I've thought a lot about this over the years and I'm still not completely settled on the matter.
Atheism pros/cons
Pros:
- it's the truth
Cons:
- it's depressing
- most jews are actually atheists
- you look autistic when you talk about it and nobody likes you (for good reason)
- there is actually a lot of civilizational value in religion
decisions, decisions
Just adopt the civilized and good values of a religion, Catholicism for example, The Ten Commandments will do, but just don't go to church. Its pretty fucking simple.
>good values of a religion
>Catholicism
Weak bait, everyone knows atheism is not the truth.
do you also believe in Santa Claus?
>it's the truth
incorrect!
>it's the truth
Enough of a reason to like it. Denying objective truth is bluepilled.
>it's depressing
B L U E P I L L
>most jews are actually atheists
And most jews have power *thinking emoji*
>you look autistic when you talk about it and nobody likes you (for good reason)
Just don't fucking talk about it then, unless mongs start religioning in public and hassle you
>there is actually a lot of civilizational value in religion
There's also a lot of nutritional value in breast milk, but we stop drinking that after a certain level of development. Also Islam...
Yes, Santa = Satan. How much do you know about the origins of Santa?
Catholicism = socialism and rapefugess
OP you have to realize that science is just as much a religion as supernatural mumbo jumbo. Some smart-looking magic nigga in a wheelchair doesn't really know or have any idea about the ultimate fate of the universe or how it all started, its just TV and other media, including "educational" media that plants the idea that magic academic knows all that shit.
My degree in astronomy taught me that. There is all sorts of evidence out there which is inexplicable under the big bang theory and yet the astronomers all take big bang as gospel and collude to destroy the careers of those who challenge it.
you're just talking about pop sci
>Testing and observing shit + maths = blind guesses from thousands of years ago
Burger education, folks
The Bible is actually true. Every single verse. Its the final redpill. Go be a libcuck atheist moron somewhere else, on Jow Forums we deal with the truth as a collective of thinkers of above average intelligence
A lot of really smart people, engineers, the REAL scientists and good programmers, ask them in private every single one will say atheism is fucking bullshit. You've just been programmed with jew shit so hard (isnt it funny THEY swear by the Torah?) you just knee jerk respond with your cuck little phrases like omg hes his own son or that crapfest about a huge stone.
Stay a bit longer on Jow Forums and I guarantee in a year you'll be reading the bible with eyes open for the first time.
Its hardcore white people shit.
Thats not what the crusades say
old school conservative catholicism is how i was raised
Judaism (duh), Christianity, Islam and Atheism all benefits the Jews and weakens their enemies. If you believe you must choose one of those 4, then you've fallen for their scam.
>Pros: - it's the truth
People believe it is more "true" because they know shit like a Sky Daddy and Jesus/Allah are fake. But in fact, Atheism is ignorance (disguised as wisdom) and if you are/become Atheist it doesn't mean you've freed yourself from the mental disease that the Abrahamic religions are. Most Atheists are actually very Christian in their mindset and view/understanding of the world and life, without knowing it - the poison is still going around inside their mind, the only difference is they don't believe in the desert gods. The vast majority of Atheists are, in fact, mentally and spiritually circumcised and castrated; just like Christians. Even if they've been Atheist all their life. Because they grow up in a society permeated by Abrahamic/Christian ideas (such as slave mentality, submission to authority, pacifism, equality etc), and also one must remember that generation after generation was brainwashed and dumbed down by the Church, so people today are born already weakened (we aren't born a clean slate; we have the genetic memory of our ancestors, we are effected by what they experienced -- if your people for many generations live under terror and in fear, then that will show in the future descendants even if they grow up in a different world).
Big Bang = God’s Creation
Evolution = The 7 days of Creation
Moon rocks = Religious Relics / a piece of a Saint or of Jesus himself)
Man/robots on the Moon/Mars! = Miracles!
