>The Burden of Proof for Kavanaugh (author Ross Douthat)
>Even if Kavanaugh is innocent of the charge of a teenage sexual assault, I argued, to give such prominence and power to a man credibly accused would both leave an unnecessary taint on his future rulings [...]
>And so the potentially deep injustice to Kavanaugh still doesn’t seem like enough of a reason to let him ascend if he cannot clear his name.
>That is the charity that Kavanaugh deserves, given the burden of proof being laid upon him. If his accuser testifies credibly and all he has to offer are vehement denials, followed by a rushed Republican attempt at confirmation, then he may be innocent but his nomination will deserve to fail.
How are we ever going to live in a consistent and judicially deterministic society after this? I guess the genie was already out of the bottle in some ways, but this retarded shit would make Aristotle do a Socrates, with pleasure.
I saw this article too and it clearly demonstrates why the new york times is a pile of shit
The same rational and ethical standards should be applied to a case like this, even if it's public opinion instead of a court of law.
If there is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt (which I'm not saying we won't get after she speaks, although I doubt it based off what I've read so far) then there is not a reason to think he is guilty, and therefore he should be confirmed if her testimony doesn't provide facts beyond he said she said
Democracy is unfortunately mob rule though, so who fucking knows
Luke Hall
>the burden of proof is on the accused Hey maggot, you raped me like 35 years ago, where is my money?
Jeremiah Jones
My post is clearly advocating being objective and confirming him unless she can produce another credible witness or some other fact that would otherwise convince a jury.
Some person making a claim with no evidence or corroborating witnesses is clearly not enough.
Leo Baker
Fucking thanks, a person who actually seems to care. This fucking board has 95% retarded threads nowadays. Everybody: kys.
Sweden is fucked beyond saving, but at least our politicians have the decency to not broadcast EVERYTHING retarded they say.
I watched the abhorrent 30+ hours of open hearings; why the fuck do not people revolt? The paid protestors, the dem senators, the media,... Wtf. I watched the Gorsuch hearings too, they were not nearly as bad, but bad still.
William Gray
When is she going to testify?
Owen Richardson
Loss of faith in the rule of law is the signal of a collapsing empire. This is a huge problem today, with the megacorporations believing that their TOS agreements matter more than law, and the #metoo bullshit where there is no longer even a need for evidence. The fact that Blassey's Jewish lawyer wanted Kavanaugh to testify before she even laid out the accusation against him, and seriously expected such a thing to be granted, shows you how close to the end we are.
Charles Perez
This analogy doesn't immediately translate to Kavanaugh. They state that the outcome is "merely" denying him, not actually taking anything from him.
Luke Flores
You conservatards are retarded beyond belief, you don't NEED evidence to actually charge someone with a crime, the disturbance he causes on the community is enough. Don't you people know Guam floats? Here, let the nice senator educate you youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q
Isaac Hughes
He's joking. Right?
Luke Evans
The people don't revolt because the masses are immoral and support immoral systems. They also enjoy a decent standard of living and are afraid to lose what they have.
I really don't care about people protesting, nor do I have any logical reason to believe or disbelief Ford.
So far as I can tell the only person I think who has factually done a wrong in this process is the Senator from California who sat on this letter for months.
Maybe if Republicans weren't bible thumping war mongers I'd care more about them, but they aren't. Gorsuch is a better justice than Kavanaugh would ever be.
I'm certainly not going to revolt because the democrats and republicans are shits to each other when the other one is in power. If I do ever revolt it will be for a much more fundamental reason.
Henry Gomez
How do you even prove your own innocence even if you didn’t understand he idea of the burden of proof being on the accuser?
The “victim” has no place he can prove he was not at.
“The “victim” can’t name a time of day, a day of the week, a month, or even a year the event occurred....how is he supposed to prove he wasn’t there?
How would proving innocence in this even work? Jesus Christ this is fucking insanity.
Elijah Hernandez
Feinstein is such a fucking... I started to "like" her during the hearings, even knowing about her retarded anti-2A things. Then this shit dropped.
Why haven't people talked about the paid protestors more? Even an untrained eye could see that they were "acting". It must be the cheapest propaganda shit in the world, since even the swedish regime media uses it as proof of grassroots opposing Kavanaugh.
Blake Gonzalez
Probably because everyone constantly thinks the other side is using paid protesters or that their numbers are always exaggerated.
The US thinks the other side is a conspiracy theory already, so no one needs to say it anymore.
You should probably leave Sweden. Some states here are still decent.
Nathan Lopez
You can't just "move" to USA. You are more open to Mexicans than honest people.
are you fucking retarded. if they wind up taking this lying fucking bitches side, his career is done. he will never work again. his wife will probably end up leaving him and he'll be found in a ratshit apartment dead from swallowing a bullet. meanwhile this lying whore will wind up a millionaire from go-fund-mes and interviews and especially when her "tell-all" book comes out and the liberal fucking morons buy it up.
