Supposedly the worlds most successful leaders have read this book and applied it’s prinicpals fo manipulate NPCs

It's alright, but it's largely dated social psychology. I guess it would teach you a certain filter to analyze a situation through. Just don't be autistic and follow its advice mechanically you will look like a sociopath.
>t. shitdegree

I read it; each chapter is just another anecdote of his time, along with such profound and passionate proverbs such as "be good"

Boomer advice for boomer times

Literally walk up and give them a firm handshake

Better off reading Machiavelli in today's world.

nice post user Jow Forums is a place i like to come to a lot, do you have any advice from the book?, i failed to read it but you seem like an intelligent person VdXU5O4Q. I think we can both agree it has some good points.

"call people by their names, they like hearing their names"

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>tfw dont like hearing my name

>Techniques in Handling People
Don’t criticize, condemn or complain.
Give honest and sincere appreciation.
Arouse in the other person an eager want.

>Six ways to make people like you
Become genuinely interested in other people.
Smile.
Remember that a person’s name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language.
Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.
Talk in terms of the other person’s interests.
Make the other person feel important – and do it sincerely.

>Win people to your way of thinking
The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it.
Show respect for the other person’s opinions. Never say, “You’re wrong.”
If you are wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.
Begin in a friendly way.
Get the other person saying “yes, yes” immediately.
Let the other person do a great deal of the talking.
Let the other person feel that the idea is his or hers.
Try honestly to see things from the other person’s point of view.
Be sympathetic with the other person’s ideas and desires.
Appeal to the nobler motives.
Dramatize your ideas.
Throw down a challenge.

>Be a Leader: How to Change People Without Giving Offense or Arousing Resentment
Begin with praise and honest appreciation.
Call attention to people’s mistakes indirectly.
Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.
Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.
Let the other person save face.
Praise the slightest improvement and praise every improvement. Be “hearty in your approbation and lavish in your praise.”
Give the other person a fine reputation to live up to.
Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.
Make the other person happy about doing the thing you suggest

That part is true. People are obsessed with themselves so Carnegie”s idea was to pretend to take an interest in NPCs and their interests. Try to identify commonalities which would lead to a bond of some sort. Through this artificial bond you can manipulate them. He obviously does not use the word manipulate but that is what I try to do.

This is pretty corny shit tho. You're better off learning the ~11 main communication theories for a broader sense of how affections, behaviors and cognition are affected by a 'message.'

It's just basic advice lmao nothing lifechanging

Explain

Agree

scribd.com/doc/147168513/Theories-of-Human-Communication-Littlejohn-1

There are better works but this is fairly low entry barrier and comprehensive.

>LOOK PEOPLE IN THE EYE AND BE NICE
Learn NLP instead.

can't find it anywhere outside of the disney movie.

explain

I read this years ago thinking it might have some practical application. Since it was written circa 1930 the world has changed a lot. Much of what is in it no longer applies.
Also Carnegie went onto become a millionaire which is not realistic for many of us.
I also found many of the anecdotes to be pretty stupid and irrelevant.

Neuro-Linguistic Proramming.

You need NLP to succeed in not being perceived as a psycho when interacting with people because if you have the wrong thoughts in your mind then looking people in the eye can be seen as a threat.

Decent advice if you're generally socially inept, but The 48 Laws of Power is a far more useful book if you want to learn how to actually influence people.

The titles pretty much give it away. Carnegie's book tells you how to make friends and merely "influence" people. Greene's book is about power, and only power. Which do you think has a greater effect on the world: someone who makes friends, or someone who has power?

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Are there any other recommended books for social retards like this?

The problem with all this shit is that they are basically a guide for pussy corporate slaves and nice guys, there is NOTHING masculine in this list.

I was raised with all the "niceneties" Canergie talks about and I ended up being a pretty fragile and soft young adult, it took me years to deprogram these things and be more masculine, agressive and overall assertive.

The reason the modern man is completely castrated is because he is too nice and empathetic which led political correctness to prosper, if we don't want to disappear as a people we need to begin to be more agressive, more dominant, not being afraid to be verbally violent against other groups.

Not the end all be all but an excellent read. I used to be really socially awkward and reading this, along with working retail, was one of the things that helped me shift to being a lot more sociable.

t. business owner

>Needing the Bradygames Guide

Cheater. At least try and do a run without looking it up first.

This. I've read it, and gave away the copy I had years ago. Gonna go get another after seeing this.

this.

also recommend Carnegie's "How to Stop Worrying and Start Living"

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Read the 48 Laws of Power. Same idea, but useful rules for a more cutthroat world.

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The book was written in a time when as a man you were assumed to be masculine and assertive, therefore the problem most men would have would be coming across as too aggressive and unable to empathise with people.

Nowadays the techniques in the book are a lot more obvious but most people have the opposite problem, they already too nice and unwilling to stand their ground.

normal IQ isn't very good IQ

Top-tier bait.

This book is an effective method of communicating when you are trying to sell something or maybe as a middle manager. Its mostly about catering to people. However, when dealing with women, or a strong leadership position it fails.

