to survive. That means a roof over your head and food.
Is that tough? yes it is. Life is tough. You are not born with any guarantees. In the wild, if you live to be 80 years old you don't survive unless you have family to take care of you. The solution to entitlement spending is not to tax our entire country to death to pay for never ending medical bills for people we've never met. The solution is for people to have and take care of their families. If you don't have a family, you need to work to take care of yourself. You live in the wealthiest country in the world with the most opportunity in the world; everyone lucky enough to be here can live and save and plan for retirement AND MANY DO SO SUCCESSFULLY. This is not impossible; it's just responsible.
We need to kick boomers off social security. The meal ticket has to stop with someone, you can bitch all you want about "we cannot cut these programs" but we don't even have a choice, it's literally impossible to pay for these things. It's more humane and more responsible to end it sooner rather than later.
>Our college-educated workforce. Our uncorrupt business-friendly legal system. Our lack of a dictator to seize your factory. Our god damn military to protect your cargo ships. The USA is number 1 in many of those categories. But that shit ain't free. We have to pay for all of it somehow.
Aside from the military, spending for which the democrats are obsessed with lowering, these things do not cost us much. Unless you want to start giving everyone free college too
Jacob Russell
The times are only good because of the tax cuts, holy shit you write a metric fuckton to expose what a dumb faggot you are
Asher Phillips
>I am a child with no understanding of politics: the post. Coming now to a website near you.
No, RETARD. Why don't people get this? The fucking tax cuts had nothing to do with it. The economy recovered because people BELIEVED that it should do so. Everyone watched as Trump (decades-long businessman) got into office talking about revitalizing the entire country, and turning things around, and they put their faith and energy into him. When he won, they believed that things were good, and because people believed that things were good, they did the investing/buying/selling/hiring that they otherwise wouldn't have.
The fucking tax cuts only helped in that it tied in with the spirit of "MAGA". Trump could just as easily have done a tax INCREASE for infrastructure, or what have you, tied that to "MAGA", and it would have been the same if the base ate it up.
Parker Robinson
If voting accomplished anything, they wouldn't let us do it.
Oliver Sullivan
>voting for the ((((libertarian party))))) He hates RINOs, why would he vote for outright open-borders commies under a different name?
Despite constant never ending fear mongering coverage of every possible aspect of the country.
Matthew Morales
who do you vote for then, faggots? do you vote at all? just face it, you are just too fucking lazy to get your bloated yankee ass off the couch to vote, or form an educated opinion on anything
James Lopez
you are honestly the dumbest person in this entire thread, even more than the australians, which is saying something
Zachary Green
>Where's Obamaleaf when you need him to argue complete bullshit for you?
Nathan Miller
>consumer confidence means nothing Great argument.
I generally vote straight ticket. I always vote in the primary to get the less moderate republican. In one of the Pauline epistles is written "Do not quench the spirit". In 2016 a wave of enthusiasm hit PA and the midwest. A lot of Republicans like that douchebag McCain and that "owlish nitwit" George Will have done nothing but dump water on a fire that needs gasoline.
I mean, you do know why it's called the "rust belt" right? It's a collection of city and towns in the Midwest that used to be booming steel towns before all the work got sent to China and Mexico. It took awhile, but I'd argue that over the last two years industrial manufacturing has been riding real high in the so called rust belt. It's gunna be tough for those factory workers and engineers to deny to upside of having Trump in office. Democrats don't give a fuck about this.
Thomas Sanders
Republicans need to make sure they can take Ohio, Florida and PA in 2020. Wisconsin and Michigan will go blue. Democrat strategy will be smarter than 2016. Trump has to fight hard because the (((media))) won't give his rallies any airtime this time around.
Elijah Garcia
There's also the fact that we're never getting rid of Casey. That faggot will ride his father's name until the day he dies and idiots are too stupid to NOT vote for him. And he killed Tom Smith, so just remember to keep that in mind.
Tom Wolf is so fucking dead, though.
William Ramirez
>Both of which are FALSE growth
Obama printing money to solve everything isn't, but that is? The energy industry is growing because the people in power aren't standing on its nuts.
