Anyone else on the fence about the choice between Individualism and National Socialism?
Would you rather live in 1950's America or Pre-war Nazi Germany?
Anyone else on the fence about the choice between Individualism and National Socialism?
Thomas Cooper
Owen Butler
Fuck off socialists.
Noah Butler
FUCK OFF COMMIE
John Ortiz
The problem with natsoc is the soc.
And the nat isn't very good either unless you're nat about the United States.
Levi Butler
somewhere in between. 1950s America was fantastic but it also led to this. We need measures to prevent that degradation from happening again
Wyatt Smith
>nat
>United States
HAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA you've made my day mutt
Kayden Campbell
meant for
Michael Clark
Nope. The end result of 1950's American individualism was 2010's American degeneracy and multiculturalism.
National Socialism is the clear choice.
Lincoln Brooks
Nationalist Individualism
Encourage people to enjoy their freedoms in a way productive to society.
Colton Richardson
>being this much of an emotionally piloted goy
Colton Murphy
National Socialism was top tier corporatist ball sucking with hints of racism and blindness towards the loyalty or correctness of individuals written off as public enemies.
Luis Clark
National Socialism is NT Marxist socialism.
>socialism (marxism) = workers own the means of production
That was NEVER a policy or a goal of Nazi Germany.
>inb4 hurrr durr socialism is in the name! IT must be socialism!
Does "social justice" = justice?
Is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) = democratic?
Nicholas Moore
>National Socialism is the clear choice.
Kayden Sanders
This
Luis Flores
>corporatist
you don't even know what that word means
Corporations in Nazi Germany were well-regulated AND they required to have a Party member sit on their board to ensure they weren't exploiting the citizenry. Nazi Germany reigned in the corporations, it did not serve them (like our current "individualistic" government does).
>hints of racism
racism is natural, normal and healthy
>blindness towards loyalty or correctness of individuals written off as public enemies.
Wrong again. (pic related)
Eli Bailey
>be jew
>in treblinka
>oy vey the goyum got me
>one day SS rotenfurher opens the dor of my room at 6 am
>mfw its over
>put on a train
>seems weird, that they wont do it here but ok
>hey, jew, you were trying to cross the goyum
>walked right into the SS ambush
>same as (((us))) and that fag over there
>mfw train cart is drawn by horses
>mfw am in skyrim
>oy vey Todd
Wyatt Hall
That's just nationalism lad.
People weren't assigned "birth-jobs" or w/e in Nazi Germany, they were free to do exactly as you said: enjoy their freedoms in a way productive to society.
Nicholas Brown
That quote references an idea of shared land ownership, which is socialism. The society laid out was collectivist as opposed to individualist. It focused on Aryan group identity. Individualism focuses on the individual as opposed to the group. Therefore, national socialism is opposed to individualism.
Camden Collins
>humanity was a mitake
>because the end result was this degeneracy and multiculturalism
>just wipe out humanity and we start again as dolphins they sure aren't degenerates
Absolute state if dolphin burgers.
Gavin Garcia
1950s isn't far back enough I want 1840s america back
Jordan Reed
>That quote references an idea of shared land ownership, which is socialism.
No it fucking isn't. Socialism is collective ownership of (all) the means of production. Socialism is NOT collective ownership of "some lands". The US federal government owns tons of land, is the US socialist?? Of course not you memeflag retard.
>Therefore, national socialism is opposed to individualism.
It is opposed to rampant, unchecked individualism being the sole priority of society. National socialism did not strip the individual of identity, it put their priorities in order. The whole health of a society is worth more than one persons desires.
That is how society works, each person is willing to give up something for the town to work, each town willing to give up something for the state to operate, each state willing to give up something for the nation to succeed. Rampant individualism is anti-society.
Owen Reed
What the fuck are you on about?
If I complain about the results of the American experiment I must want to wipe out humanity? Dumb post.
Jeremiah Turner
How can you be on the fence between two extreme positions?
Joshua Brown
>Corporations in Nazi Germany were well-regulated AND they required to have a Party member sit on their board to ensure they weren't exploiting the citizenry
This seems like the average reward for corrupt politicians after their mandates end.
>muh natsoc escapes from corruption because yes
>muh natsoc escapes economical entrophy because govern intervention because yes.
Could you explain how natsoc could last more than the hype that every new political movement have?
Lincoln Jenkins
It makes a lot of sense actually, given enough redpills most politically aware whites will fall into one camp or the other. Lolbergism/Anarcho Capitalism is a common pit-stop on the way to nationalism.
Ian Hughes
In USSR 1942 and kick nazi asses with explosives connected to building light switches and finish with my ppsh and laugh at them being beaten by undermensch.
Parker Edwards
1950s America, any day.
I'm not a fan of economically depressed police states.
