In right-wing fiction the miraculous propaganda coup is followed by a decisive engagement. In Atlas Shrugged John Galt’s radio address set off a mass libertarian revolution against the wicked state. In The Turner Diaries a few small bombings on federal targets win massive support for the nuclear attacks on Israel and major American cities. RAHOWA, racial holy war, refers to the apocalyptic vision of a massive race war in which the White race collectively exterminates other races in their designated homeland. After logically persuading the masses those masses decisively engage their foes. With superior numbers, equipment, spirit, and facts victory is assured. All of these visions are logically unavoidable and all of them are fictional.
Actual conflict is seldom decided by objective measures. Superior numbers, machinery, logistics, and ideology are very often defeated. The logical calculus as Game Theory gives way to unthinking attrition. Objective clarity is broken by subjective confusion. The subject here is the other party. In conflict the key understanding and manipulating the expectations of the adversary. Their opinions, motivation, and equipment frequently change and always do so relative to yours.
This poses a deep challenge for right-wing ideologues. When you are objectively superior in arguments, numbers, and operations how can you lose? An inferior foe triumphs when he is more adaptable, more determined, and just luckier. At the heart of this is the OODA loop. You observe orient decide and act in that order. The trick is to do that faster and better while making your opponent do it slower and worse. Right now leftists move through their OODA loop much faster.
Charlottesville is a key example of dueling OODA loops.
The right observed removal of Confederate monuments was being pushed from on high. The right oriented toward opposing this when it was revealed to be deeply unpopular among Americans of all races. The decision was made to protest the removal of General Lee’s statue in Charlottesville, VA. Action was the Unite the Right rally itself.
The left observed the planned rally. The left oriented toward a decisive engagement on the location and date of the rally. They decided with the support of government officials for the disruption of the rally and tech executives for the follow on censorship. Action took the forms of Antifa attacks, the state of emergency, press circus, prosecution of right-wing demonstrators, and the subsequent censorship (termed deplatforming).
The right made good observations, oriented accurately, decided based on that, and acted by walking right into a leftist trap. This happened because the left went through their OODA loop faster. The left forced the right to tear defeat from the jaws of victory. Objectively it shouldn’t have happened. This is more than an operational challenge for the right, but indeed a theoretical challenge.
UTR was controlled opposition. The organizer was a former Obama voter. Hence why UTR2 was dead. Everyone knew it was controlled op, and the media was sad they didn't get a story.
Asher Morgan
OODA loop is a military term referring to tactical decisions made within seconds. Fighter pilots deciding which bogey to tail, do I check six, combat spread, energy fight or turn fight etc.
That has nothing to do with this. They lost the fight in advance because of how both sides brains work because of the education system and the media. No one has powers of deduction, most people are rote regurgitators and dogpile into fake grassroots ops and get distracted by red herrings.
There was no snap 'OODA loop' event that could have changed what happened. Some unknown finds out the head of the UTR rally was a democrat and spams on Jow Forums or somewhere on reddit or wherever and a few people gloss over it. Plenty of people notice how suspicious it was that the media appointed Richard Spencer figurehead of the alt-right and that he was blatantly controlled opposition, running a fake grassroots trap that's been done with 'extremist' groups since time immemorial. Doesn't matter, because there's thousands of kekistani dickheads who will fall for it because they didn't exercise their powers of deduction in their life.
It all stems from psychopathic traitors, pedophiles and intelligence agencies that blackmail them. This is the main mechanism for controlling politicians, blackmail/extortion, you do as we say or we ruin you and you don't get to rape kids anymore, you lose your luxurious lifestyle. It's a perfect system because these people are assessed to have no moral compass and only want money and childrape, there's no cold feet or second thoughts, they're like terminators.
Jews clocked that blackmail was the most effective and fruitful action for furthering their goals a very long time ago, around 1945 at the very latest but probably since the advent of concealable cameras. This is because they have mental intensity and powers of deduction that goyim do not and that's just a fact. This is how they got into power - they found the h-bomb of tradecraft first.
Gavin Flores
I think that there is a good measure of truth to the Controlled Opposition narrative. However not everyone who attended the rally or supported from afar was CO. Many on Jow Forums looked forward to the rally for months. I do agree that it was so counterproductive that it may as well have been done by the opposition.
