QUICK RUNDOWN FOR WHY DEMOCRATS WERE JUST AS CONFUSED AS FLAKE
Democrats wanted Flake's vote to move forward to be an AMENDED vote. In other words, a vote that turns Yes IF AND ONLY IF an FBI investigation of one week occurred. This way the Democrats would be able to prevent / delay that investigation, or show more women claiming rape that would need investigations etc.
What happened was, Flake just voted yes. Basically, the vote WILL happen in a week, and if the FBI does not find any new evidence indicting Kavanaugh in ONE WEEK AND NO MORE, then he will vote yes. Democrats thought they'd be able to extend said FBI investigation / delay it, but now Mcconnel has full control over the vote and will likely schedule it for today or tomorrow. WHY??????
SCOTUS SESSION BEGINS OCTOBER 1, 2018
McConnell can have the vote tomorrow if he thinks he can turn the votes. He isn't bound by the agreement that the Flake made with the Demonrats. But it's up to McConnell now. They have moved it to the full Senate. Committee has finished their job. They have no more action now other than to encourage their side.
>SCOTUS SESSION BEGINS OCTOBER 1, 2018 Even if they vote tomorrow, is that enough time to meet the deadline? Some have said that there is a "processing" period that must take place as well.
Ethan Perry
Without Flake they almost certainly lose Collins and Murkowski and without them they can't reach a tie for Pence to break.
The plan was already almost certainly to have one of them vote no to save face while the one who drew the short straw votes yes to ensure the confirmation - Flake making himself a no throws a wrench in that plan and gives both of them political cover.
Hudson Butler
The vote was suppose to be tommorow. Flake is making a deal with McConnell to delay the vote one week and conduct an FBI investigation and then he will vote Yes.
In the end, Democrats got what they wanted which is to delay the vote by one week.
Camden Carter
In fact Murkowski just said she supports Flake's proposal, so right now McConnell does not have the votes to confirm.
Noah Hughes
Then KAV IS GO!
Apparently there might be a Dem that votes yes
That deal/delay is not confirmed
Ryan Green
>Demonrats GET OFF MY BOARD YOU CRINGY FUCKING FAGGOTS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Well Flake, Murkowski and Collins supports this deal/delay.
They will vote NO if the demands are not met. McConnell won't have enough votes to confirm him through if the vote are held tomorrow.
Bentley Smith
The FBI gets a referral for these investigations. WITHIN THE HOUR, the FBI could come back and respond just like this:
"The FBI has no jurisdiction on these claims, and even if we did, there is not enough information or evidence to give us the probable cause to seek any warrants. We deem this request to be improper and invalid, and we hereby return the matter to the US Senate having concluded our 'investigation'."
Boom, the FBI requirement is fulfilled… Flake has his "cover" he needs to vote yes… and we can vote on Kavanaugh TOMORROW!
Robert Nelson
Yeah these kids actually believe internal US politics matter. It's all a show controlled by kikes. Both sides have the same masters. I can't believe how absolute shit this board has become that there are unironic republicans on here.
Jason Clark
>Apparently there might be a Dem that votes yes The republicans currently have 51 members in congress. They need at least 50 yes votes for a floor vote to pass with Pence's tiebreaker.
Without Flake and Murkowski they are down to 49. I know of no democratic or independent senator that's said they're voting yes, but even with that if Collins follows Flake and Murkowski (which she likely will) it still wouldn't be enough to confirm.
Flake would look like an impotent fool if he made all this noise about a delay and then Kavanaugh got confirmed without him.
Elijah Foster
And why the fuck would the FBI do that?
Alexander Smith
Rape/Sexual assault is a State matter, not FBI matter. Technically not in their jurisdiction.
Ryder Taylor
Yes, they could do that.
There's absolutely no chance that they will as if that were the case republicans would have called for the investigation themselves, they'll almost certainly take this seriously and do their best to find anything they can in order to present to the senate, but they could do that.
But a special investigation on the behalf of the senate is in their jurisdiction. There is, in fact, precedent specifically for the FBI investigating sexual assault allegations against a supreme court nominee. In 1991.