Scientifically proven = ‘God wills it’ (Deus vult)
Scientific theories = Bible
Scientific method = Religious tradition/rites
Diploma = Decree from the Pope
Nobel prize winners = Saints
Layman = Heretic
Lectures = Mass
Scientist = Priest
Albert Einstein = Jesus/God
Dissident (questioning official theories) = Infidel
Taxes = Church taxes
>tfw you worship a dead kike on a stick because some sand niggers wrote about it in a book 1000 years ago
>it's the truth
truths require proof
go on
Just be an agnostic that doesnt whine about christianity, problem solved.
fine for social situations but unacceptable for personal beliefs desu, pick a side weak-willed goof
>What actually happened
>Do the raiding
The truth
This. Read this: archive.is
What do you think of the big bang and string theory matching the origins of the universe according to kabbalah?
serious question
if god created man
who created god?
The Creator is all the Eternally Pre-Existant One. Hence: The Great I Am, of the I Am That I am.
What does that mean?
it means he doesn't know or have a legitimate answer
>(((Cultural Christianity)))
>I can benefit from a society predicated on a belief system without actually having to adopt said beliefs.
what provides morals in an atheistic society?
>it's the truth
How do you know that for sure? The problem with militant atheism today is that they are convinced that "truth" and "facts" are on their side. But the actual fact of the matter is they can no more prove that there is no supreme being(s) than believers can prove that there is.
It would be ethically driven, but lacking the moral compass that allows those ethics to be put into practice.
You're right, but that's not exactly a great testimonial for Christianity in particular—one of any number of fantastical stories, no different than Scientology
Just because someone is smart doesn't mean they don't have a coping mechanism. In fact, I'd venture that most very high IQ people actually NEED religion because they're statistically more likely to be depressed.
What is it about atheism that is bullshit? Do you mean everything surrounding the "cult" of atheism, or simply the non-belief in a creator?
Morality has to have an authority to establish and maintain it. Atheism rejects the notion transcendental, so all morality would have to come from social construction.
>- it's the truth
You don't even know what atheism means. How can you prove an axiomatically unprovable negative?
I can see your point here. In religion, beliefs tend to be more faith driven. But the issue I have with New Atheism is their false belief that science automatically backs their "side" in the debate. The only thing science can do is disprove some of the myths you find in religious texts, but it can't completely debunk religious belief in a supreme being.
Q. 1. What is the chief end of man?
A. Man’s chief end is to glorify God,[1] and to enjoy him forever.[2]
t. Westminster Catechism
Atheists are an evolutionary dead-end.
how do you know mohammad wasn't legit
the truth is right in front of your NPC eyes. you've decided to just believe 1 religion more than me and you're still dismissing the infinite number of other ones that have existed
how?
>pick a side
There's no evidence one way or the other. Heard of skepticism?
occam's razor says that a bunch of desert niggers took a lot of opium and made it up to get people to treat them like they're special
I've never found a single true atheist here. Atheism is literally the subset of agnostics who are also conformists.
That's just propaganda to make first world K-selected populations keep funneling resources into third world r-selected populations.
We don't approve of that shit here, go apply for a Soros grant you stupid nigger.
I don't believe in god, so I'm an atheist I guess.
This is a nice fanfiction but all of what you wrote is complete bullshit.
No one thinks like that.
Humans don't need religion to have morals.
Many Christians are complete immoral degenerates.
I'm not religion and i don't believe in God but I have morals and I'm not a degenerate.
The New Atheism movement was a psyop to radicalize Christians in the hopes they'd chimp out, giving Islam & anti-theist lefts a high ground.
When pop atheists like Dawkins started dropping redpills and more atheists started turning rightwing, (((they))) started "Atheism+" to try and co-opt it again.
When that failed, they pushed the hat meme to kill & make an example of it.
We must bring the light of Christianity to the heretics! Deus vult!
Cute.
Why is christ-chan the ugliest Jow Forums grill?
>Pros:
- it's the truth
It also give you the freedom to think what you want and fap to whatever you want. In other words, it's good for self-actualisation, which has always been the real key to happiness and success.
>- it's depressing
It's only depressing if you don't use the newfound creative and intellectual liberty that you now possess.
>- most jews are actually atheists
No.
>- you look autistic when you talk about it
If some people have a bigoted attitude towards those on the autistic spectrum, that's THEIR problem.
Aspies aren't that bad. They are the opposite of NPCs if you think about it.
>nobody likes you (for good reason)
Nobody will like you if you oversimplify the Bible and act like it has no truth in it at all. Atheists who analyse the Bible from a historical and archeological perspective earn more respect.