Isaiah Hill
By that standard the end result of national socialism was the importation of millions of muslims.
Aaron Evans
>Would you rather live in 1950's America or Pre-war Nazi Germany?
Peterson would reject both, as would any modern "Individualist"
Jack Harris
>Would you rather live in 1950's America
It will eventually turn into 2010s America again if its population will keep to sort of mindset Peterstein promotes.
Isaac Sanders
FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING NAZI KIKES
ONLY KIKES NAZI POST
ONLY KIKES NATSOC POST
ONLY KIKES HITLER POST
HITLER = 500,000,000 MISSING WHITES
KIKES WON WW2
KIKE SHILLS ARE DESPERATE FOR YOU TO ADOPT THE NATSOC / NAZI TERM FOR YOURSELF
YOU MORONS
MODS, I FUCKING TOLD YOU TO BAN THE FUCKING TEL AVIV NIGGER KIKES
IF YOU NIGGERING FUCKING ADMINS KNEW HOW TO SESSION MANAGE YOU COULD SNIFF OUT THE CLONES AND REMOVE THEM / SHADOWBAN THE FUCKING SHILLS
Samuel Green
> but why?
because there's more fucking shills than users now.
Nathan Cruz
Why are you blaming the degeneration of the 2010 to the 1950s?
It is the same as blaming the degeneration of current Germany on the natsoc era, nonsense.
The fault of the current degeneration is the own countries and their citizens to stop living as they lived in the 50s and degenerate.
Josiah Cox
in the "what is happening" stage now, wish me luck.
Nathaniel Davis
>This seems like the average reward for corrupt politicians after their mandates end.
This seems like the brainlet opinion of someone who doesn't know any of the details of this system.
>muh natsoc escapes from corruption because yes
"Corruption" was severely punished by law and as we've stated numerous times the prime state goals of Nazi Germany were to unify the citizenry. A side effect of constant unity propaganda made corruption feel more morally wrong to the German people. Most Americans feel no qualms being corrupt because we share virtually nothing with each other so stealing from random fucks who aren't even of the same race/religion/mindset as you isn't really difficult. The only thing that prevents corruption is the law, and the law is notoriously weak here.
>muh natsoc escapes economical entrophy because govern intervention because yes.
They escaped economical entropy because they weren't dependent on PRIVATE INTERNATIONAL BANKERS for their currency supply like we are. Do you think this service is done for you freely?
They did not "intervene" in every single exchange/business like the commies did. They nationalized the bank, certain key sectors of industry for the war effort, and in peacetime they clamped down on industries and corporations that were being exploitative.
>Could you explain how natsoc could last more than the hype that every new political movement have?
They were doing fine until the entire world teamed up against them. Spain (which was fascist but stayed out of the war) existed for decades. You came into this argument with a false, proof-less assumption that it MUST fail because......reasons. Could YOU explain exactly how & why it would have failed?
Benjamin Ward
Nathaniel Gutierrez
>Nazis are not corrupt because reasons
HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Oliver Nelson
No. National socialism was forcibly removed and an American puppet government "individualist" was established. The importation of millions of muslims was a result of THIS government.
You're being deliberately dishonest.
Cameron Myers
In a perfect world, where governments did not become corrupt and politicians weren't power hungry, natsoc would be the best way. However, in reality that doesn't work and the only way authority is not abused is through individualism
Caleb Perry
Good luck brother. Have some propaganda/feels on me:
Lincoln Wilson
Neither, I choose right now to fight modern socialists/Marxist/communists while our civilization is destroyed.
Juan Sullivan
>Why are you blaming the degeneration of the 2010 to the 1950s? It is the same as blaming the degeneration of current Germany on the natsoc era, nonsense.
No it isn't. The American government of the 50's was not forcibly destroyed and replaced by another world power and occupied to this day. That DID happen to Nazi Germany.
The American government of the 50's naturally (without outside force) evolved into what it is today).
You are being deliberately dishonest.
James Murphy
Schizo please stop.
Brayden James
>The only thing that prevents corruption is the law
Are you serious?? you have never lived in a serious corrupt country that's for sure, as law is the weakest tool to fight corruption because the ones who make the law are to one to be regulated by them... this is common sense.
>A side effect of constant unity propaganda made corruption feel more morally wrong to the German people
That's a good point yet the ones making the propaganda are immune to it (the govern) the result is more or less the same than fighting corruption with the law in terms of politicians.
>Could YOU explain exactly how & why it would have failed?
same shit as explaining why god doesn't exist...you are the one affirming it will last if proven again not me.
Carter Lopez
see:
Samuel Davis
>I'm a total retard
good for you, now fuck off
Caleb Fisher
>neoliberals are marxists XD
Matthew Gray
This. So very this. Wakeup, they seek neat for ww3
Christian Sullivan
seek meat*
Cooper Gonzalez
>No corruption because is punished
Who punishes the punisher?