>The problem with all this shit is that they are basically a guide for pussy corporate slaves and nice guys, there is NOTHING masculine in this list.
it is a guide for making friends and influencing people, as the book title says. it is not a guide for how to behave towards everyone you meet. so you use the tips when dealing with people you wanna be friends with, or with someone that you are working with.

Only works on american NPCs. Always smile and be pleasant bullshit doesn't fly in russia - you'll look like a fool

Yes. There's also an updated version for "in the digital age" that I was unaware of before.

Saw mention of this book in the past. Sounded like bullshit kikery, so I decided to read it cause I like being mad. Disappointingly it seemed to just be a basic self help book for people with autism.

It's just old. You'll get something out of it but it is simply out of touch.

Read "Game" by Roosh. He is redpilled on women, marriage, and leftism and just gave an interview on Red Ice: youtube.com/watch?v=714st3YHoVg

Give this book a chance. There does exist a method of attracting women and most internet-addicts do not use it. Let this guide you to a white wife.

>Principle 1
Leftists never read this book.

LOL looks like you're an insecure fuck

doesn't look like anything to me

manipulation isn't inherently bad, it takes place in every discussion. it's part of our everyday lives

I haven't read the book and I do most of this shit. I am the "nice guy" and will probably die alone.

Got a PDF?

Was required reading at this one Corp I worked at. They bought a book for everyone.
I threw mine in the garbage after reading a bit of it. I don't like people. They need me, not the other way around.
With that said, I haven't been to the office in 10 years and work as much or as little as I want, whenever I want. Wtf they gonna do about it? I'll just go work for their competition and automate what they do, destroy their livelihood. And they know it.
Fuck em all.

The Book was released in in the early 20th century when there was a lot of rough dicipline around and smoothtalking was actually something very uncommon.Applyed in todays society it just makes you look like an massive beta faggot.

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It’s shit

People that don't act like this: Donald Trump, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates..

I don't understand why that book is so successful.

Literally the most autistic book out there, I have no idea how boomers still think it is insightful

The whole book: be good to people, and listen and care about them

tldr; take interest in other peoples interests. Best advice I've ever recieved.

It's good for fitting in the middle management. Top level businessmen all have unique combinations of personality, upbringing and luck - they don't need "good enough" advice for average man.

Literally the best shit for dating - you pay attention, notice some minor detail, compliment on it. Add a dash of ego and healthy narcissism and girls just melt.

I have my job because I walked up and looked the manager in the eye and gave a firm handshake
I have an interview because I spoke clearly to the recruiter and addressed him properly
I made $90k last year
t. college dropout

This book is basic shit but it has unironically helped me make friends and be more social.

They were'' avarage'' man once too. If there's something in common is that they were never nice guys.

It's about as common sense as petersons 12 rules for life, but form a solid base u can default to. Real book is 5 rings, wrote by a samurai who killed hundreds with his blade, started 2 sword fight style, undefeated old man moves to cave writes scrolls then dies. Studied by bizness chinks, most cut throat capatislts today. But you probably still live with your mother and have never been in a fight except in World of Warcraft.

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It really makes no difference to me because if I don't like the person idgaf how many questions they ask me about myself, in fact, it's annoying. Just stop trying so hard to be my friend and relax!

>have you ever read how to win friends and influence people?
>brah have you ever read art of war?
The books in this thread are the normie top 10 desu senpai.
lol these books in this thread are normie tier.

me either, whats that say about us?

Charisma on command is a pretty good youtube channel. He predicted trump winning as we

these don't work to everyone, but rather to people with a very controlling mind-set.

There's 4 leadership roles you can take in the modern work environment, and if you follow these rules you're stuck with an outdated concept of leadership that works in a contained environment but will set you out to fail in big environments.
You will have 1 or 2 lifelong friends who help you but you'll be fucked otherwise. Strongly advise against all but maybe 6 of the "laws" on this picture.

I'm an introvert but actively work on it when I'm meeting new people. Starting by:
>1: practicing finding out what people want to talk about and letting them pull the convo.
>2:manipulating their interest into something that is entertaining to you or interesting and leading the conversation that way.
>3: completely manipulating the conversation by leading them into what you want to talk about by giving them bread crumb "choices" that will ultimately get to what you want to talk about and how you want to talk about it.

it's really easy now for me to socialize. People don't know it's manipulation. No one thinks I'm introverted either. it takes hard work but it's challenging and fun. it's NOT machiavellen, Although you can easily use it to do that.

Carnegie's book is really helpful for framing things and getting good examples to jump off of. People will become infatuated by your perceived(usually genuine) interest in them and appreciate it. I typically just do it now to stimulate conversation and make people comfortable. doing it in search of a job/work is machiavellen and more tiring, also not very fruitful in the long run

I had a really old version of it, I think from the 50s.Literally threw it to yhe garbage.

did I miss much?

It's an old book. Not sure it would be of much use today.