Elijah Flores
why hasnt the fbi said anything this whole time i dont even understand the powers involved and on tv they fucking suck at actually explaining anything to anyone can trump really just start an investigation on anyone can trump have them subpoena fords emails and phone calls and especially the gang rape woman and then charge them with fake rape claims
Thomas Ramirez
that was actually investigating a federal issue this is investigating a local issue that isnt a crime
Brody Miller
>SCOTUS SESSION BEGINS OCTOBER 1, 2018 explain plz. im brainlet. who is currently scotus?
Joseph Cox
FBI previously declined in this case.
Supreme Court
Joseph Adams
>that was actually investigating a federal issue That's simply not the case. The FBI investigated the allegations on the request of the judiciary committee.
Brody Edwards
>FBI previously declined in this case. That's simply not true. They haven't been asked and couldn't decline if they wanted to.
Jace Rogers
bump Democrats got played, it's all downhill from here
Thomas Morales
Either way Flake is trying to stall out which is exactly what the democrats have been trying to do. Never trust a mormon
Jackson Price
McConnell should call their bluff and schedule the vote tomorrow.
Parker Lopez
Addendum: Mark Judge just flipped if the FBI agrees to question him in private.
Because they already did it twice. Why do they think asking a third time will change anything?
Dylan Turner
That's not how any successful political party operates, and the GOP are nothing if not successful.
The only way McConnell will bring a vote to the floor is if he is absolutely certain the confirmation will go through. No calling of bluffs, though I wouldn't put bribes or blackmail past the turtle.
Isaiah Cook
>they already did it twice Source?
Ryder Russell
in b4 "he had six background checks!"
Aiden Collins
>Yeah these kids actually believe internal US politics matter. You dumb cunt, of course internal politics matters. It's the only politics that matters you fucking substandard sugar syrup. The SCOTUS gives Trump the power to persecute as he pleases. That's why everyone's sperging out. With Kavanugh, SCOTUS is Trump's.
Jace Jones
Thanks for explaining this Korea-bro.
I was well aware of this, but this is only because I engage in these sort of meetings for employment. This was a formal affair, and you are correct. They called a vote, not an amended vote. Once the votes were in, it is now in the hands of the senate. Nothing else can be done by the judiciary committee. They have done their job.
I think they fucked the democrats, and Flake ALMOST flaked out. I am glad that he didn't. Hearing Feinstein's quivering "WHAAAAT?" at the end of it was all we need to know.
Justin Rivera
Manchin has said that he as well supports the FBI investigation. It appears that all the swing votes want the investigation. Judging by this turn of events, I don't see the vote happening until Friday.
Alexander Martinez
user, you might want to double-check your news sources before you celebrate.
Murkowski has already used Flake's proposal as a way to save face with constituents, McConnell doesn't currently have the votes.
Jackson Gutierrez
>if the FBI does not create any new evidence Digits confirm thew will fabricate evidence
Jordan Clark
No you stupid fucking gook, Kavenaugh is fucking toast. Murkowski and Collins have sided with Flake in waiting for an FBI investigation.
Julian Young
Once Murkowski fell in line with Flake it was pretty much just a matter of time before Manchin or Collins did too.
Expect Collins to make a statement soon supporting an investigation.
>its way past Korea's bedtime. I must sleep now to do great maths tomorrow morning. Study hard.
Liam Evans
>In 2007, President George W. Bush nominated Rosenstein to a seat on the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit. Rosenstein was a Maryland resident at the time. Maryland's Democratic United States Senators, Barbara Mikulski and Ben Cardin, blocked Rosenstein's nomination, claiming he did not have strong enough ties to Maryland. web.archive.org/web/20170307131346/http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/14/AR2008041402643.html > Rod J. Rosenstein, the U.S. attorney in Maryland, is unquestionably well qualified. He, too, has earned admirers from both sides of the aisle, including Jo Ann Harris, who was Mr. Rosenstein's boss when she was a top official in the Clinton Justice Department. Mr. Rosenstein's confirmation hearing for a seat on the 4th Circuit is being blocked by Maryland's two Democratic senators, Barbara A. Mikulski and Benjamin L. Cardin. Among other things, they argue that Mr. Rosenstein lacks "roots" in Maryland. That's preposterous: Mr. Rosenstein has worked in the Washington area for about 18 years and has been a resident of Bethesda for 10. More important, he is an excellent and principled lawyer who has all the makings of an excellent and principled judge.