>- there is actually a lot of civilizational value in religion
There is more civilizational value in formal logic, which theists usually either misrepresent or disregard outright.
The Ten Commandments are not necessary. Most people already don't want to hurt others or cause a fuss, which is why the Biblical laws against killing and stealing are irrelevant. The law (modern law, not Biblical law) exists to restrain the few people in this world who have no internal moral compass I.E. sociopaths. Biblical laws don't deter sociopaths at all.
Most of the other commandments are not valuable at all. For example, "Though shalt not covet." is a violation of freedom of thought, which is important in any society that isn't a dystopia.
Yep.
Read about the history of the Catholic Church.
"Oops, we started a war!"
"Oops, we imprisoned Galileo."
"Oops, we tried to supress democracy,"
"Oops, we started another war … and another … and another …"
Don't be stupid. Santa is based on Saint Nicholas.
Science isn't abut people "looking smart". It's about freeing yourself from bias using double-blind studies.
Yes.
The science that you see in pop science mags is dumbed down for the NPCs. If you smell something fishy, just move to more formal sources … and cut pop cultural bullshit out of your life as much as possible.
Pop culture and celebrities are cancer, which is why I hate seeing science getting ground up so that an NPC normie can chew it.
>The Bible is actually true. Every single verse. Its the final redpill.
What about the verses that contradict the other verses?
>Go be a libcuck atheist moron somewhere else, on Jow Forums we deal with the truth as a collective of thinkers of above average intelligence
Wow. You sound just as snobby as the average r/atheism user.
By the way, I don't use r/atheism because it's a bunch of teenage edgelords making memes instead of engaging in productive, formal discourse.
>A lot of really smart people, engineers, the REAL scientists and good programmers, ask them in private every single one will say atheism is fucking bullshit.
No true Scotsman fallacy. You're basically saying that any atheist scientist isn't a "real" scientist … which is nonsense.
>You've just been programmed with jew shit so hard (isnt it funny THEY swear by the Torah?) you just knee jerk respond with your cuck little phrases like omg hes his own son or that crapfest about a huge stone.
This is the same gaslighting technique that SJWs use.
"You disagree with me? Well … that's just because the patriarchy has programmed you since birth! You shouldn't argue with me anymore because you can't trust your own though processes. Instead, you should abandon logic, look inside yourself, and force yourself to accept feminist principles thoughtlessly."
You are just a right-wing version of that anti-intellectual filth.
>Stay a bit longer on Jow Forums and I guarantee in a year you'll be reading the bible with eyes open for the first time. Its hardcore white people shit.
The only white people in the Bible are the Romans, who are portrayed as evil.
There is no proof for the existence of God and the burden of proof lies on the person who makes the claim, not the person who rejects it.
Are you an atheist?
look, i get you..
believe in what keeps you going; it's narrow minded to think you'll burn in eternal hellfire for X or Y, but God does offer solace where atheism and realism don't.
human psychology is complex, and you were already raised in a certain spirit, so you hold certain beliefs and world views ergo my best guess would be doing what you find morally correct is the way to go, even if morality changes with life experience
it's a good question, and if you disregard the eternal shilling and shitposting, i'm sure you'll find many people genuinely interested in the topic
philosophy gave us more headaches than answers during the aeons, but to entertain an idea without having to accept it is the mark of an educated mind, to quote :)
I just did some quick research. Sefer Yetzirah (the book of the Kabballah which discusses the origin of the universe) just echoes the creation story from the Bible and the Torah … so you're full of shit.
Further to elaborate, i believe it is a matter of perspective; God comes from within, and you need to set your expectations towards what God is to you before you can find true reason behind it.
Alternatively, in lack of a God or purpose - if you think about it objectively, we are part of the universe trying to understand itself, which is fascinating on it's own as a concept.
again, believe in what keeps you going..we have no certainties, only questions - and it's magnificent that we do
Joe Pesci
Where in the bible creation story does it talk about the 10 vessels?
How does it make sense for God to not have a creator if everything else allegedly needs a creator?
MOAR!
God is objectively real in a way - but again, it's a matter of perspective.
He is definitely real in the sense that the concept of God regardless of religion has affected history more than any other social construct. it influenced the world into what it is today, so in that sense god is more real than anything you or me could ever tangibly to on our own.