Adrian Parker
>credibly accused >No proof >Every witness named has backed Kavanaugh >Ford has changed her story >Ford had to be goaded into testifying under oath
Fuck don't let this slide into a whitenesd shit thread
David Allen
>Women >Ever
ahaha, no my friend. My Husband is a deplorable and I'm a libertarian. Women are for morons.
Hunter Long
Damn can we turn the brightness down on this projector? Think it's borked
Gabriel Gutierrez
This case is the Dreyfus affair of today
Benjamin Hughes
This kind of shit only pushes people further right, your system is such an offensive joke that I hope this happens more and more until you fat fucks realise you can't vote your way out of this and that your enemies don't give a fuck about the rules either.
Blake Baker
A lot of people won't bother to examine the case in any factual manner and will move left because they just hate the president and think all GOP are as shady as he is
Jack Long
look up anita hill's debacle with Clarence Thomas in 1992, this isn't the first time this has happened. NYT is just salty
Kevin Kelly
It increases the divide, not the number of people on the right.
Anyone who hates the president is already left. I don't know any conservatives who are back pedaling, but I know dems who have changed sides. They have much more to lose here.
Jaxson King
Heard those names. Will do.
Hudson Harris
>he can't even irony it wasn't even good irony. really obvious, in fact
Thomas Smith
>nytimes opinion piece
Yeah okay.
John Anderson
i hate cuckservatives lads
Blake King
This shit gets reported as expert reporting in Sweden
Hunter Cruz
>If someone makes accusations without a single bit of proof and even if you are innocent it is your responsibility to prove the allegations to be false That a system wide open to exploitation.
Democrats are objectible the dumbest mother fuckers on the planet.
Where did the they are sooo educated meme come from?
Landon Price
>Where did the they are sooo educated meme come from? Who do you hear promoting that meme? Think about it.
Ian Powell
Symptom that they're beyond help. This hasn't been about changing anyone's opinions for a long while. You need to have strong convictions to support Right in these times. This shit just affirms Right and only instills doubt on whenever they should believe in democracy or take matters into their own hands.
Chase Walker
I don't think there are enough people with convictions to outnumber the left
Lincoln Ramirez
just want to thank OP and others outside the U.S. for their interest in the proceedings. Unlike a lot of other government happenings the supreme court nominations are actually very important. With that said the way that these political developments have been unfolding are downright stupid and i think it has been pissing a lot of people off, myself included. I can barely bring myself to follow it all because it's just so aggravating to hear the mindless harpies constantly interrupting the nomination process, the incredible accusations that still manage to shit up an honest guy's reputation is the final shit in the pudding. I just hope Kavanaugh makes it through and realizes that he needs to be a hardcore justice once he gets in.
Logan Jenkins
>credibly accused There's the Journolist phrase.
Hunter Rogers
>unless she can produce another credible witness She has said there were 5 people at the party. - Christine Blasey Ford: thinks something happened to her, done by Brett Kavanaugh, while Mark Judge watched - Brett Kavanaugh: Denies being at the party. Denies doing anything to Christine. - Mark Judge: Denies Brett ever did anything to her - Patrick Smyth: Denies the event ever happened - Leland Keyser: Acknowledges being a "good friend" of Christine Blasey Ford's during and after high school. Says she has never met Brett Kavanaugh.
Where is this 6th person going to come from? They better have some pretty damning PHYSICAL evidence.
Joseph Johnson
They are realising they have made a huge mistake by making a vengeful partisan out of Kavanaugh?
The GOP doesn't want him as president. Did none of you bootlickers watch the primaries? I mean besides funny meme compilation videos
Ian Ward
I really don't believe anything I read on Jow Forums, but we'll see if she produces another persona as well as whether the GOP points out an inconsistency if that person isn't numerically factual with the initial claims.
He won the GOP primary so by definition the GOP wanted him
Innocent before proven guilty not the other way around
Gabriel Foster
I hate this entire outfit so much, how much security do they have around their premises?
Colton Baker
>14,880 views
Asher Gray
>Doesn't remember how the RNC tried to force the primaries into a contested convention where Ryan/Romney/Cruz would've been eligible for vote from within the RNC
Of course all you right wingers would ignore that. Doesn't fit the narrative that anything with an (R) by its name is a good guy who will rescue you from the basement
Ethan Price
Unless you are mean old conservative and then you are guilty until you can prove your innocence.
>This woman said you harmed her 30+ years ago now prove you are innocent!!!
Alexander Young
If she produces a 6th person, it would look awfully suspicious... given that she told her lawyer that only 5 people were at the party. Math. It's not hard.
Samuel Bennett
It doesn't matter. The left has no conviction at all and will scatter as soon as their own personal existence is at risk. None of them care for the issues of the other. You think a nigger is going to lay down his life for a roastie or tranny?
