Trying to redpill my communist brother - give me all the redpills you have

Unironicly this. Socialism to some extent is only logical but that doesn't mean we want to import millions of africans like some people here seems to think. They should create their own system in their own country

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Exactly true. Thanks for the advice.

I don't *want* to import millions of anyone anywhere, but I do support open borders, especially for western capitalist nations. If they want closed borders, they can stop bombing and exploiting the third world first.

Communism is not designed to work but to destroy western civilization by feeding you a pack if lies and erroneous values. The premise if of it does not function. And what happens is that communists mass murder non communists and anyone who disagree with them including other communists. It happened in soviet union, it happened in communist china, it happened in cambodia. It´s what happens because part of the doctrine is that you do precisely that. It is thought up by jews to destroy non jews. Things like national socialism which is the direct opposite of this socialist/communist stuff created by jews. Is the things that have chance of working. This is why they have demonized it for the last 70 years.
>I don't *want* to import millions of anyone anywhere, but I do support open borders, especially for western capitalist nations. If they want closed borders, they can stop bombing and exploiting the third world first.
This is not what is going on you dufus. This is the lie you are peddled to maybe feel better about yourself if you are from such nations, and to pit you against europeans and western nations. It´s all a lie.

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KNOW WHAT THEY DID TO YOU

Well. You can´t really talk communists without talking about the concept of racism. And this will also show you exactly how basically conditioned and ignorant and mislead/decieved people have become.
Try to learn where the bullshit concept comes from. It´s literally communist propaganda designed to create a multiethnic/muliticultural society by coercion. Because communists don´t want anyone standing up to them. People just grew up with it, they just say it. They don´t understand where it comes from or what the agenda behind it is.
Just think about that probably 98% of the people who say the term racist have NO FUCKING CLUE where the term comes from! No fucking clue! never questioned it, ever! And the other words are similar and built on the same foundation. The primary one 'racism' makes you not protect or stand up for your people. And allows foreigners to fuck up your country and people. The rest of the ones immunize specific groups from critique and elevate them to some sort of demi-gods that are beyond reproach. It´s all bullshit. The term 'racism' is probably one of the biggest psyops in human history.
Racism was developed by the radical communist leonid trotsky real name bronstein a jew from new york, who was using a fake russian name along with others to spearhead the russian revolution that did not just kill 20 million russians which you are told, but according to solzhenitzyn killed around 66 million russians! This was not a war this was an extermination of the russian people. ON PURPOSE. Why did they invent the term. Because the russians and others they were butchering said. Wait a minute you are not russian you are jewish!. OY VEY YOU ANTI SEMITE, which then morphed into 'racism' as in you are not allowed to point out it´s not your own people leading this 'russian' revolution in russia! A thought crime to tell foreign subverters apart from your own people!

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ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
>We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.
>Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members" who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself.
>Lenin, Stalin, and their successors could not have carried out their deeds without wide-scale cooperation of disciplined "terror officials," cruel interrogators, snitches, executioners, guards, judges, perverts, and many bleeding hearts who were members of the progressive Western Left and were deceived by the Soviet regime of horror and even provided it with a kosher certificate.
The russians were exterminated by foreign agents who created the cheka/nkvd!
gengrikh yagoda. One of the biggest single mass murderers in the last century. A jew. Who was the commander of the NKVD by his orders alone out of the 66 million. Just with this guys orders alone. 10 million russians were brutally exterminated ON PURPOSE. It seems the russians could have benefitted a little bit from standing up for their own people! This is what the term 'racism' tells you not to do.
if you are experiencing a bit of cold sweat reading this. It´s because you should. One of the biggest and swiftest mass murders in the previous century did not happen during a war. But was done by foreign agents of the jewish persuasion, funded by jews in other nations. Against the russian people murdering 66 million russians, not the 20 million which is the milk toast number they give you, it´s so bad they had to reduce the total.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (1918-2008), Nobel-Prize-winning novelist, historian and critic of Communist totalitarianism:
>"You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the "Russian Revolution." It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators."
66 million dead in just a few decades, exterminated by the jewish lead communists in the soviet union. Down the memory hole. Because the faction who did it to the russians are in control of your media. And have since spearheaded the term racism.