Now I chose Charlottesville because it is a well known event. There are other failures of the right-wing miracle. Yukio Mishima's speech to Japanese officers. The AWB failure at Bophuthatswana.
OODA loops don't always take seconds. In counterdrug operations cartels are said to go through their OODA loop 13x faster than DEA. That's fast, but not seconds fast.
>Hey, these oxbridge/ivy league pretentious occult pedophiles are psychopaths and all they care about is raping kids and they'd literally push a red button that means all of humanity is tortured for all of eternity so they can rape more kids. If we set up pedophile rings, place hidden cameras and blackmail them with the footage and tell them to run for office and say open the borders and give them more kids to rape they'll do what we say and never admit the truth because they just want to rape
Goyim in 2018:
>Durr wuhh, how is that suppose to work.... like if it was a conspiracy someome would say something shurely. Hidden cameras whaaa? Yeah durrs terrible people absoltue power corrupts absolutely wasnt it winston churchill who said dat. We need to save the white race. I think the pedophilia is them trying to drain the life force of the youth to stay young like the rothschilds and they r taking the energy ive heard this stuff about adrenochrome . Gotta go watch TV
Bit of catching up to do
Eli Scott
The interaction between blackmail and power is pretty important for people to understand. It provides a floor to your failure if you're inside the club because you can always get a seat on the gravy train.
Logan Myers
>Many on Jow Forums looked forward to the rally for months That many were scoffed at and told it was a sham. Jow Forums has hated Richard Spencer and his ilk since he came into existence. He and others preach "EU is good, it just needs better leaders". They want a white empire, not nationalism.
They want to destroy national cultures. Most of the adherents are yurotrash immigrants. I've frequently routed a few of them, getting them to admit they are 2nd generation Germs or some other trash, and that "we are all white" as if those with English colonial ancestry have no more of a claim to nationhood than they do.
All of them are mutt trash. They will never have their ethnostate, because "white" is not a nation. England, France, Germany, America: these are nations with blood history. Nobody rightly says a nigger is American, they say "African" American. And the nappy heads show their true colors when you turn on the TV and see a football game, all of them spitting on the flag and the anthem.
Gavin Taylor
Let's say I buy into the OODA loop. Could you tell me from that perspective how would you rate the actions of the Democrats and their people as pertains to Kavanaugh's hearings? I have my predictions and my outlook but I'm genuinely interested in how do you see it.
Ayden Jones
People don't understand it and they never will because attention span depletion has passed the rubicon and goyim were always rote. Not chink rote, but too rote to clock order of events properly. Almost everyone's brain goes blank when confronted with the concept of pedo blackmail, brains get confused when they think of how a snare would go down and think it's farfetched despite it being foolproof as there are no authorities to report it to if a snare is botched. They find it too icky to think & read about so they don't get an insight into the pedophile mind. They're like a satanic molesting version of those 1000 pound americans where they need to sledge doorways to get them out of the house to the hospital - those people aren't humans they're food hoovers who aren't there. Pedophiles of a particularly vicious stock that get snare-recruited are psychopathic 'terminators' in that they are just dead inside and just want to rape children. They're not there, but you are and they have an immense effect on you because they carry out the decisions the domestic intelligence agencies (the CIA covers the domestic intelligence side in the US despite what they claim) tell them to.
Sebastian Murphy
I would say the Kavanaugh accusations should be understood in comparison to a reference point. The firing of James Gunn followed well documented investigations of his jokes and comments that were pedophilic in nature. This was largely pushed by right leaning people. Disney was caught unprepared and was forced to fire him. The left had observed an effective use of online outrage against them, they oriented on the right wing nature of the prime movers, they decided that using the political ad hominem they would neutralize future attempts, and then they acted with Dan Harmon.
Those on the right drunk with the successful firing of James Gunn tried to reenact it with Dan Harmon. Dan Harmon had made pedophilic content, distasteful rape jokes, and racist comments including the word nigger. Yet he wasn't fired because the entertainment industry had prepared a counternarrative to resist "right wing outrage mobs". The right had incorrectly assumed that the same trick would work twice because they didn't prepare for a thinking and reactive opponent.
