Europe don't want to give the UK a good deal as it may act as an incentive to other countries. Because of the poor way negotiations have gone (assuming negotiations and deadlines aren't extended) PM May will return to parliament with her deal, will be defeated in parliament and be forced out. A eurosceptic candidate will take her place (possibly Boris) and we will have a general election. This will probably mean a no deal brexit. This will mean greater alignment between the UK and US and a further move away from multilateralism.
Things will be fine. Have you noticed how the U.K. and EU immediately align when it comes to backing the Iran deal or Russia is being mean? It’s like they don’t even have to meet and discuss anything. But suddenly talk moves to brexit and it’s an utter shit fight, a question about Iran, totally best friends forever, brexit? you’re all going to starve.
Justin Flores
It seems labour will strike down any deal brought back to parliament. Presumably the hypothetical election would have to take place before the deadline leave date. The messages about Europe have been quite mixed from labour. What would labours position on Europe be? There wouldn't be time for them to negotiate a new deal if they won the election. So presumably they would want to negotiate some kind of deal afterwards which would be more focused on the EU than the US. The negotiations have been a total mess.
Logan Young
We should be so much more able to take care of our own business. Why did we sell off all our industry? why did we stop growing a majority of our own food? To be so reliant on others makes us very weak
Dominic Moore
We will be fine, people are used to the scare stories by now. Was really just thinking about the directions things are going. Trump made a speech at the UN the other day rejecting globalism, then yesterday May gave a speech rebuking trump saying the solutions to world problems like Iran was multilateralism.
I see it as the Europeans have handled negotiations so badly that we will be forced to distance ourselves from the EU and move closer to adoption of US positions. This will mean and end to us immediately aligning on issues like Iran and Russia with the EU.
Jose Ramirez
Labour will strike down any deal that doesnt meet their "fairness test" or whatever they're currently calling it. In practice it would be impossible to meet the criteria of the test since fulfilling all criteria would be identical to never having left in the first place. They are simply attempting to not look like they are being wilfully obstructive. Corbyn / McDonnell are both die hard leavers since membership of the E.U prevents their commie fantasy of renationalising everything. However they are also diehard commies who would happily see the third world flood our borders. I think even though they want out, they want power more and this latest jockeying for position by Labour on brexit is an attempt to satisfy the younger stupider voters who flocked to him last election.
kinda my thinking too. So they along with Conservatives block any deal. This leads to May being forced out and a general election to take place, which Corbyn has said he wants to take place. I'm not as sure as you as to what Labours position with the EU will be. They would rather try and align with the left wing parties of Europe than with the US. I would imagine a Eurosceptic force would take control of the conservatives and move them further to the right and closer towards the US, which would basically align us with whatever US position they took. This would make the idea of multilateralism that the EU keep going on about fall apart. In attempting to stop the UK getting a good deal they are going to force us away and further damage their idea of world order. Unless they think labour can win and that is what they are hoping for. It seems they have shot themselves in their own foot with the negotiations
Angel Evans
corbyn is anti brexit.
Brexit means Brexit, which is full brexit, not some corporate-controlled customs-union half measure.
>It seems labour will strike down any deal brought back to parliament. They've always been cryptocorrupt. The elitist fucks. Compliments of the billionaire EU lobby who outscored everything to Asia during Thatcher.
>Germany becoming Russia's butt-buddy >Italy causing trouble with their friends in Poland and Hungary >UK and USA frenship league
Global politics are re-aligning
Josiah Morris
>re-aligning no because politicians and the EU cartel no longer has ANY confidence amongst the people.
Daniel Ward
Imagine Boris as PM. And all the screaming when they discover that he actually isn't an idiot.
Hudson Cooper
Then the political system of Europe itself is re-aligning
Also I forgot to mention India moving closer to America and Japan re-militarizing to counter the yellow jews in Beiching.
Nolan Richardson
which goes against the EU idea of a rule based world working towards multilateralism.
>political system of Europe itself is re-aligning
This is kinda my point. If they don't make a deal which keeps the UK in the EU fold (which looks almost impossible now) they will be destroying the political system they have been working towards and may eventually lead to the collapse the the EU. They have messed up with their negotiations by putting the UK in a position of no manoeuvre.
Jonathan Smith
desu a no deal brexit then corbyn as PM after it's done is the ideal outcome. I know he's a fuckhead communist and I didn't want this for a long time but the Jews are seriously shitting themselves about him, he's a retarded fuckhead but he's incorruptible and will expose them bigtime and Jews really are that bad.
>Europe don't want to give the UK a good deal as it may act as an incentive to other countries.
Uk wants the benefits of being in the EU without being a contributing member. Think about the EU what you want but the UK are dirty kikes and deserve the worst possible outcome.
>Europe don't want to give the UK a good deal as it may act as an incentive to other countries
That is a myth. The best deal the EU can legally offer is a Canada style FTA. The only more integrated option is single market membership like Norway and Switzerland, but this option has been turned down by the UK.
There seriously isn’t anything else. And the Canada deal is damn good, no tariffs on 99 percent of goods trade and investment protection rules.
