Jow Forums is the F-35 a POS ?

yea i knew the russians do good planes but apparently its not as stealthy as the f-35.

Apparently the cross radar section is minimal from pretty much all angles, whereas the su-57 has stealth, but has a bigger radarc ross section

(again i dont know shit about planes, thats just from reading the internet)

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What is that in real hours? 150,000 hours break down to about how much per jet? Just curious.

china always provides a cheaper alternative

*unmanned speed*

this. sukhois-57 and maybe china's j-20

It's hard to tell if it's a scam or if shills think it's the best thing ever and are trying to kill it by saying it's a scam.

yes, huge government welfare project for lockheed martin, voted on because they promised jobs in a bunch of states.
fuck you government contractors, you are a bunch of leaches

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I don't think anyone has access to that data, some jets have less than 100hrs on their air frames while others may have 500+ just due to when they're built. Not exactly sure what the average would be.

thank you based russia for giving the world an alternative to ZOG

The F-35 is like some shitty mid-range Mercedes E-class the (((dealer))) optioned out so it's $30k over msrp

If you think you're redpilled and believe the us military is here to protect the US population you are fucking stupid.

The mercedes + added options may be shitty but at the end of the day it does work and although it may be expensive it is a car that works instead of a tax payer funded piece of shit

It's complicated.
Stealth planes aren't completely invisible to radar, it's just that the detection/identification range is more limited and it'll be more difficult to get a good lock on it. It can help if there are multiple types of radars working together too.
The F-35 operators know all of this and they try to plan their missions in such a way that it probably won't be detected, or that they won't be able to act on it once it is detected.
The US has a new suite of "smart" missiles now that complement stealth planes and they should be able to overwhelm any air defense systems pretty easily.

thx

I work on the software for the F35 via a 3rd party contractor. Ask away anons.

Thoughts on Ada?

what's life like in china?

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If they had stuck with Ada these problems wouldn't be happening or at least a lot rarer. They switched to C/++ mostly because they couldn't find new developers that knew Ada. C/++ has tons of undefined behavior which is one of the reasons for these issues.

>Ignores flag.
Honestly don't know about chinks working on it. A few dudes are but it's not an out sourcing situation at least from my perspective.

any ideas how those smart missiles do their job ?

Also, is the f-22 better than the f-35 ?

i read the f-22 is stealthy too, and probably cheaper too

A good programmer can EASILY learn Ada in a few weeks. What the fuck is the DoD's problem? If someone cannot easily learn Ada they have absolutely no business programming in C++ either.

The F22 is a very good stealth fighter, they're not for sale for other countries though

ah ok.
interesting to know that the f-22 is not for sale abroad. (not even nato members ?)

And your solution to a missile flying 6,500 mph is to outrun it? Are you retarded?

Japan is getting to get them kraut, sorry ... Kinda lel!

Who did your human factors work? Usability testing, task analysis, that sort of stuff? Or did it crash because software engineers like you are fucked in the head and collectively insist that they can do all the HCI stuff by themselves. Fuckbrain.

Agreed 100% user. However, the DoD is military boomers with no idea how tech works wanting to into cyber. Then the business men cut corners without understanding the consequences.

ok, Chang

Correct. The US wants to keep it's ace card for itself. The F35 is less stealthy and tries to be everything at once, which is a bad way to tackle a problem. The modern russian jets are less stealthy than both F22 and F35, but more maneuverable due to 3d vectoring etc. Modern air combat is mainly done via missles nowadays but until a clash between high tech nations happens nobody can say for sure if dogfighting is really dead. Jamming might be a factor.

Good for the nips, didn't know that.

I work cleaning up other software engineer's mistakes. The problem from my perspective is old aerospace engineers who know nothing about software or hardware making decisions due to seniority. Then the senior software engineers who are also old as fuck don't know C/++ well enough to not screw everything.

>any ideas how those smart missiles do their job ?
They have a bunch of them. Some are decoys that can mimic other planes. Some are designed to track and destroy enemy radars. Others are the main attackers. I don't know the details, I know they tested some of them during the Syria attacks though.
And I think they're planning on selling them (or are already selling them). This is a huge problem with Russia, why is trying to sell their defense systems. Syria acted as a sort of demonstration site for both sides and sales are on the line. Pretty fucked up when you think about it.
>Also, is the f-22 better than the f-35 ?
The avionics is older. But it still beats the F-35 for air superiority. And it is stealthier.
It might have been better if they had stuck with it and modernized it instead. The main selling point of the F-35 was that it was supposed to be cheaper. But they fucked that one up bigly. Also the F-35 is a joint project and more exportable, so it was supposed to rake in money. The F-22 has too many secrets to export supposedly.
>i read the f-22 is stealthy too, and probably cheaper too
The F-35 is cheaper to maintain apparently.