The handling of the Kavanaugh accusations by the right has been pretty shameful. They observed them, oriented that they were dubious though not patently false, decided to ask for testimony, and thereby ceded action to the accuser. Meanwhile the left observed the accusation had successfully delayed the hearings, oriented that corroboration and details were unimportant, decided to introduce another accuser, and acted accordingly.
The CIA domestically operates as the National Resources Division. Officially it recruits Americans to spy on foreign targets, conducts counterintelligence with the FBI, monitors foreign drug cartels, and helps scientific research. Unofficially it does way more than that.
I would go to Justice Thomas and see how well the allegations of rape worked in 1991,and simply assumed that they used the the same strategy. Diane Fainstein when asked about the case asserted that she, herself is not sure the allegations are >>all that truthful There were also problems with how long she held on to the letter. Ford's allegations towards Kavanaugh were perceived as phony by the public. And, at the same time energized people to vote.Republicans: They knew from the very beginning that they won't win the public on the moral high ground and had 3 of their own, declare a luke warm support for Ford's allegations. They then see that they have to thread carefully and have to appear as lenient as possible and at the same time guarantee their entire 51 to vote. I would say that it's an ok strategy, but at the same time, they should've expected the move from the Democrats and unless they really had no choice, speed up the proceedings.So, a bad move. During their "negotiations" it becomes clear that Ford's allegations do not ring true with the public so the Democrats bring a few more accusers in hopes of it working this time. Purely reactionary but I wouldn't asses it as good, not if we are talking about the ultimate goal here which is the midterm elections and the Democrats winning. And that's because, historically the >>added a user only works as a confirmation of the first one, but only if the first one is already believable. In any other case it just lowers the belief in the first accuser. So, the Republicans did not reacted with a plan to a predictable move on the side of the Democrats. Democrat move gave the Republicans the advantage of the upper hand that can be now measured by a few opinion polls(2 that I actually seen), and also energized the right leaning part of the electorate to vote, and in some part their own electorate as well, although not as much. So generally a huge risk that paid into Republican corner, and not theirs.
Jeremiah Martinez
Added accuser
Wyatt Brooks
I hope you're right that this will backfire for the midterms. My view is that these accusers are just being used to delay his confirmation until after the midterms. The falseness is itself of secondary concern because it is being used to derail/delay a confirmation rather than back up a prosecution. If the Democrats win the midterms they can claim that the lame duck Senate is illegitimate despite its technical authority.
Xavier Gonzalez
Okay. What can be done? Jow Forums has no leadership, no hierarchy. OODA loops get accelerated by efficient data transfer & analysis on the way up and efficient data transfer & unquestioning order execution on the way down. In the absence of hierarchies, there is only the wisdom of crowd response which may be orders of magnitude slower. The left is centrally organized and can change tactics with one conference call at the top and then a chain of less than 6 phone calls between said top and any member of the street anti-garbage bin squad. The anti-tyranny loose band of misfits has to build memes, disseminate them using platforms OWNED AND CONTROLLED by the enemy and hope the normies get the message. The republican party has leadership and organization, but they are allies only in the loosest sense. They worship Israel for Christ's sake.
William Brooks
I think rather than a heirarchy a checklist or consensus model for action could be instituted. Jow Forums naturally does the OOD part quite well. Determining criteria for collective and effective action would be key to weaponizing Jow Forums
Jose Miller
Take this as a prospective checklist.
1. Is the action simple to execute? Eg flyering and meme spamming. The more complex, the more steps the easier it is to screw up.
2. Is there an IRL group that can exploit a successful action? Consider actors who can take a success forward and if they are likely to do so.