I agree that in a real war scenario the right has advantages in resolve, but I don't see it happening.
Ryan Peterson
According to Fox the hearing will be open and Kavanaugh will be going after Ford.
""We made important progress on our call this morning with Senate Judiciary Committee staff members," the attorneys, Debra Katz, Lisa Banks, and Michael Bromwich said in the statement. "We committed to moving forward with an open hearing on Thursday Sept 27 at 10:00 am.""
"Kavanaugh will reportedly testify after Ford, allowing him the opportunity to respond to her claims."
>Open is bad for Kavanaugh How? Her public credibility will be further destroyed by cross examination. And if the Democrats have been hiding her from the public eye for this long, she's probably not a credible witness or good emotional manipulator like Anita Hill.
Jose Mitchell
It's always a fucking professor.
Josiah Robinson
anita hill was a lying bitch nigger
Alexander Richardson
Thursday; they succeeded in putting this whole thing off for two weeks
Zachary Nguyen
Let the left push this. It will make hanging them all later easier. Let them prove they are not communist. If they can't then they get the rope.
>democracy is mob rule though it is, you're right, but the mob is now controlled by a neo-feudalistic aristocracy that (not-so) secretly despises their rent-a-mob
Parker Diaz
At least this one is just a regular dumb journalist, instead of a disingenuous lying lawyer claiming burden of proof is on the defendant. That's an improvement... I guess.
Ayden Wright
Ross Douthat raped me 10 years ago. The burden of proof is entirely on him to prove he did not do this
Tyler Thomas
Are you kidding Sven? We're all perturbed by this sequence of events. We're all sick of Jews. We're all sick of vindictive bitches.
Andrew Russell
>I don't have to obey God
Jaxon Ramirez
N e v e r. The process is the punishment. >America >justice Pick one.
Evan Baker
>How are we ever going to live in a consistent and judicially deterministic society after this?
Do what literally everyone else on the planet does and ignore the Jew York Times.
Nolan Butler
Because they don't actually care about whether or not he did it, just whether this denies him getting the seat or not. His accuser could come forward and give an exact date 15 years ago, and if he somehow had video evidence he was somewhere else on that date, she'd just say >whoops, I meant the week before haha And they'd still be supporting her
Benjamin Stewart
Also, I’m not going to give you “specifics” like time, place or date of the event, so don’t go getting your alibis out. Still, prove it, Ross.
Jeremiah Howard
>a man credibly accused That's kind of subjective, isn't it. I don't see any credible accusation, not by a long shot. And what's the end game here (as "progressives" can never stop at an established point, they HAVE to push further)? Nobody who's gotten accused of anything can ever hold any responsibility again? "Oops, I just accused you of some bullshit, now you can never become a judge/politician/manager/whatever!"
The left is motherfucking INSANE.
Juan Carter
It also brings up the issue of the rights of minors. He was 17, a minor, and they have different rights of privacy than adults.
Benjamin Myers
The post you responded to was a joke. The video is - sadly - serious. The United States: not even once, Sven.
Josiah Rogers
And if you can't, no one should ever employ you, ever. Who cares if this boils down to he said she said, since I made the accusation everyone will believe me by default
Oliver Turner
Dude I Agree. But the Lord has ordained it to be so. Have faith therefore bro
Jack Hernandez
Guys...I have a confession. Ginsberg raped me twenty years ago. I feel like now Is the time to speak up. It happened at a house party. She was really drunk and tried to jack me off. #metoo
Jackson Watson
>credibly accused thats_where_youre_wrong.png
Justin Parker
That is completely opposite. An intoxicated teenage boy violently trying to lose his virginity, albeit foolishly, is something that can and should be completely forgiven and forgotten.
Evan Young
If it even happened at all. The whole premise is odd.
Charles Russell
Ross Douthat raped me in high school.
Isaac Smith
>impotent Swede screams at Jow Forums whiny bitch kek
Easton Perry
I am glad you followed up this post by saying "If it even happened at all.". Until there is either proof or credible witnesses all there is are claims being pushed with nothing to back them up. The whole premise is odd.
Bentley Hernandez
False accusations that cost someone money or money they could earn in the future is libel.
Camden Stewart
I fully support rescinding the Constitutional rights of registered democrats, after doing so we need to go through the voter rolls and systematically go house to house to execute each one of them.
Jonathan Thomas
They actually PAY for people to act as protestors? ?
Wow. Is there any evidence for this, or video clips?
Brandon Perry
>taint Hehehe
Matthew Evans
>>Even if Kavanaugh is innocent of the charge of a teenage sexual assault, I argued, to give such prominence and power to a man credibly accused would both leave an unnecessary taint on his future rulings [...] Yes, it might make him demand evidence before ruling.
Gavin Cruz
For the record, Ross is pro Amy Barrett and he successfully prognosticated everything wrong during the 2016 Presidential campaign in regards to Trump.