Its like saying NK haves no corruption because they are punished with death
Josiah King
where does this problem even come from? is the conflict between general individualism and muh statism planted in our heads by the likes of JBP in our current society? the only KIND of individualism that third position ideologies like fascism and natsoc restrict is always like gay marriage, drug abuse, marital infidelity, the "rights" of corporations to monopolize, censor whoever they want, sell off manufacturing to foreign countries, promote gay pride and the importation of immigrants as slave labor, and so on. individualism is good and western but some objectively bad things use the guise of individualism like a trojan horse.
hitler was a capitalist. the natsoc government privatized most industries. goebbels attacked restrictive moral policing and defended freedom of choice in the public sphere:
research.calvin.edu
Jordan Cox
(((Third position)))
Do you rotate meme satanic ideologies in and out of fashion?
Liam Barnes
Chase Lopez
>law and corruption
I was speaking SPECIFICALLY about the United States in that sentence mate. We have no safeguards against corruption other than the law.
>the law is the weakest tool to fight corruption
That depends on the country and the law. You're arguing in circles here. If my country punished all corrupt politicians with the death penalty the law would not be a weak tool. If you operated like America (where corrupt politicians are given a slap on the wrist) then yes the law will be weak. The law can be weak or strong.
>t the ones making the propaganda are immune to it (the govern)
No they aren't, and even IF they were (for some reason that you haven't explained??) as time goes on the new generations that replace the government will NOT have been immune to it.
>same shit as explaining why god doesn't exist..
lol no
>you are the one affirming it will last if proven again not me.
No, YOU are the one who has made a claim with no proof! You said that it will collapse. I said no and gave an example of Fascism not collapsing after decades and you hand-waved it.
Leo Brooks
if natsoc was socialist then the UK and the US in the 30s and 40s were even more socialist.
t. hoppe himself:
mises.org
Brody Jones
That's not what I said commie, not sure where you're getting that.
Marxist ARE still retarded though.
Anthony Brooks
Is he going to a psychiatric ward for wrongthink?
Adrian Robinson
>shithole country giving lectures about corruption
checked and keked
Charles Gray
>hurr durr it says socialism
fucking retard
Camden Richardson
>le Day-ohhs VAULT
>muh Nat Soc is socialism
kill yourselves
Dylan Morris
>Who punishes the punisher?
That's a problem of EVERY system. The best system is the one that minimizes corruption, there is no system that can totally eliminate it.
Nazi Germany had strict laws against it & a close kinship of the populace. Certainly a much better defense against corruption than what we have today.
Jayden Jones
>all I see is that there were people who really cared about their country and fought back to make germany great again.
>but once they age and need to retire or die their ideology will just die with them as the next generations will be people who never lived the misfortunes of poverty, will be spoiled and degenerate into corruption.
>this happened with every revolution ever made, socialism can be good the first years then it degenerates very fast.
And that's all I see in natsoc a hype train not a long term ideology.
Gabriel Nguyen
he's right. 1950s america was 6-15 years away from the civil rights act and the repealment of the national origins formula. that decade was the birthplace of cuckservatism, the credo of the party for "race-blind" white people that only eternally incrementally cedes ground to liberals, who are just more extreme individualists.
Caleb Robinson
My country is certainly less corrupt than yours you pasta nigger
Brandon Sanchez
>a country that is more corrupt than shithole Bolivia counterattacking
kekekek
Asher Long
I'd rather live on Mars with not a nigger nor a Jew in sight.
Cooper Young
You have conveniently forgot to mention the decades of brainwashing, propaganda and cultural reconstruction that was required to take place for the german people to TEMPORARILY lose their spirit.
And even now, the fire still burns in the hearts of my brothers and sisters to the east.
The torch of civilization requires not your authoritarianism and your metaphysical failures. It requires a love for your people and the courage to SAY and DO what's RIGHT.
Luis Bennett
>meme flag
>meme opinion
>third position is jewish because i said so
lol no
>the Haavara (transfer) agreement
The Zionists wanted Jews to move to Palestine (which was gifted to them by the UK. Hitler wanted the Jews out of Germany (until 1939 when he began sending them to WORK camps). Their interests temporarily aligned from '33-'39.
This DOES NOT make Hitler a zionist, and only a clueless retard who takes pngs at face value would think that it does. If the American Jews all decided to leave the US tomorrow, would you stop them and make them stay here for fear that they might go to Israel??
I'd help them fucking pack.
>Is he going to a psychiatric ward for wrongthink?
I hope he goes to a psych ward for help. He is clearly not mentally-healthy with that caps lock incoherent rambling. I've seen him in other threads too doing the same shit.