3. Can this backfire? Consider the consequences if the plot is traced back to Jow Forums, eg blaming Russian hackers.
Wyatt Ward
If the Democrats really are concentrating on the delaying the confirmation and forgetting about the midterms that may explain why am I losing my mind thinking that they can't be that stupid and accusing them of some nefarious plan to win the elections in November. Democrats already have about 0 chances on winning the Senate. With their latest move the momentum is on Republican side to the point that I'm starting to seriously question I'd Democrats are going to win the Hoise. I look at things from more holistic point of view if you will. It's an action-reaction while achieving a goal. So far it looks like in the process of delaying the confirmation the Democrats might have lost the bigger goal that is the midterms, and at the same time severely overestimated their power over the information. If they wanted to delay the confirmation, only, they failed; because the Republicans now have all their ducks in the row, after the initial posturing by 3 of their members, which means that they probably won't risk the confirmation and in the face of a slim, but possible change of them losing the Senate they will confirm Kavanaugh, and soon. They still do have the majority in the Senate to do so without a problem. What's nice about it we will know what their move will be today and definitely by Thursday. I hope they won't fuck it up. They may though. If the Democrats wake up we may see them realigning their goals and actually trying to win the midterms. They can forget about any type of Blie Wave though. Ford was a spectacular loss. 28% of people believed her. 25% of women, which is a bit important here. The latest poll by WSJ also shows a shift in momentum with the elections being very important to a 2/3rd of a country. It's not some ground breaking poll as it is "national" variety, and yet the jump in independents and Republicans claiming these as important as compared to a month ago is huge.
Parker Flores
It's like preparing IOTBW campaign again. That was a brilliant move, one of the best of pol/ Met all of the criteria that you are outlining and was executed very well. Also, if I may add, pol/ is mainstream now. What we write here actually matters, and our information campaign is working to a large extent. Correcting the record on pol/ actually gets read by a wide demographic, wider than we think I'm guessing. The shilling and million cock threads turns a shit ton of people off, and I guess that's why the shilling increases so much before the elections and during big "happenings ". I know, this isn't some groundbreaking observation, but it serves us well to remember the impact that we can have
Owen Price
The whole Blue Wave was meant to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. As such it became a self-deluding prophecy too. They have to believe in it to work and if it fails they'll say they weren't committed enough.
What I think may lead to a Democratic recapture of the House: 1. Opposition parties often do well in midterms. 2. Republican incompetence.
What I think may lead to the Republicans retaining the House: 1. Midterm electorates are older and Whiter because a lot of idiots only vote for President. 2. 96% of incumbents are reelected historically. If this holds the Democrats will gain seats without gaining a majority. 3. Democratic incompetence
Jacob Perez
the good thing about lack of leadership is that it's not subject to corruption, and thus it's a double edge sword. Its very hard to gain mass appeal without a leader with a face. It's also very hard to destroy without a leader with a face who fucks it up (like spencer tried to do)
Cooper Powell
So who does Jow Forums influence? What has the highest conversion rate of Jow Forums threads to articles/videos?
Dominic Nguyen
Getting antifa to chimp out and be unruly is good practice for police and desensitizing to the normies. Law enforcement probably got new equipment, protocols and more funding. If there is ever a time when regular citizens started taking to the street, law enforcement and the media will be well prepared
Joseph Kelly
The main reason Jow Forums excels at the OOD part is the same reason you such at the A part - weaponized autism. You depend on lurking normies pointed out by . The kicker is that they are not really reliable to act any further than duct taping IOTBW posters - a brilliant op, yes, but what did it really achieve strategically? Turned a lot of normies into lurkers, but what were the real life consequences? The fatal weakness in Jow Forums as an anti-tyranny force is that it is an open platform read by the enemy - it cannot use any form of deceit or organize any direct assault at the enemy. And it can be subject to subversion, honeypotting and the like. It might wake up lurkers enough that they start forming cells on their own outside of Jow Forums, but without central planning or any institutional / financial backing, they will have a hard time protecting or attacking anything. Jow Forums is extremely useful as counter-propaganda. But the war is fought on other layers as well, and I don't see Jow Forums being able to assert any influence there
Colton Walker
Jow Forums is extremely limited in that regard and will never be able to deliver a full victory. I think that you correctly noted that the IOTBW was of limited effect, in fact it proved that to most mainstream news it is literally not okay. I think deception is overvalued. Open source information has to be validated by open source. Secret information is often wrong because so few people get to check it. Likewise a secret plan could benefit from some input.
I think the biggest asset to countersurveillance on Jow Forums is how self-deluded the opposition is. The biggest threat to Jow Forums is self-delusion, eg 4d chess/Qlarps.