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What you also have to understand about the national socialists in germany.. Is that they believed that germans were next. Why? because the same jewish communists had tried in 1918 to make a communist revolution in germany. But it failed there, and unfortunately succeded in russia. Do you get an idea why hitler who maybe lost his composure decided he wanted every single jewish communist the fuck out of germany? And wanted an isolationistic germanic commonwealth to defend against russia who was now jewish controlled and massmurdering russians whilst threatening western europe? They tried to annex finland in 1939 the entire red army rolled in, it´s called the winter war look it up. So then USA england and france with the jews raging about germany could not kick jews out. BTFO germany and now had to deal with commie russia for decades after, who now took over large parts of eastern europe. This is what made patton flip his lid completely after the war when he realized what had happened! Which you can read about in the patton papers. He became a raging anti semite.

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What the fuck, it's real:
bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39371715

The USSR ruined Estonia, a country that was on the rise after gaining its first independence a few decades before being invaded again. It was starting to rival Nordic economies.

>eliminated poverty
>end of famine in Eastern Europe
>higher calorie consumption than USA
>99% literacy race
>doubled life expectancy
Brainwashing in action.

If hes an actual communist arguing against Jow Forumss strawmen which have nothing to do with communism is not going to do anything. Maybe try reading marx :^)

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>nothing to do with communism.
Except every single place communism is executed this happens, because it´s on purpose that they mass murder people, it´s on purpose that it creates total incompetence by destroying all the smart people and putting stupid people in charge. We don´t care about marx the jew. You are such a mindcontrolled NPC. And the jews just love gullible people such as yourself who go along with your own destruction thinking you are doing a good thing. Jews want a servant race that is dumber than them to guarantee them being permanent uppper class. And idiots like you are helping it happen thinking you´re a genius because you read the dumbass karl marx whos entire philosophy is designed to destroy western civilization. This is why the jews developed it, why they funded the soviet communists who massmurderede 66 million people. And why they were in control of the secret police that did the killings, aswell as governement and leaders of those who lead the revolution.

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wtf...

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If you don´t realize that jews are evil, you don´t get to call yourself redpilled whatsoever. They boast in various books about how they lead revolution in russia which was basically persecuted jews in russia, rose and took over russia and slaughtered 66 million russians as vengeance over the russians not liking to have them there. They boast about how they destroy the western family unit, how they debase western values with pornography for example. They think it´s funny. Infact the only reason people don´t realize how evil jews are just objectively. Are two mind control things. a) antisemite/racism. A term literally developed by them to give themselves immunity from critique. Throw that out. It´s like a murderer saying i´m murdering you but you can´t call me murderer or be angry with me. And the other is biblical misunderstandings. Where they similarly try to grant themselves immunity by brainwash in the minds of men by claiming they are gods chosen. This is obviously a fraud. This is the only reason.

The second one is probably my favourite. A jew can be caught with pants down and argue..
>dude you can´t say i did something bad, or god will punish you. Don´t you know god likes jews.
>ooh i guess you´ll have to get away with it because i want to go to heaven.
Don´t you see how convenient that is? You fucking morons, stop letting them get away with it. No i´m pretty much 100% certain god does not like jews whatsoever, if he did, that was a LONG TIME AGO. HAHAHA

The point of communism is that its extrapolated from dialectical materialism. History moves in stages, and each of these stages has and oppressor class and a subjugated class. This history set in motion when humans discovered private property in the neolithic and transitioned from primitive communism, where everything was owned by everyone, into a stratified slave society where people were owned, then to a feudal society where the aristocracy owned the land and oppressed the peasants to capitalist society where the bourgeoisie own the means of production and oppress the proletariat. Each of these stages have inherent contradictions and they build up until there is a re-structuring event called a revolution. For example, the English Civil war was a bourgeois revolution against the aristocracy. It has nothing to do with "western civilization". Alsop, Communism built the USSR and China. They worked perfectly until they were usurped by revisionists and opportunists in the 50's and 80's respectively.