Win Bigly is good too. Scott knows his boomer magic.

I like the part of the flows and rythms. Got more sense after meditating for some time.
Chink Jow Forumsman are just as retarded as western btw.

48 Laws of Power is awesome. Even if you have some qualms about using these Laws, at least you'll have an understanding of how others can manipulate you.

Spotted the pre-teen

Literally jail literature. There's even a fucking version with the rapper 50 cent as some coauthor or whatever. How to be a sociopath and make zero friends, the book.

According to Dutton, the ten careers that have the highest proportion of psychopaths are

CEO
Lawyer
Media (TV/radio)
Salesperson
Surgeon
Journalist
Police officer
Clergy
Chef
Civil servant

How is it something bad? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_in_the_workplace

Of course - being able to initiate and handle conflict is high risk/high reward strategy - you either end up on top or dead. Thus for average joe is better to be mostly nice - his odds at getting decent success increase.

>Jail literarure
top kek

does this book teach you how to be fun at parties

I'm pretty good at conversation but a bit dry

Plus genetics. I contracted for a while for a global megacorp in their tech HQ in a European city. One day I had reason to go across town to the business HQ and the people over there were like something out of a glossy magazine: taller, sexier, they even smelled better. I understood the critical need for deploying these stunners instead of greasy geeks when a limo carrying important people from an oil rich African state pulled up outside while I was waiting to get my pass.

You don’t want to reproduce or you’re not ready yet

I think it does work, but you need to tone it down a bit. Instead of smiling, just don't have a resting bitch face. Nothing wrong with being pleasant, just don't overdo it.

No politicians, really?

from experience:
>1
>2
>3 (Only explain your intentions and ideas in a setting that allows you to take credit)
>4 Only as a means for applying law 8.
>5 be smart about it and decide when enough is enough. Don't back down.
>6 To be unnoticed is to not exist. To be noticed in the wrong time is worse. Balance is key.
>8 To appear relevant.
>10 True.
>12 Be smart about this. Don't consistently overplay your generosity or your reputation will suffer.
>13 True.
>14 God damn it. Be a friend and bait people into feeding you good information.
>16 Stupid wording. You need to make your absence seem like the fulfilment of external duties (to family, job, friends...)
I actually need to address 17. People are drawn to predictability. 17 is HARMFUL to you.
>18 True.
>19 Worded like a woman. That being said, know who you're dealing with.
>20 You need to do this in your job. Don't make too many excuses.
>26 IMMACULATE
>28 True.
>29 True.
>34 ACT, speak and pose like a king dumbass

Nice pic

>that list
Only a few of those "laws" are true and worth taking seriously, most of them just make you look like an arrogant overly-controlling piece of shit.

It is not. "how to be a cuck 101"
Ruined my life

>Win people to your way of thinking
So you win people by agreeing with them and being a cuck?

>most
Well at least "many" of them. When I see people trying to use me like that, I avoid the shit out of them.

Anyone ever read the scientology how to communicate pdf's those are pretty good.

Power over people is not power, it's homosexuality.

spot on. easy to read. remember rule #1, never apologize.

isnt one of the rules is to force ways for people to come to you? so it's not really like you can avoid them.
you're not supposed to do all of them all of the time either, that's autistic. you use them selectively.
trump is seen doing all of these, if you think about it.

how is petersons 12 rules for life?

I don't mind to go through basic personal psychology and I don't expect secrets.

The advice is pretty common sense and Carnegie says as much but you'd be amazed at how people sometimes need to just review the basics.

yes, this is true in my experience too. a lot of people just don't realize theyre not even attempting to be effective. people who buy the book are usually ones who are going to put effort towards having meaning in their life.

48 laws of power was a good read. A lot easier to stick with than How to win friends.
Robert Greene used a lot of historical and folk legend examples that helped put things in context. Dale Carnegie is too long winded as most writers from his era were. His examples take the long way around so each chapter or rule feels like a chore to finish.

How am I supposed to make friends over the internet? I have been using the internet daily since the late 90's and have only ever made 2 friends from it. Whats the secret?

>Real book is 5 rings, wrote by a samurai who killed hundreds with his blade, started 2 sword fight style, undefeated old man moves to cave writes scrolls then dies.

Imagine actually believing this shit. Peak anime influenced autism.

You are better off with any decent CBT book, really. Peterson is decent motivational speaker, so he can spur you to start doing shit in your life. But CBT gives you a complete framework to controlling your thoughts/actions, managing stress etc.

It’s good for a historical lesson because we can see the progress this “liberalism” has made over the last 100 years. I’m surprised to see anyone ITT calling it outdated. These manipulative “liberals” are still successful at making money by telling the masses they’re doing something good for the world. Look no further than the philanthropy marketing schemes, NGOs, and charities. There are still people today that think these businesses are giving their money away out of their own generosity. Some of these masses even donate to them. Look at all the aid given to KANGZ and the responses given by some when we say no more. They actually think we’re helping KANGZ out of generosity and not because the money is getting siphoned into certain pockets.