Jaxson Wright
Yes, what about FBI 302's? Are you trying to imply that the only reason the FBI was able to or did investigate Anita's allegations was because they'd been brought up on a department of education interview? Because that's wrong.
Kevin Adams
Aside from it being completely out of their jurisdiction, they are under a lot of pressure with the illegal spying/FISA fraud/and declassification is on the table.
Jeremiah Scott
The FBI is not "out of its jurisdiction" to hold a special investigation at the request of a senate/committee.
Ryder Jones
Do they need Flake's vote? If so, then they won't vote for a week, as he wants.
Joshua Lee
As someone who lives in Alaska Murkowski is hated, even the natives are turning on her.
Grayson Sanchez
an investigation based on the recovered memories of a lefty professor with no clear timelines and no witnesses right before scotus nominations, information held back by dems as a nuke to stall or even disrupt the vote?
an investigation for that?
Joseph Harris
>What happened was, Flake just voted yes. wtf are you talking about... no, no he didn't. Thats what this furor is all about, its the reason tens of millions are feeling pure rage directed towards this despicable cunt right now. Flake may single-handedly destroy the path towards proper swamp draining, and set a dangerous precedent we may never recover from
Nicholas Brown
Even so, they have literally no leads to follow. No one present at the so-called events "can recall" or even acknowledges that the others were in attendance besides the accuser...who also doesn't recall the time or place. What are they even going to investigate? The FBI will lose the last shred of credibility they have left if they take this seriously...especially after clearing him with 6 extensive background checks before.
Caleb Peterson
Yes, an investigation for that.
If the allegations are indeed baseless the report will come back with nothing to corroborate the allegations and republicans will have a huge win on their hands.
Asher Price
>Even so, they have literally no leads to follow Then this should turn out great for the republicans, why are you complaining?
Oliver Campbell
Yeah, pretty much. Good insight.
Jaxson Lee
Because we want that SCOTUS majority now.
Brody Reyes
what if more ..."allegations" come in the week?
Anthony Peterson
As opposed to a week from now? There's literally no difference.
Brody Richardson
It doesnt matter, the session can start without him and when he’s confirmed he’ll just join the supreme court at that date. The only thing is he might not be a part of every case depending on when he joins, but when the session starts and when he seats the bench are two entirely unrelated things
Christian Johnson
he voted yes in committee, which moved the vote to the senate
Hudson Moore
>If >If >If >If they already had a huge win on their hands this is intentionally fumbling on the goal line
Then Republicans can honestly say that due diligence has been done and chasing further allegations are a waste of time. Kavanaugh is already out of committee - if Flake and Murkowski and Collins and Manchin are all given the slightest bit of political cover (which a week of FBI investigation would provide) the confirmation is assured and before the midterms to boot.
Andrew Gomez
Manchin is likely to vote aye, he supports Kav for SCOTUS.
Luis Cooper
I can assure you they will have more cause one can easily say one thing and not prove it and have it believed. More investigations..more hearings...we will be back to square one.
Noah Hall
The Dem’s asked the FBI to reopen, they refused based on numerous reasons.
Chase Reyes
Manchin already said he supports Flake's proposal. The only vote up in the air at this point is Collins and without the other three she can't push a tie.
Nolan Jackson
>the dems asked the FBI to reopen They didn't, because they literally can't. That's not a thing. >The FBI refused That's not a thing either.
Isaiah Rodriguez
They refused and stated that they will reopen this only if requested by WH. Refused on basis of no fucking jurisdiction. The fuck have you been?
Lucas Wood
Of 2 federal employees, working in a federal building and thus FBI had a jurisdiction. Stop responding if you know nothing of the facts.
Gavin Hill
I demand that NASA does a full investigation.
Chase Walker
That was part of the numerous reasons, they went the unofficial way and asked to reopen. They talked about it during the hearing. They concluded their investigation on Kav was over and only the WH can order to reopen. They could have filed criminal charges against Kav but choose not to.
Easton Harris
It doesn’t matter who supports the week long investigation. None of them want to vote no after yesterday: it’s a death sentence for re-election. McConnell will make them prove it with a floor vote, if they want to deny Kav, Trump will just appoint the even further right woman judge, they’ll get her passed before a new house or senate sits, and the voters will deal with the RINO faggots. There’s no way Trump loses in this equation.