>muh untrained pilots
but that's a very valid excuse
all those lost planes were flown by gooks, syrians and egshitians
russkies gave the planes for free, gave the pilots a shitty 6 month training in moscow after which they went home and probably never flew again
meanwhile the american planes were flown by americans and jews with uncomparably better training

are traps gay?

Su 57 built: 10 (all prototypes)
F 35 built: 300+

The one in the picture caught fire on the ground.

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A few months ago they were talking about a F-22/F-35 hybrid. It could be pretty awesome.

inafter!

Yes

so basically a downgraded F-22

>Reminder

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nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/only-thing-might-kill-new-f-22-fighter-japan-30342
That'll teach being right to pay for your own defense, you will not be allowed nothing else but to by f-35.

F-22’s for life

They said it would be the F-22 airframe with the F-35's avionics.
Which sounds ideal.
It might still be missing some of the super duper secrets of the F-22 though. But supposedly no one needs those yet. They made the F-22 to fight an enemy that doesn't exist.

Are you implying Lockheed is Jewish?

how's avro doing

Is Suhkoi losing its touch?
How can they make a massively successful aircraft like the SU-27 (and other Flankers) and then fail with the SU-57 so hard?

It's not really their fault, Russians just have no monies

The F-35 is perfect... moneymaker for the DOD contractors.

not a slav
also
>Two F-15Es were lost to ground fire
> According to the Saudis, one F-15C was lost to a crash during the Gulf War in 1991.[72] The IRAF claims this fighter was part of two F-15Cs that engaged two Iraqi MiG-25PDs, and was hit by an R-40 missile before crashing.
>F-15 Eagle United States air superiority F-15C 61[11] one lost in Yemen
uh-oh

SUPER AVRO SOON
We're buying surplus F-18s from Australia for now, but right after that we're making our own.
Except that probably won't happen and we'll buy planes from somewhere else just to spite Drumpf.

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WHY CAN'T WE MAKE THIS

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it could stand to lose a few pounds tbqh

It literally is. Middle eastern pilots dont fucking train. They can hardly handle the aircraft their given.
Notice that gooks flying the same machines were able to win (vietnam, china) or at the very least stalemate (NK)
Not to mention that the weapons that the soviet union sold to the arabs were intentionally subpar due to their legendary incompetence.
The saudis went so far as to send back migs because the soviets just wouldnt give them the advanced avionics and radar systems that they had.
Youd be an idiot to give top of the line weapons to an arab state. Theyd sell samples off to the highest bidder the second their stinky hands acquire it.

Yeah and f117's in competent hands.

Selling off demilitarized flankers as surplus to the civilian market to raise funds when?

If its so good why was production stopped in 2012?

As he said, because its not for sale. Its financially not viable for starters, especially under the greedy hands of our military industrial complex.
The fact that it cant be made for export is what really dicked it. Skipping a generation was a mistake.

Because they thought it was too expensive to build and maintain and too expensive to upgrade, so they made something even more expensive to replace it because it's what the defense industry does.

Because it's not needed at the moment. A lot of those investments started during the Cold War. But you don't need F-22s in Afghanistan, in Syria, in Crimea, etc.

That things pretty sexy. Brits also recently came out with their own sexier f35.

>another one just crashed.
was John McCain flying?

>your solution to a missile flying 6,500 mph is to outrun it?
Not outrun the radar, but the interceptors. Are you retarded?

>in crimea
Thats exactly where you would need one. Were not at war in crimea.
Syria however might need them after they get their shit back together and daddy russia gives them the new mig 35's

Build numbers are largely a result of differing approaches to recruitment. The sov's design, build and test a huge number of weapon systems and ensure they can be put into serial production if required. The yanks order several million to keep the corporate welfare going, never use most of what they order, and shitload gets scrapped 20 years later having never been used.

is the su 35 better or worse?
also are russians actually a threat?

*procurement not recruitment, doy.

yeah well no wonder you lost that one, you went against a hung aryan :^)
him and the pilot make a pretty good Chad - virgin pair, pic related

i don't claim to understand all of it but the wiki article makes it sound he made it his life goal to down a stealth jet
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoltán_Dani

fake and gay

didn't the ukies do that already?

forgot pic

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Russian AA is by FAR the best in the world. The second best doesn't even come close.

Russian planes are shit. The new Russian 5th gen plane doesn't even have working engines. F-35 is costly but it would wipe the floor with anything the slavshits and chinks could throw at it.

Russians have never been very good at jet turbine for some reason and have always stolen & copied designs in the past. It's strange as they are very good at solid & liquid fueled rocketry.

on a sidenote, I have read that france and germany are planning to build a stealth fighter too (but its just in the news that i saw this, nowhere near production now, but could be interesting in the future)

yfw that was the plan all along
to sell some hyped up flying trash heap and sell it to the world

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