>>Opposition parties often do well in midterms Yes and Inwas expecting that. Historically the Democrats should be trending around +19-20% for this to happen(national support) they are at 12%. I'm waiting for the newest polls so I can see a broader reaction to Ford, but so car it's not looking that great. >>Republican incompetence Huge factor, and nothing we can do about it. We can run a service in their PR to some extent, especially now, after Reddit closed the conservative subs(as a side note- isn't it pretty weird that the conservatives are being censored en masse, right now? ) >>Midterm electorates are older and Whiter because a lot of idiots only vote for President Usually that's the case, not now. The electorate is very energized and it will be a question of how many independents decide to side with Republicans, a shit ton of elections will go like OH-12 did. North Carolina is being right now subpoenaed for their voting records due to illegals voting that was uncovered....and with elections that close, every vote matters. That may be a problem for Republicans >>Democratic incompetence Which in my opinion is showing right now. On the other side, right now is ages before the elections, so it almost doesn't matter. People have an attention span of a gnat. But starting October 14th it will be a huge factor. In any case, it is close but it still looks to me that the Republicans may keep the majority House and Senate. Pol/ is on all meme aggregating sites: 9gag etc. Pol/ ironically also has it's own sub on Reddit Q yards are helping and not helping us. We gained a wider demographics thanks to them, but it's mainly right wing demographic anyway, the kind that doesn't need prompting to vote. The memes for the "independents" are the ones that are satire/common sense mixture. Pic related. Not a meme but you will catch my drift. Soft redpil type. And we lately are slacking in meme production in general. Caught character limit.
The Charlottesville retards were not right wing. They were National Socialists; left wingers who want to redistribute the wealth in almost an identical way that the communists do.
Jaxon Phillips
Politically, the conservatives in america may hold the high ground, but their resistance to tyranny has been less than stellar. The bushes are little better than the clintons and the deep state is party-blind. The oligarch thugs are currently dressed in leftist clothes, but if the noose starts slipping and the tide turns, the enemies of freedom might very well start financing and training "right wing death squads" answering to them. In 5 years the public opinion could be so much anti-left (thanks in no small part to Jow Forums) that the tyrants apparent will be pushing censorship, gun control, boot licking and the like "to protect the children", to "root out degenerative elements" and to "ensure the existence of the american people and a future for american babies". They might dial down or completely stop immigration to appease you, build flashy but useless conservative monuments and basically try to ride the wave both ways. All the while pushing for more tyranny. In such scenario Jow Forums might not even be able to respond meaningfully for years until a new consensus is built. Not to mention the average IQ of Jow Forums declines by the year.
Joseph Price
Basically I would kick pol/sacks to produce more memes. Everyone but ptg... ok I may be biased here haha These should be enough to keep normies interested or engaged. >>turned a lot of normies into lurkers Which was a bit brilliant also it was a type of a soft redpill that we really need. The white oppression, but soft, and served as a psyop. We could meme this shit in our sleep. >>pol/ as counter propaganda Absolutely and completely agree. The problem that we are having now is the shilling(not that it's a new problem, or something that we aren't trying to fight anyway) Every time it increases people lurk less because apart of being obvious it's also boring, because of its repetitiveness. We can't count on mods, although today some summerfags were complaining that mods deleted the race hate threads, especially the iconic Chinese and Black hate I seriously don't know if these are iconic because I filter and always filtered this out, bit the complaint was, from what I gathered that the mods are doing their job...kind of.
Gabriel Collins
I actually agree with you, and when I think about the authoritarians on here calling to ban/outlaw everything, it makes me stop and think. These are the same people who also support Trump and call themselves the conservatives, and yet in a few threads I was called a leftist for asking about the freedom of speech. >>muh freedom of speech I was pretty surprised to be honest, because I wouldn't expect this from the people who also call themselves the right wing or conservative. This was a first time in, well forever. I heard it before from the Nazi sympathizers, but it's to be expected, I'm not sure if the people still understand what they actually stand for. It worries me a little. That may also have something to do with the fact that >>average IQ of Jow Forums declines by the year. as you said. There is little to nothing that we can do about it. And I think that just before midterms we should concentrate on more pressing problems....like the lack of memes for example.Lol
Camden Reyes
The Bushes are worse than you think. Deep connections to spy agencies, organized crime, and stuff I don't even know about.
Look into the strategy of tension featured in Operation Gladio. In Europe the CIA funded far left intellectuals in the CCF to spread anti-Communist leftism (also labor unions), far right militias as a secret army, and electorally backed Social Democrats to tamp down on extremism. Always ask who benefits from my action. Others may use your values against you.