Alexander White
Prepare to get Angloed my dude. Whatever is the worst possible course of action is what will be taken to punish the population for their incorrect vote.
Lincoln Fisher
aware of that, but by not giving a good deal (which looks likely) and because of domestic British politics they could force the UK to massively pivot towards the US, that means on international issues like Iran, the UN or the IOC for example we will back whatever they say. This will effect the way power is distributed in the international system and lead to countries to do what is in their best interest rather than following international norms. That will present EU with just as much risk to it's survival as giving the UK a good deal in which the UK would broadly follow the EU path.
Eli Brooks
it's possible, though if he couldn't beat May who is pretty unpopular it's questionable he could beat anyone else. Also our press are really against him. At one point they seemed to think he was quite useful as he was unelectable. Now they are getting a bit worried and will go into overdrive to go against him. It maybe European negotiators actually want what you are suggesting and that is part of their strategy. It seems extraordinary risky if that is the strategy. They must be aware of British domestic politics and what the implications are if they don't give the UK a good deal that can be approved by parliament
Bentley Jackson
>Then the political system of Europe itself is re-aligning nope, populism is winning ground and the elites hate us plain and simple. They want to replace us with people more susceptible to propaganda.
Oliver Rodriguez
>Then the political system of Europe itself is re-aligning If you mean Europe as in non EU then yes, we just need to abolish the EU first because it is working against us. Brexit illustrates this, they've done everything in their power to mess it up and keep Britain in the EU, they're stalling to and I believe they will continue to do so unless people begin realizing that the EU is working against the people (the plebs) of Europe at every turn, while their own self appointed alcoholic drug-induced candidates revel in their own filth and degeneracy at the top of their Ivory tower of babel at Brussels.
Anthony Harris
>The best deal the EU can legally offer is a Canada style FTA.
That was my understanding too, though I think I heard that was not good enough the other day , something to do with services trade. In any case my point is there potentially presents a greater risk to the EU by having the UK shift away, than the risk that other countries seeing the UK get a good deal will attempt to copy their example
maybe your negotiators just suck intentionally or not I wouldn't even be suprised if your higher ups want talks to fail or even new vote
Ayden Young
If the UK can get most if not all the benefits of the single marker without A. paying any money for Eastern Europe and Southern Europe, B. without having to comply with lots of regulation that level the playing field and C. without freedom of movement... guess what, Switzerland, Iceland and Norway will want that deal too. And thereafter Sweden, Finland, Denmark... and from there you even got Austria, Czechia, France, Italy etc.
Don’t get me wrong, I actually think the UK Chequers proposal discribes the best EU possible, one without freedom of movement, no gibmees paymemts for poorer member states, limited regulatory alignments on goods and tariffs set by each country and no central judicial oversight. But this would be a NAFTA arrangement, not an EU any more. Which is why a lot of people in the EU who benefit from the bureaucracy machine are against it.
This kinda fits into what I'm saying. Populism is gaining ground, which leads to different voices fighting for different interests. For example national interests rather than EU interests. By not keeping the UK in the EU fold they will actually be strengthening the different interests of different groups.
Xavier Young
True :) The only way forth is out, the EU has chosen to represent an ideal more than the European people, and that ideal is globalization and internationalism. They do this to the cheers of their billionaire donors who rely on that union to keep their foreign-based monopolies going. But those monopolies are choking Europe so I belive all voices will eventually be opposing the EU, at least those with some sense to them. This is why the EU cracks down on free speech.
There is also the fact that migrants are more pro EU than locals. EU migrants have an incentive to be pro EU to keep their livelihoods so the whole concept of the EU becomes very undemocratic once you realize these people are allowed to vote because some of them hold British citizenships. They are allowed to decide the future of the UK without even being British. It's kind of disgusting.
which comes back to the point of not offering too good a deal which would encourage other countries to copy the practice. However the fear of this looks like it is going to push us towards a no deal which leaves the brexiters in charge and will push us away from the EU altogether. This is just as much as a threat to the EU idea of world order. I would have thought in any case other than France or Italy the other smaller countries would not be able to force such favourable terms. Because of the timing the EU are going to have accept the Chequers deal and even then that is going to be rejected by everyone here. Things are a mess and not going to work out to either parties interest. The EU have overplayed there hand. They should have offered a deal to keep the UK happy and faced whatever challenges they faced with smaller countries trying to get similar deals.
John Flores
You got the same deal as canada and declined because it was not good enough. You want a special thing better than what can reasonably be offered you cunts.
Benjamin Davis
>This will mean greater alignment between the UK and US Oceania when?
Jack Turner
That seems preferable but it is not going to happen
>Prime Minister has outright rejected these proposals, insisting she would rather see Britain exit the bloc without an agreement >“I have always said no deal is better than a bad deal.
>“I think a bad deal would be, for example, a deal that broke up the United Kingdom."
Part of the problem being that dup are holding the government together. I wasn't offering a solution, just pointing out things are a mess and the EU negotiators have messed up just as much as the UK. Apart from any economic decisions the EU should be attempting to keep the UK within the fold. It will be a disaster for the EU even it's a bad deal for them. It's almost like no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK, but a bad deal is better than no deal for the EU