>and slaughtered 66 million russians
STALIN KILLED 50 GORILLION RUSSIANS WITH HIS BARE HANDS! SOURCE? HEH, READ THIS BOOK BY A GUY WHO WORKS FOR THE ANTI-SOVIET PROPAGANDA SECTION OF MI5 YOU DUMB GOMMIES!

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This. Stalin can be blamed for 21 million deaths at most and even that is stretching it since many died to things he did not control

Reminder that the "holodomor" was a myth invented by the Hearst press (a nazi publication) and Ukrainian kulaks who were buttblasted they weren't allow to have a monopoly on grain anymore so they joined the Nazis.

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(((Socialism))) in the USSR started the first major famines in centuries that could not be covered by neighboring regions, and turned a nation which didn't need food rationing during all-out war under tsarism into a nation that had to import grain from its enemies (blessed be american capitalism, because it can stomach selling food to your ideological enemy). Imagine getting indebted to some interventionist who's shooting at you. Only after Socialism was replaced with Stalinist dictatorship did the situation start stabilizing somewhat.

For all its shittiness, the USSR actually managed to be beneficial in some way to your freezing swamp. Without the USSR, the lot of you would have already fled the country, as you are doing now with 30 years of capitalism. You're living under democratic capitalism literally almost as long as under communism, and your people are still fleeing the country the same way they were in the 90s. After 30 years of the comparatively less stable Stalinist government, the Soviets touched the great nothingness beyond the thinnest air

damage control. There´s a reason why 200 years together is barely able to be read in english. Because they don´t want dumb cunts like you to understand what it says. You can go order it in russian right now no problem though.

Goodness, an actual argument on Jow Forums. I wish i could respond to this in detail but im going to bed. However apart from some nitpicking (how it can claim natsoc is pro gun when and marx is anti gun i have no idea), there would be two main points.
1. The pure materialistic quality of communism is not a negative thing, as it leaves room for whatever ideology you want to hold. By its own admission natsoc requires you to join its spiritual ideology to participate in its economic one. It should not be mistaken to think communism is anti-ideological, it is merely a-ideological. Yes, there are some socialists who are anti-ideological, which is itself an ideology they are free to have.

2. By not abolishing class but trying to live with it natsoc sets itself up for inevitable failure, because power ultimately corrupts, it even admits something similar in the infographic. But by abolishing class there is no way for one person to have dramatically different power over another, for political power stems from wealth, and wealth in a classless system with no ownership is restricted to what your labor can produce. Therefore while complete equality of political power would not be achieved because not everyone is equal, your scale is the least man to the greatest man, instead of the least man to someone who is exploiting and profiting from the labor of countless men.

It is an infographic which requires thought. Its your best bed OP but i am doubtful your brother is actually a communist in the first place. There are only two kinds of people who call themselves communists in the modern world. Stupid liberals or people who have probably already been fascists for a while. There is just so much more exposure to fascism in the media that its the first alternate ideology you come across if you become dissatisfied with the mainstream liberalism/capitalism. Its the enticing forbidden fruit, not marx.

History is the same shit every time with paint changes. Is a peasant any different to a king than a slave to a pharaoh? Are the wage-taker and the wage-giver different to their predecessors in anything but name? Even the "primitive communism" bit is horseshit - back then it was the patriarch, his kids, and 20 bitches. Capitalism is eternal

Oh and if i have to hear one more time about how jesus is a jew or something. I feel like slapping someone really hard. Jews hated christianity in europe, they HATED IT, because here´s a book that specifically tells the christians watch out for those jews they are terrible and they killed jesus and the prophets and are contrary to all men. Jews even hated the cross, just the cross just the symbol. They hated it so much that they wrote a circle on the immigration papers on ellis island instead of an x. Hence the term kike which is short for the yiddish word kikel which means circle. Also people who go jews are the bible people. No. They´re not. The jews don´t follow the new or old testament. A lot of them have never even READ THEM. especially the new testament, but even the old testament. No what people who practice judaism do is they follow the tanakh. But anyways i can easily understand people who go well there´s this book that says that jews are chosen by god. And they go. Well this is obviously insane, wrong or a hoax because the jews are terrible deceptive people.