1. Human neurology
2. Political law
t. I don't know how evolution or science works
also nothing can ever be proven by science. that's not how science works dipshit
Don't be stupid. Santa is based on Odin. See how stupid you sound? Saint Nic didn't climb down the chimneys. It was said to be a demonic being he controlled that did it. Also, there are details of Santa that relate to Saturn, such as he rules at the North Pole, his name being an anagram of Satan, etc.
>Everything is a psyop.
Fuck off.
Atheism dies with fedora meme. Just quit it already.
I wouldn't call her ugly. I just hate her because she's even more pompous than the atheists she mocks.
Yes.
It's why the New Testament calls believers "the elect", meaning the chosen ones. Paul also believed in predestination. Believers were CHOSEN by God to be believers. All you others are going to be ass raped by Satan for eternity. Bring the ky.
I've got a question for anyone here who truly identifies himself as a devout christian:
Given you were born in 300AD in the Amazon rain forest and you had absolutely no clue about God or his teachings and whatnot, however you abide by your local religion, as that is the best your people know.
That religion implies human sacrifice (i.e), which goes against christian teachings.
Now, my question is - will that person go to hell? According to the Bible, he will...so why?
Is God moral? Is he applying different morals? Is he fair? Who decides what fair means?
there's too much mental gymnastics needed in order to be a devout believer
That was a new thing that the Kabballah added … but the Kabballah creation myth still talks about Eden and all that. It just elaborates further, since the Bible doesn't describe Eden in great detail.
Anyways, there's nothing in science about "ten vessels" being involved in the creation of the universe.
>burden of proof lies on the person who makes the claim
Also applies to atheists.
so, you have the certainty that there is no God?
we barely understand basic universal laws - how can you make that bold assumption?
you sadden me, leaf
>it's the truth
But you don't know, nor can you know that for a fact.
I'm telling you, there's not one person here who's an authentic atheist. If this leaf tries to argue, it'll argue for agnosticism while claiming to be an atheist.
>Don't be stupid. Santa is based on Odin.
He was only partly based on Odin. He's mostly based on Saint Nicholas.
>Also, there are details of Santa that relate to Saturn, such as he rules at the North Pole, his name being an anagram of Satan, etc.
I'm pretty sure that Saturn lived on Mount Olympus, given that he was just Chronos with a different name.
>civilizational value
Your idea of civilization revolves around being controlled and complacent.
>Implying that thousands of years of philosophy is suddenly rendered moot by a meme of a fat guy wearing a hat that you don't like.
You'll have to try harder than that.
>it'll argue
subtle, i like you.
Yeah, I agree - hence my comment towards him...i think it's incredibly narrow minded to make a such a bold statement as there is no god (at least in the creator sense).
In a way, the universe is God. Existence itself is God... perspective, perspective
No it doesn't.
Atheism isn't a theological position. It is a lack of one.
God of the Gaps is a logical fallacy.
Oh, but it is.
t. incel
>muh relativism
>God of the Gaps is a logical fallacy.
i'm not familiar with the term, i'm sorry - elaborate please.
>muh relativism
we're all individually the center of our own universe from a conscious point of view, so i doubt you can argue against perspective being the principle driving motive behind belief
Con
Tolerating religion means tolerating Islam
Islam is an expansionist theocracy by design and will eliminate all opposition if tolerated
Any "atheists" who don't positively affirm that there's no God aren't really atheists, they're "I'm not sure"s.
You aren't an atheist, you just want to fulfill a religious need by identifying with a noncommittal religion.
Nigger that's a shit attempt to explain your non-answer with poetic word games.
>hits blunt
>It just is because it is broooooooooo
>whoooooaaaa it all makes sense
>You aren't an atheist, you just want to fulfill a religious need by identifying with a noncommittal religion.
I agree. in essence, not believing in god, is in itself a religion at least from a "need to fulfill" human psychological need, point of view
What is god if not our need to rationalize?
Isn't someone who positively claims there isn't a god, technically anti-theist?
there is a truth regardless of "b-b-but different perspectives bro"
if you jump off a building you WILL go splat. that is a non-relative truth
we were talking about belief, not objective realities.
belief is based on personal experience and perspective over the world.
plus, it's kind of like comparing apples and machine guns what you did right there and you know it.