William King
But we do it professionally
Austin Sullivan
Is obvious that propaganda is brainwash be it for good things or bad things and the ones making it know and acknowledge that because they know how the human brain works and they know inside we are just biological computers with IF scenario then THIS action.
Benjamin Long
individualism is luciferianism
Xavier Bailey
1950s America was the comfiest time and place in human history from what I gather
Cooper Allen
at the end you see the people eating the propaganda as sheeps and inferior even if they are your own race.
Justin Sanders
>their ideology will die with them
>this doesn't happen in western capitalism tho because reasons
All I can see is somebody who has their mind made up and is unwilling to change it despite evidence to the contrary.
John Nguyen
Individualism offers nothing that Nationalism does not already have. Nationalism recognizes the value of the individual, the family, community and nation. Individualism only recognizes one, it therefore fails to preserve all other necessary pillars of society.
Adrian Garcia
Parker Flores
>You have conveniently forgot to mention the decades of brainwashing, propaganda and cultural reconstruction that was required to take place for the german people to TEMPORARILY lose their spirit.
It just never came up in the discussion, of course I agree that this happened.
>The torch of civilization requires not your authoritarianism and your metaphysical failures. It requires a love for your people and the courage to SAY and DO what's RIGHT.
Let me know when that happens, I'm eagerly awaiting it too.
Isaac Richardson
This is true.
Aaron Peterson
I'd like to be an individualist in a mono-cultural mono-racial society.
Isaac Walker
individualism is great, when everyone around you is the same race you are
otherwise the npcs just vote according to their skin and gender
Jace Murphy
Look how quickly these replies with the same concept came in
Fucking kikes are dumping black pills thinking it's going to matter lol
Ayden Lewis
You need at least 50 years of NatSoc society before you can build up the decadence enough to have another 1950s type society.
Isaac Bell
...
Landon Harris
Propaganda has never not existed, you act as though only Nazi Germany practiced it. Your criticisms of it are without merit and also irrelevant.
Adrian Perry
National Socialism sounds great in theory of course but there is no way in hell that the system would not stagnate and become corrupt.
Jeremiah Allen
No, its obvious that you're worthless as a human being until you find yourself via individualism
>but muh degenerate left
what they are practicing is not individualism, its a debased form of collectivism
Kayden Torres
>Individualism only recognizes one
exactly
Ethan Gonzalez
>say 1950 way of living degenerated in 2010 one
>prove yourself you are wrong
Ok.
Benjamin Stewart
>1950s america was individualist
Daniel Myers
please direct me to this uncorruptable superior system that you have in mind, nigel
Zachary Johnson
>become corrupt
You talk about corruption like it is an on/off condition. Corruption has always existed and will always exist. A nation that put unity on a pedestal and harshly punished criminals (fascist) is fairly certain to always be less corrupt than one that does not (ie. capitalism in the West).
Wyatt Howard
>individiualism is bad
Charles Brooks
Having a small government so the corruption can be dealt with more easily by the citizens, i,e
firstly with libertarian/minarchist policies and
secondly with small sized states with low population/land size
Dominic Baker
Did he really say that? It makes me think all those people throwing around the Mason accusations are correct. Well he defiantly does not believe in god then if he is going to bring out the subjective morality garbage.
He should reread Jung, and then some Evola because obviously Jung was not enough for this idiot.
Ryan Gray
No... While NatSoc is a great system IN A HOMOGENOUS (racial and general Religious) CULTURE/REGION...
It is no longer viable... Thanks to technology and the damage already done by lax imigration and liberal hippy policies.
If you think for a moment, that genociding all people in the USA or EU that are not "White/Christian" is a viable plan... You're a fucking fool.
NatSoc requires the 98% homogeneic social structure that Hitler and crew had in 1930s Germany to make it work the way it did.
It's not applicable nowadays.
Ayden Powell
>not acknowledging the eternal cycle
>believing that his ideology can surpass this cycle despite no one ever has done in the history.
Thomas James
>1950s Middle America way of life blended with 1938 German antisemitism.
Solved
Lucas King
I literally have no idea what you are trying to say here. Let me break it down slowly for you again since you seem to not be getting this.
My point with 1950's America leading to today is completely sound. The American government has never been conquered or overthrown since then so all of the developments from that time are NATURAL.
Nazi Germany was forcibly overthrown, therefore to say that national socialism leads to [insert current condition of Germany] is wrong. National socialism was destroyed and wholly replaced (denazification), the modern conditions of Germany are the result of neoliberal capitalism.
Andrew Reed
1950s America
>no abortion (Roe Vs. wade 1970s)
>no muslims
>No SJW
>Blacks knew their place and not to race mix
>the government was small but was there
This is literally fucking heaven, who would want anything else?
Nathan Baker
I miss Nat Soc General threads, and all their inspirational pictures
Where did /NSG/ user go? :(