Just saw this film. I must say it's a great piece of cinematic art, but couln't stop questioning the historic accuracy of the events depicted. Nazis are shown as caricatures of evil. Sadistic cowards, perverts and ultimately weak, while the soviet subjects are always innocent and heroic. What do you niggers think, have you seen this movie?
Soviet Propaganda?
Brody Foster
Gavin Stewart
Liam Fisher
Owen Rivera
best response eva
James Brooks
Russian movie for russians. Wtf did you expect a snuff movie about raping all europe?
Chase Smith
The war in Belarus was pretty fucking terrible. I think a quarter of the population died from the occupation. The Germans were indiscriminate in killing civilians there. My grandfather was a builder post war in Belarus. He had German POWs crews, and he had to protected them from the civilians who had tried on more than one occasion to kill them off. He even put some artist from general work into some light duties. But the population really remembers the nazis as is depicted in the movie. Entire villages were burned down with all the people in them. Millions of people died in Belarus alone. You could still find tanks and other machines in the swamps there. Every major construction would find some bombs in the ground up until recently. Minsk was leveled.
Eli Taylor
I didn't expect anything but entertainment which I got. The film is superbly shot and acted. Poor kid must've been traumatized, he seems to age 50 years in the few days the story in the film takes place.
More than a calculated propagandistic effort like seems to suggest, this movie appears to be an emotional reaction to terrible untold story. Also it was co-written by a jew so anti-hitler bias is expected.
Have you guys seen it?
Ethan Barnes
I tried watching it. It's sad. It seems like it's based on real events. The truth was that civilians would get killed from every side in Belarus. The Germans would randomly kill, Soviets killed after the Germans on suspicions of collaborations. Partisans were more like bandits than liberators. You'd get smoked for no reason there. And the Germans didn't even shoot most people, they burned groups in barns. It was fucked up. If you talked to the people who survived it, they reach for the guns when they hear German.
Austin Miller
do they hate Russians as much?
Nolan Torres
A more realistic, non soviet propaganda film would've been about the villagers being fucked on one side by hitler and on the other by stalin, I suppose.
You should try watching again, one of the best films I've seen.
Mason Martin
Not the Russians, the communists were not particularly liked. Belarus is the Russians for the most parts. They are the Russians who lived under the Polish rule. Now there is a whole new ethos, but before the independence it was just a part of Russia.
Isaiah Richardson
Almost all soviet movies before may be 1980 is 100% propaganda.
Because only government had right to make movies. And censorship of course.
Jayden Reed
Stalin was less destructive than the Germans. A lot of people remembered the Germans from WW1, so nobody ran from the Germans. That was a mistake. Stalin didn't kill a fraction of people the Germans did. He was terrible, but not nearly as murderous.
Hunter Peterson
Stalin sure killed a lot of Jews
Parker Scott
What's missing from the narrative is that Belarus doesn't have salt and depends on import of salt. The Germans didn't import anything while under the occupation. Including salt. People were starving and dying, that's why they went into the forest. But no salt causes all kinds of health issues. The Germans were trying to wipe out the population. Stalin, however terrible he was, was not after wiping out the entire population.
Brayden Morales
Thank you for your accurate knowledge.
Gavin Gutierrez
Also what other soviet propaganda films are as good as this?
Have you seen The Ascent? made by Come an See director's wife Larisa Shepitko. I'd take this to /tv/ but fags over there just discuss capeshit.
Ryan Anderson
>leftists
>pol
Carter Howard
I think you can find a list of best soviet movies. Somebody already had this questions.
Blake Perry
yeah a list made by some shills
Liam Ward
can somebody give me a quick rundown of the movie
thinking of dling but dont trust imdb these days
Joseph Martin
Nazis were beginners in killing compared to communists. The constant propaganda about nazis being the ultimate evil is why people make such statements as you.
Ryan Stewart
Don't know about "best" but ive seen brother, the major, the fool, white tiger, another movie about war can't remember the name but it's about a fortress/military barracks sieged by germans, stalingrad(the last one but it's lame)
Brody Cruz
Havent seen it ,did it include the sovjet invasion of east poland and the attack on finnland too
Levi Howard
The Germans were pretty determined to wipe out the entire population, and the communists were pretty fucking bad, the choice of communists is not so bad when you face extinction in a few years, isn't it? It was the nazis who wiped out a quarter of the civilian population in a few years. How much more successful would they have been if they were given a decade? Meanwhile, the communists in Belarus were mostly killing other communists or nazis, so I don't know why would the population chose the communists. It's not like the Germans were fought against off the get go.
Gabriel Walker
Basically what you said is true for Baltics if you exchange ''communist'' with ''Germans/nazis''. Germans were seen as liberators after communist led genocide and thievery. I guess it depends on region.
Logan Cooper
>Nazis are shown as caricatures of evil. Sadistic cowards, perverts and ultimately weak, while the soviet subjects are always innocent and heroic.
It is realistic don't know what's the problem.
Alexander Scott
>Belarus doesn't have salt
Is that a fact? I'm pretty sure the pack of salt I bought the other day is made in Belarus.
Asher Peterson
So are the shrimps and other stuff that is affected by the sanctions. If I had to guess, it's the Ukrainian salt that passed through Belarus.
Jayden Jackson
Hunter Russell
I also found this, and I'm sure there are others:
en.wikipedia.org
Ryder Lewis
maybe they didn't have access to it back in the day
Tyler Reyes
Super propaganda. Russian women slept with German soldiers willingly and German soldiers never actually killed civilians unless they were suspected of partizan activity.
Henry Reed
It's based on the actions of the SS Direwanger brigade which consisted of German, Russian and Ukrainian criminals. They were so sadistic that they were investigated by an SS court and were hated by other SS Einsatzgruppen units.
They destroyed an estimated 600 villages in Byelorussia, killing an estimated 30,000 people.
Austin Jones
>Germans were seen as liberators after communist led genocide and thievery. I guess it depends on region.
This. I'm pretty sure the Nazis were not too bad in the Baltics as there was never major anti-German partisans in the Baltic states (unlike most other Nazi occupied territories).
Probably because Alfred Rosenberg was a Baltic German and the Balts were not considered to be Asiatic subhuman Slavs (Rosenberg himself had mixed views on Slavs). So the Nazis occupational policies were not as bad in the Baltics. But they were terrible in Byelorussia and Ukraine.
Michael Miller
>Have you guys seen it?
Yes it's fantastic. Not as good as Ivan's Childhood though.
As for it's historical accuracy I could really care less.