>For all its shittiness, the USSR actually managed to be beneficial in some way to your freezing swamp.
I just told you the USSR ruined the country when it was starting to catch up. Right now, more and more people are moving here because of the increasing life conditions and opportunities in certain sectors (Tech mostly).

just tell him that you agree with him with the hole "seize the means of production" meme but only because the people that hold the most means of production are jews

*sorry follow the talmud

What are you talking about, there was a major famine in 1891 and people were in constant hunger. The difference between the 1932 famine and life under the Tsar was that people had actually gotten used to having a nutritious diet and many deaths would have been avoided if the kulaks hadn't tried to extort Stalin and hoard all the grain. That's why they had to be liquidated.

Reminder that Solzhenitsyn was a fiction writer, his works are about as useful to history as Harry Potter.

You're objectively wrong. Capitalism is characterized by collective production. We can see that capitalism is not "natural" and is indeed a different stage of history because we can trace its origins back to the enclosure movement in Britain and we saw for our own eyes the new system past capitalism in the socialism of the USSR, China, NK and so on. If you believe they were all just "capitalism", capitalism is rendered arbitrary.

>when it was starting to catch up
Except that's the bit that only lives in your mind, it's not based in reality. The Baltic 3 have no resources and had no industry back then. Fishing died there long ago. Forced central economic injections into the region were basically CPR for your dead memelands. Of all the people who've suffered in the USSR, all the nations squashed by communism - you are not one of them. Had your country an uninterrupted capitalist government for the past century, it would have been completely depopulated by now.

You do realize the soviets were notorious for lying about everything right? Aswell as project their own doings onto others. For example. Execution by gas. Done by the soviets. First example was a bread truck with inverted exhaust during the great purge. So they think they gonna get bred they go in close the door kill them by exhaust. A jew invented that btw. Then they moved to gas chambers. Death camps? gulags. Check. Mass extermination of anyone who dared to disagree with the communists or just someone who they didn´t like including other communists. Declared opposition and picked up by nkvd and liquidated. Check. You can go on and on. Including that it was only after the fall of the soviet union that the accurate numbers came out about the 'holochaust'. Turns out the russians had been sitting on the real numbers the whole fucking time. went from 6 million to around a million or something. And the fake chimneys etc. they did to the work camps near their territory was fucking hilarious. In order to basically villify nazi germany. It´s just a fucking mistake that it made it into the history books. The national socialists tried to invade russia to stop the communists jews. Ofcourse the commmunists are going to start saying national socialist in germany did bad things and lie about it. In order to make their enemy look bad. This is why whilst russia had actual death camps for the russians, for their 'own people'. The only death camps they could find was ofcourse the 6 closest to the commie soviets, and inspected by them. All the ones inspected by the allies turned up nothing.

>Reminder that Solzhenitsyn was a fiction writer, his works are about as useful to history as Harry Potter.
You´re a jew aren´t you?

No I just don't use story books written by anti-patriotic traitors as evidence.

>it's not based in reality.
Proceeds to outline some fantasy. Ok then.

>anti-patriotic traitors as evidence.
He was actually a patriot. This is why he wanted to talk about his own people being murdered by a revolution lead by jews with fake russian names who HATED HIS PEOPLE.
>anti patriotic traitors.
Exclude any books jews have written then.
>holodomor was invented
You spelled holochaust wrong.

>What are you talking about
I'm talking about red guard morons taking all the grain from peasants and leaving nothing to sow in the next cycle. Communists are THAT dumb. Previous "famines" in the last 500 years up to Russian Communism were results of regional drought/disease/both, and were alleviated by aid from neighboring regions/countries. Russian Communism created an unprecedented famine that required the new "government" (a bunch of theorist brainlets) deplete century-old gold reserves to buy food.