Jeremiah Myers
This. Manchin needs to play to his base after the asswhuppin his constituents gave Hillary. That’s a white state and they won’t stand for a while male being falsely run out of town on a rail
Colton Bell
>They refused and stated that they will reopen this only if requested by WH They can't refuse and the democrats can't ask. The allegations would be a state offense and not a federal offense, which means the only way an investigation could be done at all is if they are asked to investigate by the white house. You are drastically mischaracterizing the charter of the FBI.
That has absolutely nothing to do with why they investigated Anita Hill's allegations. They were asked to do so by the white house at the request of the committee.
I can only assume you're thinking of the background checks, which have nothing to do with the white house asking for an investigation into allegations of sexual harassment.
>their investigation was over There hasn't been an investigation.
Julian Martin
>FBI >due diligence Hahahahahahahahaha, oh sweet user..you can only pick one
Jayden Martin
M--... Megs?
Brody Cox
No they couldn't you fucking idiot. It was court it was his job interview for supreme court. You cant charge someone in that setting.
Isaiah Diaz
That’s literally what happened. Some Dem’s asked the FBI to reopen, they said ”No, it’s not ours to investigate unless the WH orders us to”.
Fors could have made a report to the police, which would have been the right order, but she choose not to.
I don’t really see what’s so hard to understand.
Jack Butler
>democraps whine and cry about a bullshit fbi investigation >get it >republicans demand fbi investigations into hardcore corruption >get laughed at yeah, didn't see this one coming a mile away.
Andrew Stewart
Forget the FBI background checks, he's had the Clintons on his ass looking for dirt. If they couldn't find/plant it, then can anyone???
Ayden Turner
You obviously take the charges to the police, fucking mongo.
David Roberts
>They could have filed criminal charges against Kav but choose not to.
Its always the last line
Hunter Brooks
there's a huge difference. october 1st is when the next session of SCOTUS begins; sanctuary cities from what i've heard
Evan Hughes
She didnt want that. She didn't even want to be there or her identity to get leaked, which is what the dems did. Only reason she came forward was her name was brought up and the media started stalking her, plus to save face and make it look like shes not lieing, which she is.
Luke Perez
Did you even watch the hearing idiot? See this
Adam Evans
As in Ford could have taken her allegations to the cops, it’s what you do when you claim someone assaulted you. Instead she choose the media and the Dems.
>some dems asked the FBI to reopen Again: that's not a thing. Random senators cannot ask the FBI to open or reopen an investigation. The white house as a whole can.
>they said no The FBI cannot refuse an order from the white house to invesigate and provide a report.
The only truth in your post is that a CRIMINAL charge would be on the state level and would not be handled by a federal bureau.
As others have pointed out, claiming she should have gone to state police over this is a non-starter.
Levi Robinson
it has everything to do with why the FBI investigated the claims. They would have investigated the claims against Kavanaugh if they could, seeing as how it passed their desk twice already.
The fact is that there is no criminal complaints filed against Kavanaugh, so what exactly are they going to investigate? a local crime? only if Maryland agrees to let them handle it, which would be very odd since Maryland doesn't have any criminal complaints against Kavanaugh either. the best the fbi can do is write up a report based on public statements. There is no reason to even interview anyone considering no crime has been alleged.
I suspect that Ford's lawyers are going to file a criminal complaint early next week. but then that would take it out of the hands of the FBI. So then the next goal post becomes, "the fbi has to wait until Maryland gets done investigating." Which will be exactly never since they won't ever close the case. they'll just file it away. that could take years to even get it filed away. So you see what's really going on here.
Easton Wright
What? If you accuse someone of a crime you bring it to the cops. Not political opponents and the media and then demand a FBI investigation when you don’t even have the legal grounds for one.
You don’t understand the underlying issue at hand.
She didn’t report it to the police. She’s accusing a man of a crime yet didn’t report it.
Anthony Foster
We do, shes an attention whore who just bought the dems 7 more days to find more girls to say he raped them now.
Easton Taylor
>As others have pointed out, claiming she should have gone to state police over this is a non-starter.
Taking it to the police is the ONLY way this should have been handled. Sorry if that crumbles your world view.
Tyler Price
99% of her supporters want believe the investigation was thorough enough, and still believe her.
If the investigation lasted a year and cost millions, you'd get that number down o around 70%, and that's counting the people who would forget they cared a year ago and became indifferent to an old issue.