Nathaniel Cruz
>type of a soft redpill that we really need. I fear their plans, whatever they might be, are a lot more advanced than their footsoldiers' erratic behavior suggests. It feels like there is a second gunman on a roof somewhere and the guy in the front of the crowd with the handgun was merely a distraction. Stay safe, stay armed, be prepared for a slow collapse, do not trust any honeypot on Jow Forums. It might even only be kept around as a literal containment board - some place the enemies of tyranny gather where their communication can be observed, their operations disrupted and their efforts misdirected - allowing them to soft red pill and counter some of the propaganda while the real offensive is done completely in the shadows - building a new financial crisis, a new world war, a total information control, a real police state. Jow Forums is always ready to expose evil such as injecting 5 year olds with hormones, but that is probably done exactly as a smoke screen by them. >like the lack of memes for example Wish I could help. Couldn't meme my way out of a reddit thread. I am a lurker and only posted in this thread because I've been thinking about these things for a while and need to express my concern. Winning the midterms is important right now because of the SCOTUS, but after than please do remember what pointed out -freedom has precious few friends in politics and no major party I know of is on the side of the actual human people. There is a reason the "You only had to listen" meme carries the face of Ron Paul.
Bentley Parker
I completely agree with everything you said. Especially the worries about >>second gunman on a roof somewhere and the guy in the front of the crowd with the handgun was merely a distraction. The sheer amount of tactics used to undermine a simple freedom of speech on pol/ of all places is unbelievable. So are the tactics used by the politicians for years, but especially after athe Trump's elections. I feel as if something is about to drop. Someone is actively pushing a civil unrest on general and it started in MSM, I'm almost 100% sure. Not that media is solely responsible in spreading this but someone is. And it's coming from both sides. The civil war in the US is not an answer to the problems that we are facing, especially that the way it's being pushed is more of a revolution without leaders, or rather the visible leaders than the civil war. After months of hearing it here and there it suddenly exploded reaching the Q community about 2 weeks ago. Q posted a message about it as well. Now, I followed this entire movement since the day 1, when Q posted about the Las Vegas shootings and did not have a trip yet, far from it. I saw the evolution and what happened to it. Long story short, I don't like it. Not because I suspect that the people involved in the movement are some bad people but because whoever leads them is a vague actor of unknown motives. I digress though. When Q messaged about the civil war every other thread mentions the civil war. So my question is who is pushing it and to what end? Distraction? Scare tactics? Something more nefarious? I'm pretty certain of one thing: it's not a natural conclusion of the anons or the public in general, it's actively pushed. And that worries me. The previous civil wars/revolution/resistance etc. ideas came usually with the Democrat on power and from the right. I've seen my share of it. It was a natural reaction to what was happening.This is something different.
Charles Richardson
>Not that media is solely responsible in spreading this but someone is. Cui bono? Who benefits? Conspiracies are hard to untangle mechanically, but easier motivationally. When you see who would benefit consider evidence that would inculpate or exculpate them. If someone is pushing a civil war they expect to benefit from it. Who would that be?
Luke Perez
>Actual conflict is seldom decided by objective measures.Superior numbers, machinery, logistics, and ideology are very often defeated. Absolute and total horse-shit. We remember and teach those exceptional cases BECAUSE they are exceptional. This is true to anything. There is some technical name for this fallacy I'm sure, but it doesn't really matter: 'you are making a logical fallacy' is just PC talk for YOU ARE FUCKING RETARDED.
You make Unite the Right your own example of your thesis, somehow missing the overwhelming force disparity.
>The right made good observations, oriented accurately, decided based on that, and acted by walking right into a leftist trap. This happened because the left went through their OODA loop faster.
No, absolute nonsense. The left 'won that engagement' because they had overwhelming propaganda force on their side. It wasn't a clever trap, the actual protests weren't even the point and wouldn't be remembered if it weren't for the totally unpredictable death of a leftist protestor. The battle was after the fact, in the press, and it was uncontested.
Benjamin Moore
Exactly. No “leaders”. No control. Like bacteria. Just a purpose.
Lincoln Martin
Charlottesville worked as it did because the people involved are retarded and think the government that's consciously working to replace them is going to let them have rallies and argue it out. Doesn't help that Americans have this weird police worship culture.