Abstract capitalism represents the natural order that even an ancap society would lead to. Feudalism, slavery, bourgeois capitalism, oligarchy etc. are all shells over the same decision-making process. Military juntas and communism are artificial societal constructs that always forget some detail (because they are unnatural, artificial) and fail on systemic misallocation and inefficiency, where one part of the economy must forcefully subsidize another because they cannot reach a natural equilibrium of mutual need and supply. It's literally churning out black-and-white TVs 20 years into the colored age because "it's good for the system"

What resources do you have then, apart from wood and mud? Depleted fisheries? Snow? Prostitutes and Olympians?

Take half his shit.

>0% unemployment
True, because everyone was literally enslaved

>saved the world from Nazi Germany
You had to beg the Americans to feed your starving populace SPAM, moron.

Citation needed for everything else, memer retard.

No he wasn't a "patriot". He disseminated fictional propaganda against the USSR that the Americans use to this day to revise history and turn people against it. You notice this quite a lot with fascists, they're not actually patriots and whenever a movement for the people and not the ruling classes comes along they cry and beg for foreign intervention. Franco? Because grovel to Germany and Italy for help. Pinochet? Better request the US and UK to overthrow the democratically elected government! You're not patriots, you don't even know what it means.

The first paragraph is just false. The 1921 famine was caused by both bad weather and the civil war. The 1932 famine was caused by bad weather conditions. The 1921 famine was unavoidable, there were too many people displaced and made into refugees by the civil war. The 1932 famine could have been prevented if the kulaks had sold their grain at a fixed price like Stalin told them to, however, they wanted to sell the government it at extortion prices, which meant they had to go. You can't a fifth column in your country that effectively controls who gets to eat and who doesn't.

Your second paragraph in nonsense again. Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production characterized by the collectivization of production and individual distribution. Socialism is when you have collective production and collective distribution.

>enslaved
No they weren't. You didn't have to work, its just that if you didn't, you didn't get a wage.

>"YOU ARE BULLSHIEET"
How come Indian turbocapitalist Tata and his heirs have never faced a strike in 2 centuries of mining?
How come every non-capitalist system around the world collapsed or is collapsing?
How come wealth inequality creates more stability and less death due to misallocation?
Why didn't the others fail when you failed? Take Democratic Czechoslovakia as an example - it was even worse off than you, it gangraped by communists and Hungarian nationalists at its birth, it had to be saved by Italian intervention armies and the land was starving because all the men were either dead or stuck in the Russian Free-for-all, and they still managed to produce ultracapitalist Bata, who built canals between rivers using proceeds from selling cheap shoes.

I don't why Tata never faced strikes, but that's not evidence against class struggle when you have plenty of communist groups in India struggling today such as the Naxalites.

>How come every non-capitalist system around the world collapsed or is collapsing?
Because of revisionism and capitalist outside forces still existing.

>How come wealth inequality creates more stability and less death due to misallocation?
It doesn't? Where the fuck did you get that from? Capitalism and wealth inequality are unstable as fuck and lead to recession every ten or so years. A recession is literally misallocation, its caused when capitalists make too many products and the proletariat can't afford to buy them, leading to the capitalists unable to make a profit and having to close down their businesses.

Tell me this: if socialism doesn't represent a new stage of economics, then why did Khrushchev have to fundamentally reform the USSR to get it on the path back to capitalism?

Khrushchev was a political officer from the 2nd (

He did understand economics, because he exactly what to do to reverse all the progress Stalin made. When Stalin was General Secretary, the economy was truly centrally planned, with products being made to satisfy need, not for profit. Stalin said any profit was incidental and trivial, and the party was 92% workers. Khrushchev however geared the economy away from producing for need and pegged production to "indices of profit" and began to take more career politcians as members rather than the people on the ground doing work. This sowed the seeds for the later counter revolution executed by Yeltsin.

>germanic commonwealth
>immediately invades slavland
explain lad (i'm leaning on towards your side)

>A Federal Reserve bank is a privately owned corporation established pursuant to the Federal Reserve Act to serve the public interest

britannica.com/topic/Federal-Reserve-System

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Warburg

youtube.com/watch?v=ySVGAS9JkPY

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I would rather die than live complacent in a jewish society

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You're a fag
You have no political point
You're too lazy to lurk more
You're cancer
You don't have a commie brother
You're not even Italian

>explain lad
The post ww1 treaty took clay away from germany and gave to poland and others, leaving germans stranded in other countries. With people who disliked them. Germany also lost all its colonies. And this also caused starvation in germany. The lebensraum was with regards to colonies for farmland and resettlement of the german populations who were now in other countries. With regards to it being an isolationistic germanic commonwealth the plan was very simple. Identify all who are of germanic tribal ancestry. The ones the nazi's identified which people perhaps aren´t aware of are netherlands, austrians, swiss, nordics and ofcourse germany herself and a few others. Parts of the peoples of britain were also considered germanic which is why hitler pleaded with the british people for some kind of understanding. The greater germanic reich was basically an extension of the already german empire. with the post ww1 treaty of st. germaine and versailles annulled. They would not accept this treaty. And this was the pretext for declaring war with germany. Otherwise they wanted to be isolationistic. They wanted their germanic commonwealth with each nation being invited to the reich and being otherwise independent but part of it. And british stay who they are french stay who they are everybody stay who they are. You could not be citizen of the reich without ahnenpass. You had to document that you were of german lineage. You could live in the reich as non germanic tribe. However you could then not participate in politics and vote and change german legislation. This ruled out any foreign influence. This is what they spin into that germans wanted to take over all of eeurope and kill all non germans since only germans could be citizens, this is pure baloney. THE REASON behind this was that they percieved the jews would try to annihilate germans like they did to the russians! So they wanted to prevent this annihilation of their peoples! And make bullwark to russia

Here is a jew talking about hitlers beliefs with regards to this, apparently this rabbi was in shock since he had been gaslighted by his fellow jews about what hitler and the natsoc believed in. .
youtube.com/watch?v=rclurGtZoOg
Contrary to the pro commie spinnsters in here who want to first downplay what the bolsheviks and commies did to the russians. What they don´t want you to talk about is that this was spearheaded by jews this 'revolution' controlled by jews with FAKE RUSSIAN NAMES letvinov real name finkelstein. Trotsky real name bronstein. And financed by jewery in the US and other places. These same jewry also tried around the same time frame to make a communist revolution in germany which failed. Natsoc was the primary ones who fought the communist overthrow of germany. And ended up being the only party. When the war declaration came against germany, they percieved it an attempt to annhilate the german people in the aftermath of the war, like they had done to the russians. As such the natsoc germans saw the war as a defensive war where they were fighting for the right of their people to exist. See they were aware of thinks like the coudenhove-kallergi plan in a book for example called practical idealism, which called for the miscegenation or what the natsoc considered full destruction of not only the german people but all european people, by with force creating some kind of a mixed race by mixing negroid and others with europeans by forcing them into their countries. This they did not want to allow.
youtube.com/watch?v=qXXbknRc1ps
But basically germans wanted isolationistic german commonwealth to deal with this threat that was to them an existential threat to their peoples. Kick the communist jews out who were plotting it. Make it so they could not influence their politics and laws if they were not germanic. And otherwise be isolationistic. And also be bullwark vs now jew controlled russia.

Instead what happened, germany got btfo on all sides. Tried desperately one final push towards russia to dismantle the communist regime there. German was then post war taken over by communists which caused patton to flip his lid and become a raging antisemite as you can read in the patton papers. Jews then used germans as a vehicle to create the communist EU which are now implementing the coudenhove kallergi plan that was penned in 1925 which the natsoc were aware of. Basically what is happening with the EU is the direct opposite of what natsoc wanted, and what is happening is everything they were fighting against occurring. Because they knew this was what they wanted to do. And ofcourse the commies took over parts of eastern europe which was very bad for them. Those that had been anti communists were just rounded up and executed.

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o fuc
dyin of laughter over here

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EVEN MORE REASONS TO LOVE PAPA ADOLF

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where did the jews come from in russia though. did they go through anatolia or caucasia

Be a better person. Be somebody that looks up to him. You won't have to tell him anything if you yourself tries to become a better and smarter person. Pushing your ideas on him will only make him more defensive. We all know how much harder it is to learn from your mistakes. Be the guy who he idolizes and who doesn't care if he fucks up